Isn't a chunk of that ram used for running the home menu in the background at all times? Maybe the issue with 3DS isn't that it *CANT* do the transformation characters, but that since the WII U has more ram, it doesn't have to load them mid-fight, so the 3DS is SLOWER by comparison, and therefore the balance is off/different. Maybe he wanted to make transformation actually usable this time (being able to combo a sheik smash attack / zelda din's fire would be nice), but because of the 3DS having to still load from the cart, he can't do it.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Isn't a chunk of that ram used for running the home menu in the background at all times? Maybe the issue with 3DS isn't that it *CANT* do the transformation characters, but that since the WII U has more ram, it doesn't have to load them mid-fight, so the 3DS is SLOWER by comparison, and therefore the balance is off/different. Maybe he wanted to make transformation actually usable this time (being able to combo a sheik smash attack / zelda din's fire would be nice), but because of the 3DS having to still load from the cart, he can't do it.
Doesn't battle Trozei come out in the US and EU this month as well? I could see Pokemon Trainer being revealed.
Roy was pretty interesting in Project M with his attacks having fire properties, though I agree with you on the other points except his game sucking. I enjoyed it, he's still an awful unit though.
What I don't understand is that both Ike and Roy had ranged attacks in their respective games but that isn't incorporated in either Brawl or Melee. Thought it was odd that it was missing.
DisconnectD
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Ike would not be quite painless considering he is a great character with a unique moveset, intelligent systems loves him and suggested him and he has the 2nd most prevelant appearances as a Lord in Fire Emblem.
What the hell, people?
Same with freaking R.O.B. & G&W. Why do these same important and indispensable characters keep coming up time and time again. They won't be cut. Jigglypuff Snake are the only characters I could see POSSIBLY being cut with snake being so for obvious reasons and Jiggs last minute, because she was added torwards the end of Brawl & sakurai obviously made her the joke character for that game but even then.. DOUBT IT.
I think Mewtwo will be in the game and has nothing to do with Lucario.
The 3DS game can just stream it from the cart or whatever Brawl did. Brawl would stream stuff from the disc, that is why the transformation times would vary from time to time.
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Same here, but add Ike to the pile
I actually agree. In Brawl it just annoyed me that another Pokemon got in over it, and Lucario seemed like a good target for blame since they shared the same neutral special.
RomanceDawn
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Exotoro
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ROB better not be cut
Point taken. I thought about it after the other post pointed out my hypocrisy, and I can't actually think of any other moves they share aside from Shadow Ball (or Aura Sphere, whatever it's called at any given time). So yeah, I definitely made a misstep there.You sir or ma'am are a villain and a knave!
Lucario has MUCH less in common with Mewtwo than Fox does with Falco and Wolf. Either way they all should stay!
Can't wait for Smash 5 where only Fox is playable
BassForever
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4 cut if true would probably be
Wolf
Lucas
Snake
Ike
Would probably have Chrom replace Ike
Wolf
Lucas
Snake
Ike
Would probably have Chrom replace Ike
DisconnectD
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okay, considering Sakurai has already been heard saying "were thinking about it!" or something to that affect while in the audience of some event where his playability in Sm4sh was brought up, there is little doubt he will make it in. Especially since Gamefreaks make final decisions on pokemans and since he presumbly is very important in the latest movies and games.
balladofwindfishes
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Closest thing we'll get to a new StarFox game, amiright?
PadWarrior
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LOL oh man.
theprodigy
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Flappy Fox coming to IOS 2015
Now you've done it, Sakurai has made it Meta Knight only
DisconnectD
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Seriously of people spouting off this garbage and then not bothering to justify it.
If you think one or more characters are more likely to be cut, then dammit have the balls to give a legitimate explanation for said cuts. Sakurai hates to get rid of characters and even went as far as apologizing beforehand JUST INCASE for the development of Sm4sh, so the least you could would be to come up with a well thought out reasoning behind your claims.
(Btw: Bassforever, I am in no way trying to single you out, I just get tired of seeing posts like this.)
This guy gets it
theprodigy
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no shit Sakurai is going to say that he doesn't want to get rid of characters, he doesn't want to piss off fans (unless it's Waluigi lol)
MrSaturn99
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any suggestions of lucas getting cut breaks my mother-sized heart
Both my boys gotta stay.
