Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.

Final Fantasy VIII is the best game in the franchise.

I don't understand the appeal of Super Smash Bros at all. Although I found myself watching the tournament during EVO 2013.

Star Fox Adventures was the first game I ever pre-ordered and I loved every bit of it. I think its one of the best adventure games to this day.
 
bishoptl said:
This thread is great. How is it I've never been in here before?
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Panthers said:
I absolutely hate Keyboard and Mouse for FPS games and don't understand how anyone can find it fun. You have unrealistic control, turn speed, and aim. For this reason I will never get a shooter on PC. Even if I use a controller, everyone else will be using KB. This is why I skipped Titanfall. KB &M also kills immersion for me in shooters. I can't put my finger on why. But it does.

Also, RTS is the best genre and needs to make a comeback.
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Agree with you on FPS. I cannot play with keyboard and mouse no matter how much I have tried. Absolutely hate it.
 
infiniteheteroskdasticity said:
The Souls games are terrible (I haven't played Dark Souls 2 but I've heard its more of the same). The combat was absolutely awful. It felt slow and imprecise and the best way to beat bosses was to just spam projectile attacks at distance. A cursory check of my past opinions on framerates would show I'm the farthest thing from a 60fps or bust fundamentalist but even I had issues with the treacle like controls on both Demons and Dark Souls (PS3 and 360 versions respectively). I only bought Dark Souls because of all the hype saying it was much tighter but the gameplay was still pretty awful. The games also suffered from a super generic universe, poor plot and dull graphics. About the only redeeming features were the interesting boss design (visual not gameplay) and the sense of challenge at the beginning.

All the God Of War games (even the PSP versions) shit all over them from a combat perspective.
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Everything else I can brush off as opinion, as where this seems outright false to me. Especially considering GoW combat boils down to do the same three button combination for every single encounter and you win every difficulty. I'm not saying Souls is the deepest, but it's a hell of a lot deeper and more timing based than mashing the same combo over and over.
 
Aaron-Lagann said:
Everything else I can brush off as opinion, as where this seems outright false to me. Especially considering GoW combat boils down to do the same three button combination for every single encounter and you win every difficulty. I'm not saying Souls is the deepest, but it's a hell of a lot deeper and more timing based than mashing the same combo over and over.
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this is literally the opposite case, gow has the three attack buttons, the three attack buttons in air, the three attack buttons plus the triggers, and all the secondary weapons. Also take into account that certain enemies have certain strengths, like not being able to be grabbed or blocked, or the gorgon stare shattering you if you jump. While Dark souls has heavy attack and light attack, with only timing being the strategy, you just mash the same two buttons with a specific timing. It does have wildly different enemies as well, but none that really make you have to change your style...that being said, Dark Souls is so much more...satisfying? Beating a boss in Dark Souls makes you yell "fuck yeah!", beating a boss in God of War makes you say "awww yeah".

Both are so different though it doesn't really make sense comparing their combat though
 
shacklesmcgee said:
this is literally the opposite case, gow has the three attack buttons, the three attack buttons in air, the three attack buttons plus the triggers, and all the secondary weapons. Also take into account that certain enemies have certain strengths, like not being able to be grabbed or blocked, or the gorgon stare shattering you if you jump. While Dark souls has heavy attack and light attack, with only timing being the strategy, you just mash the same two buttons with a specific timing. It does have wildly different enemies as well, but none that really make you have to change your style...that being said, Dark Souls is so much more...satisfying? Beating a boss in Dark Souls makes you yell "fuck yeah!", beating a boss in God of War makes you say "awww yeah".

Both are so different though it doesn't really make sense comparing their combat though
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While Souls games have two buttons and GoW has three, I beat all of the GoW games with light light heavy. Sure the occasional specific enemy made me stop using it, but that got me through all of those games and I felt no amount of satisfaction from beating any enemy, especially when I had to do a QTE to finish most of them off. Souls has parries, back-stabs and most enemies can't be easily crowd controlled with simple swings. The difficulty of the Souls games is blown out of proportion, but what difficulty is there works because of how simple the base mechanics are. Somehow the act of making a battle system relatively simple allows the creators to make more diverse combat scenarios, instead of "Here're a bunch of bad guys."

