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Muslims unhappy at German "Satanic Verses" staging
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Mercury Fred
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lol Islam
James Power
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We respect secular government and free speech.
The problem with democracies in the 21st century is the shift away from rights of the individual as advanced enlightenment to rights of groups.
This had led to the decidedly undemocratic movement towards the creation of single issue groups with an agenda, usually only protecting their own rights at the expense of all others.
We need to step back away from protecting groups from being insulted to protecting people from the real things, like discrimination and racism. Leave speech the fuck alone.
This had led to the decidedly undemocratic movement towards the creation of single issue groups with an agenda, usually only protecting their own rights at the expense of all others.
We need to step back away from protecting groups from being insulted to protecting people from the real things, like discrimination and racism. Leave speech the fuck alone.
StriKeVillain
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:lol :lolJames Power said:
We respect secular government and free speech.
Love that picture.
This is a very sensitive subject, and it comes as no surprise that there would be devoted religious men and women who would oppose such a staging. I have not read the book myself, but I am assuming it does not paint capital G God in a positive light, which makes the potential backlash from believers expected. If you felt your way of viewing the world was threatened and being treated with disrespect and impudence, you might react in a similar fashion.
Has anyone here actually read the Satanic Verses, and can they give an account of what the book states and what it is about?
Has anyone here actually read the Satanic Verses, and can they give an account of what the book states and what it is about?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Chichikov said:
yes. censorship is awesome!
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Stridone said:
Mercury Fred said:
I love it when people generalize.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
If only I lived in Berlin so I could give a fuck and smolder with generic rage.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Reasonable people don't protest art just because it doesn't happen to conform to their particular value system.Alucard said:
Ninja Scooter
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Muslims are angry? WHHHHHAAAAAAAAA?!
it's always a minority
What people fail to realise is that religion is the breeding ground for fundamentalism and terrorism and these minorities. For wars and evil in general.
I'm not singling out Islam, Christianity is certainly no bit better.
Of course nobody is allowed to say something like that. So I take it back. Wait, no I don't
What people fail to realise is that religion is the breeding ground for fundamentalism and terrorism and these minorities. For wars and evil in general.
I'm not singling out Islam, Christianity is certainly no bit better.
Of course nobody is allowed to say something like that. So I take it back. Wait, no I don't
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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lopaz said:
Oh yeah! Pakistan is fucking HUGE! :lol
Once again, good job generalizing all the people who live in Pakistan.
thegodsend
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I'MM AAAANGGGRRYYYYY!!!!
Always some mob somewhere. I wonder if the press give christian demonstrations such coverage. Life of Brian was even banned in Norway for some days because of blashpemy. It goes in circles, and in the end, no one cares.
On another note, I believe the violent mob in mainly muslim countries either:
a) Have nothing better to do (AKA something like the french riots)
b) Have been told lies to fuel the hate.
On another note, I believe the violent mob in mainly muslim countries either:
a) Have nothing better to do (AKA something like the french riots)
b) Have been told lies to fuel the hate.
I like how all of boneheads here are shrilling with FREEDOM OF SPEECH HOW DARE THEY- well guess what, these people also have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH to fucking protest the play. Is peaceful protesting not allowed now? What the hell?
And contrary to the sensational thread title, the people protesting it are 'A local german muslim group' nor 'Muslims worlwide'. Fuck these hate-filled and sensationalistic threads. I live in a smaller Canadian city, and there's more than a dozen separate Muslim groups here, all with slightly different views and identities. One group does not even speak for the other groups in this city. These hate-baiting threads, trying to homogenize all Muslims worldwide and group them with the actions of perhaps a handful is just vile and abhorrent. Have some fucking shame. These threads are nothing but thinly veiled bigotry, but its at least useful to see the bigots and hate-monger than pop up to throw their hat in the pile.
The ignorance in these threads is fucking grotesque. Go meet some Muslims. Open a book. Learn a damn thing or two.
And contrary to the sensational thread title, the people protesting it are 'A local german muslim group' nor 'Muslims worlwide'. Fuck these hate-filled and sensationalistic threads. I live in a smaller Canadian city, and there's more than a dozen separate Muslim groups here, all with slightly different views and identities. One group does not even speak for the other groups in this city. These hate-baiting threads, trying to homogenize all Muslims worldwide and group them with the actions of perhaps a handful is just vile and abhorrent. Have some fucking shame. These threads are nothing but thinly veiled bigotry, but its at least useful to see the bigots and hate-monger than pop up to throw their hat in the pile.
The ignorance in these threads is fucking grotesque. Go meet some Muslims. Open a book. Learn a damn thing or two.
Dascu said:
That's not even an argument. So we can't have art or discourse about controversial issues.
This is the usual, 'it's your fault' slant.
As for the broader question of the few vs the many, when there are no voices of moderation people tend to think the radicals represent everyone and I've certainly seen a lack of any groups that whine and complain as loudly about the antics of their 'minority' brethren as these minorities whine and complain about every little thing that offends them.
It's nice to be 'progressive' and as a rule pretend any radical and unreasonable position is the preserve of the minority in the fringes, but in the overwhelming lack of evidence discourse that a) there are forces of moderation b) that these forces stand for democratic values and don't simply cower under the yolk of their more radical friends c) they are as determined to uphold these values of freedom , we can only assume they are complicit in the perpetration of these attacks on secular values.
And posting on the internet condemning people who protest against the play, is this not allowed?Slurpy said:
errr, I mean IS THIS NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!
Yay recursive arguments, it's turtles all the way down!
and on a more serious note, not all opinions are created equal, and speech that is intended to limit free speech should have the same protection as the opinions it tries to suppress.
Mercury Fred said:
What if I said, "lol homosexuality" when there's a complaint about something by gay people?
lopaz said:
Pakistan lives under Sharia now?
Seriously, you've demonstrated your lack of knowledge not only in Islamic threads, but hockey videogame threads. Do some research before opening your mouth.
Stridone said:
Ah...so freedom of speech is an exclusive right...gotcha!
FightyF said:
These groups, like all groups including the neo-nazis have the right to ask for censorship, the problem is that they do so with the implicit understanding that they are owed this right, due to the shift in the state from protecting feedoms advanced in the enlightenment to simply protected groups from being 'offended' even if it means trampling on freedoms.
This feeling of entitlement to something that society as a whole may not be ready to grant is the problem.
And if and and when society objects or is flabbergasted, they are painted as reactionaries or the mindless mob stoked by the forces of anti-islam conservatives by these same islamic groups who are all to eager to victimize their fellow citizens in defense of their right to bitch and not see art they won't see anyways but are first to feign victimhood when their antics go bad.
What's worse are the minority of intellectual liberalistas and their own sense of entitlement that they should dictate how people should think.
TrueReligion
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These muslims need to get over themselves. The muslims I know are nothing like this; they really make them look bad.
WickedAngel
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shagg_187 said:
...this kind of shit comes up every week. It isn't a generalization to say that there is an extremely vocal minority among Muslims that are ridiculously sensitive to anything that conflicts with their views and that they believe that the rest of us should just bend over backwards to conform to their views. This is certainly a minority of the Muslim population but that's always the case; if they want people to sympathize and accept their religion, they need to silence the radically sensitive individuals that exist within their own ranks.
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