Both my boys gotta stay.
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This doesn't make any sense since the reason dual characters could be an issue on 3DS, isn't a limitation on the hardware specs but instead presumably a visibility issue. The characters will be much smaller on 3DS, so things like pikmin will be hard to see. I could see it being an issue with the climbers as well, with enough characters on the small screen.
That is not to say I don't think iceclimbers will make it. I am sure Sakurai and co will find a way.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
They need to make a room for Kumatora
All of these characters speak for themselves, you don't NEED reasons, but if you actually need a break down.
Lucas - Although more user friendly than Ness, added nothing new in terms of aesthetics.
Wolf - Adds nothing new, pure fan pandering (nothing more or less), another space animal fighter in a franchise that gets most of it's representations from Fox already. I want BOTH Falco and Wolf gone honestly. New Franchise Rep >= Falco + Wolf.
Snake - Doesn't need explanation really.
Ike - Most likely given lower priority to experiment with an Awakening character.
What will happen if he cuts characters? Nothing, people will buy the games anyway.
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Exactly, so if the same man who left Ganondorf as a cpt. Falcon clone two games in and added toon link to brawl and brought him back for sm4sh, why on earth would anyone think he would willingly put unique characters like Ike, R.O.B, G&W, Lucas, or Wolf on the chopping block, seriously?
G&W is uber important to Nintendo history, as is rob and the former has seniority now. Ike has a unique move set, favoritism by his creators and is important to his series and wasn't fucking Lucas almost chosen to replace Ness?
I am going to go out on a very short limb here and call it now. Snake is the only cut
Wolf added nothing new? Him and Lucas had completely unique A moves for one, and their specials took cues from other characters but were also pretty unique.
Snake doesn't need explanation? Is this the old "not Nintendo enough" argument?
Shadow Hog
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Everyone seems to either think Snake's gone or actively want him gone.
Not me, tho. Bring Snake back. I want my Revengeance songs in Smash.
Not me, tho. Bring Snake back. I want my Revengeance songs in Smash.
DisconnectD
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Lucas was more relevant than Ness but after the VC release , maybe not anymore. The mother series is niche anyway, so neither should technically be in but they are, so there you go.
Wolf: lol, this again? Wolf is more unique than Falco and a heavy space animal to boot which adds even more variation, plus he is villain status. Not enough as it is, so he is going nowhere.
Snake: no comment
Ike: important to his franchise like Marth but lesser extent, near & dear to intelligent systems, & most importantly he has a unique moveset, plus he is a fan favorite so he is going nowhere.
Plus: there is literally no reason there can't be 3 F.E reps considering how well Awakening sold, saving the entire series.
or Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, Snake.
lol
I will be sad if Dr. Mario isn't a costume though. Something about the Doc costume, loved playing as him in Melee.
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They won't be. Sakurai loooves his retro characters and they have seniority now. If olimar and rosalina can work on 3ds, so can they.
That's my point. Maybe they want it to be instant now, but the only way is to load it at the start of battle rather than stream. Because the 3DS has to stream it from the cart, it means the character will play differently between Wii U (which has it already loaded) vs 3DS (which has to load it), and therefore it's causing issues. This either forces the Wii U to have the better version of the character (that can transform instantly, and therefore combo), or for them to have to purposefully slow down transformation times for Wii U to match the 3DS. The third option is to get rid of transformations (excluding those in final smashes, since it's not for combos) altogether so this doesn't become an issue.
I don't want cuts, and I'm not expecting any. But just for fun, in the unlikely event that the aforementioned rumor is correct and there are four cuts, I agree that Lucas, Ike, Wolf, and Snake are the most likely to go.
Yoshi, Captain Falcon, Ness, and Jigglypuff aren't going anywhere. They've been in all three Smash Bros. games to date. Yes, Ness was originally supposed to be replaced in Melee, and Jigglypuff almost missed out on Brawl, but at the end of the day they both have perfect attendance records. The original 12 are vital to the "DNA" of Smash Bros.