GoW has a marked lack of depth to the combat when compared to pretty much every other Character Action game. Even DmC had more depth, which tore most of the depth out of Devil May Cry 4, which is deeper than every God of War game combined.
 
Durante said:
Consoles are hardware DRM boxes which have no other reason for existence than enabling playing games for people who are too dumb to maintain a gaming PC.
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Making a gaming PC doesn't make you smart. It's fucking Legos. Plug this in there, put this in that port, screw this in that hole. It doesn't take a genius, it's just tedious and boring. People who aren't giant hardware geeks don't have time for that shit, they just want to play video games, and this kind of unjustified pompous attitude from PC gamers is what makes people dislike them.
 
Insults aside: Building a PC is super simple and I've been doing it since I was 16. But having an impressive rig is for encoding/throwing a number of programs at it without worry, not really for gaming.
 
Phreakuency said:
Disagreed. Everything else simply looks bad because of how GREAT this game was.

Pretty easy to make polished games when you are remaking the same bunch of games over and over, almost never taking risks. I've played all of their games, (worked for them in the late 90's/early 2000's) and think they make great games but they most certainly do just rehash... actually rehash is probably too kind. They make the same game with a few new touches. You do that over and over and of course you're going to have polished games.

Totally disagree. Apart from the gameplay itself being 'fake stealth' (seriously, a guard sees you, the screen shines, you hide and he's like 'hmm I must be high') and not even including knocking on walls, hiding bodies in crates/lockers, under boxes etc, yet still relying on tacky '!' instead of making an immersive, minimal HUD and onscreen prompts is bad enough. But the fact they charged so much for content that is smaller than many free demos and cheaper DLC is a joke. But again, most people have either of these opinions so hardly controversial.

I'd love to know how many of the so called Souls fans played the original game on day one. Having never played a Souls game before (nor having read or watched walkthroughs), Demon's Souls was a very tough game for everyone. Yes, you could master it, but you are speaking shit if you call the game easy.

It's pretty common for people to finish a tough game and then whip their dick out and say they breezed through it. And this earns you nothing by the way.
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Hypoallergenic Chie said:
A+ post
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Ok, lets do it your way.

1) Everything else is bad, this game is good enough, it looked great because the rest were bad, except ofc if you believe that the majority of the AAA games are remotely good so we have no more to talk about.

2)Nintendo makes other games too, not only sequels to 20 year old games. How come these other games turn out polished too? How come after so many GTA's, GTAV comes out buggy with technical problems? Making 'the same game' as you put it is not so easy after all, you might need to be good at developing.

3)In real life, when you see a shadow pass 40 feet away from you in a dark alley, you shine the light it's way, make sure what you saw was an intruder and not a cat and then wake the whole base up. I don't know what you mean about fake stealth, GZ's enemy AI is the best in the series so far.
Also minimal HUD is the future, quite a few years now.

4)I played Demon's Souls week one and Dark Souls day one, i think dark was a bit harder and both weren't that hard. If you rush jenkins style without thinking first it's sure gonna be a pain, but if you put a little thinking then the games are easier than those beasts we played in the 80's.

FYI i don't plan on dragging this conversation on, but we can agree to disagree.
 
Because of valve/steam all I hear from my PC gamer friends is talk about saving money with bundles and indie game for a fiver, sorry but I don't care.

Steam as an app is shit, never worked in offline mode for me and twice I've had my account hacked, the only online service this has ever happened to me, I think that having more than one system (Origin/Uplay/etc) is a good thing as if hijacked the 'hacker' will not have access to all of your library.

I prefered the original (and Q3A version) of Team Fortress over TF2.

Valve ruined Day of Defeat with DOD Source.

Valve have forgotten how to make games/don't care about making games.

Even though its buggy as hell I would still buy BF4 and the premium pack at launch as I still enjoy it.

Fallout 3 is better than NV.

Quake 2 CTF was some of the best 'balls to the wall' multiplayer and Titanfall 'gets it' but with big machine I can stomp around in!

All the MGS games are over rated.

Bioshock Infinite shouldn't have had the work Bioshock in the title as it was shit by comparison.

GTA games are fun but way over rated.

GTA 5 was boring as was Uncharted and Gears of War (also over hyped for was it was).

Halo multiplayer is shit, feels spongy as did Unreal Tournament.

Quake was better than Doom and is more deserving of a 'next/current gen' reboot.

I liked some of the things MS had planned with the xb1 like game sharing, would have been great for my son and me.

Always online and gold sub is not an issue for me as I would never be offline or without a subscription, its like £25 a year is you shop around, nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 
Not controversial opinion, if you can get hacked twice, then there's something wrong with your web browsing habit, try using an antivirus first before blaming Valve.
 
Atraveller said:
Not controversial opinion, if you can get hacked twice, then there's something wrong with your web browsing habit, try using an antivirus first before blaming Valve.
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As I said I have only ever had an issue with Steam, never had anything else hacked/taken over including my MS account, Sony Entertainment account (used on bluray player), Google and many other website accounts.

I run various antivirus / antimalware software, I am very careful with how I browse the internet. Perhaps you should get all information before insinuating someone doesn't know what they are doing.

A google search shows Im not the only person its happened too. Maybe, just maybe Steam was at fault? This was years ago keep in mind, and a contributing factor in my shift to console gaming.

I will go back and reword the original post to make it more controversial/explain my point better though I'm not sure what you want, I'm pretty sure me called the steam app shit will be controversial to many people.

If you want to discuss further take it to PM, lets not muddy the thread.
 
I enjoyed Bioshock Infinite's gameplay.

On that note, I enjoyed Infinite more than Last of Us.

I like Wolf Among Us more than The Walking Dead.

Fanservice in general I dislike, it's pretty skeevy especially in games like Dangan Ronpa and Persona 4. I wish there was a way to skip it.

Hoenn was my favorite Pokemon region/generation.

...and that's all that I can think of off the top of my head.
 
JoJo UK said:
As I said I have only ever had an issue with Steam, never had anything else hacked/taken over including my MS account, Sony Entertainment account (used on bluray player), Google and many other website accounts.

I run various antivirus / antimalware software, I am very careful with how I browse the internet. Perhaps you should get all information before insinuating someone doesn't know what they are doing.

A google search shows Im not the only person its happened too. Maybe, just maybe Steam was at fault? This was years ago keep in mind, and a contributing factor in my shift to console gaming.

I will go back and reword the original post to make it more controversial/explain my point better though I'm not sure what you want, I'm pretty sure me called the steam app shit will be controversial to many people.

If you want to discuss further take it to PM, lets not muddy the thread.
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No one is muddying shit, if Valve had a major security leak such as stolen account credentials, they would have alerted us and told us to change the password. And the reason why your Steam account was taken over, is mostly because a Steam account that contains your credit card info, is definitely more interesting to the hackers than your mail or Sony Entertainment account.
 
Atraveller said:
No one is muddying shit, if Valve had a major security leak such as stolen account credentials, they would have alerted us and told us to change the password. And the reason why your Steam account was taken over, is mostly because a Steam account that contains your credit card info, is definitely more interesting to the hackers than your mail or Sony Entertainment account.
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No credit card info (though the Sony Entertainment account did have details linked to it for renting movies), both times the account was taken over the person just deleted my friend list, changed my gamertag and just played games with their friends in Russia. That's the second time you have made an incorrect assumption.