Sheik, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Falco, and Ganondorf have all been in two Smash Bros. games, and they're all popular characters who are important to the series.
That leaves us with the likeliest group of characters to be cut: the remaining Brawl newcomers.
I'm confident that Wario, Meta Knight, Zero Suit Samus, and R.O.B. are completely safe. I really don't think Pokémon Trainer is in danger either -- he's the protagonist of Nintendo's second biggest series, and the amount of time and effort put into his design and implementation make him the furthest thing from expendable.
Who's left? Lucas, Ike, Wolf, and Snake. Again, I don't want to see anyone cut from Brawl, but by default these four are at the end of the list.
Yoshi, Captain Falcon, Ness, and Jigglypuff aren't going anywhere. They've been in all three Smash Bros. games to date. Yes, Ness was originally supposed to be replaced in Melee, and Jigglypuff almost missed out on Brawl, but at the end of the day they both have perfect attendance records. The original 12 are vital to the "DNA" of Smash Bros.
Sheik, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Falco, and Ganondorf have all been in two Smash Bros. games, and they're all popular characters who are important to the series.
That leaves us with the likeliest group of characters to be cut: the remaining Brawl newcomers.
I'm confident that Wario, Meta Knight, Zero Suit Samus, and R.O.B. are completely safe. I really don't think Pokémon Trainer is in danger either -- he's the protagonist of Nintendo's second biggest series, and the amount of time and effort put into his design and implementation make him the furthest thing from expendable.
Who's left? Lucas, Ike, Wolf, and Snake. Again, I don't want to see anyone cut from Brawl, but by default these four are at the end of the list.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I avatar bet for Snake to be in the game. Prove me right, Sakkkuraaiiii.
I don't even think the Japanese like Roy that much. Ike scores consistently high in japanese FE character polls, even after Awakening was released.
48 characters with 4 veterans cut seems like a fair estimate. I'd say it's in some ways a generous increase from Brawl's roster, including potentially trimming out some fat from Brawl's roster.
I actually wouldn't mind it if this is true. My expectations for a large roster upgrade have been rather low for quite some time so if we're looking at 14 new characters that'd be actually pretty good for Smash standards. Even the roster difference (11 characters) is one retained between Melee and Brawl, though the latter would have had one more newcomer than Smash 4 if it's 4 cut characters.
Unfortunately Snake is almost assuredly going to get the cut, unless Kojima begs again. Which he might, assuming him and Sakurai are still tight.
I actually wouldn't mind it if this is true. My expectations for a large roster upgrade have been rather low for quite some time so if we're looking at 14 new characters that'd be actually pretty good for Smash standards. Even the roster difference (11 characters) is one retained between Melee and Brawl, though the latter would have had one more newcomer than Smash 4 if it's 4 cut characters.
Unfortunately Snake is almost assuredly going to get the cut, unless Kojima begs again. Which he might, assuming him and Sakurai are still tight.
I don't want any cuts.
But if I would take a guess
Snake,ROB, Pokemon trainer??
I really would like to see an older Ike with a revamped moveset, then they could bring Chrom or Lucina in there (or Robin!)
I really liked using Ike since he is such a power character but with Mac here... I don't know!
But if I would take a guess
Snake,ROB, Pokemon trainer??
I really would like to see an older Ike with a revamped moveset, then they could bring Chrom or Lucina in there (or Robin!)
I really liked using Ike since he is such a power character but with Mac here... I don't know!
Rules of Nature needs to be put in some fighting game so badly
But Brawl doesn't really have any fat to trim. Its "least important" characters (Lucas, Ike, Wolf) are exponentially more unique than Melee's (Dr. Mario, Roy, Pichu), and they're also more integral to their respective series. The loss of Dr. Mario wasn't exactly a huge blow to the Super Mario series, but cutting Wolf voids Star Fox of a major antagonist. Ike starred in two Fire Emblem games and has a completely unique moveset, whereas Roy is a one-off Marth clone, and so on.
Those are all super unique characters
Odd choices for potentially expected cuts!There are a number of characters in Brawl who I find 'bland' from a character PoV, but all the movesets were unique enough (except for Link/Toon Link) so I'm not really sure what I'd expect for cuts.