On your point about Valve having a security leak:

Wikipedia said:
The popularity of Steam has led to the service being attacked by hackers. One notable attempt occurred on November 6, 2011, where Steam temporarily closed the community forums, citing potential hacking threats to the service. Subsequently, on November 10, Valve reported that the hack included a compromise of one of their customer databases, potentially allowing the perpetrators to access customer information including encrypted password and credit card details. At that time, Valve was not aware if the intruders actually accessed this information or discovered the encryption method, but warned users to be alert for fraudulent activity.
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I'm not saying it related to my problems but I believe this is when I tried to access my account and found it had been hijacked for the second time, it was in 2011 anyway. Why are you coming into a thread with controversial in the title and getting annoyed, it's not a personal attack on you and if everything agreed with it then it wouldn't be a controversial opinion. Go to PM if you have too.
 
i think the Resident Evil series is hot garbage, every single one. the RE games are boring, with convoluted plots, and have bad controls. i don't understand how this franchise has spawned so many sequels and spin-offs, it's mind boggling. RE is like the Japanese AAA equivalent to the CoD franchise. there i said it.
 
Not sure how controversial this one is since I know a lot of people here adore this game but...

After playing Earthbound for the first time I've come to the conclusion that it's the greatest SNES RPG I've played. Better than FF6 and Chrono

Also Vanquish as best game of last gen. Come at me bros.
 
  • I think the Zelda, Final Fantasy, and Mass Effect games are above and beyond overrated.
  • Half Life is actually boring.
  • Most of Xbox 360's exclusives were lackluster.
  • PlayStation 3 had a ton of lackluster exclusives as well.
  • Uncharted 3 sucked compared to 1 & 2.
 
Bioshock Infinite actually has very good combat.

I legitimately feel like a large portion of the people who say it has bad combat either just ignored Vigors and didn't try to experiment at all or just don't like shooters.
 
One console future would be better for gaming industry and customer. . Development cost will be extremely reduce and everyone will be playing without missing out exclusive . Competition will be even more fiercer as everyone can resource on one platform and you have everything to compete against .
 
beast786 said:
One console future would be better for gaming industry and customer. . Development cost will be extremely reduce and everyone will be playing without missing out exclusive . Competition will be even more fiercer as everyone can resource on one platform and you have everything to compete against .
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I'm with Durante in saying that a no console future would be better for the gaming industry and consumers. Given how many game developers are moving towards PC, I would say that the gaming industry probably also agrees, but have to cede to backwards thinking.
 
beast786 said:
One console future would be better for gaming industry and customer. . Development cost will be extremely reduce and everyone will be playing without missing out exclusive . Competition will be even more fiercer as everyone can resource on one platform and you have everything to compete against .
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Sorry, but no.

I get that this is the controversial opinion thread, but what you're arguing is a bit more than opinion. Last gen MS was the reason Sony got its head out of its ass. This gen it was vice-versa. One Console means the console creator gets to do what it wants--this isn't a workable situation.

Cyrano said:
I'm with Durante in saying that a no console future would be better for the gaming industry and consumers. Given how many game developers are moving towards PC, I would say that the gaming industry probably also agrees, but have to cede to backwards thinking.
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Not that what PC gaming has done isn't impressive. But the reality is developers would move towards cell phone and tablets over PC if consoles suddenly died.
 
Sage Shinigami said:
Not that what PC gaming has done isn't impressive. But the reality is developers would move towards cell phone and tablets over PC if consoles suddenly died.
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The companies that are going to move there are probably already moving there anyway. Everyone else would inevitably move to PC.
 
Cyrano said:
The companies that are going to move there are probably already moving there anyway. Everyone else would inevitably move to PC.
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Nah, there's still tons of money to be made on consoles so why would they?

The reality is PC is not the future. They cost too fucking much, and regardless of how used to upgrading cell phones people have gotten, no one wants to upgrade something they spend a buttload on every two years. But neither is consoles. More likely gaming will eventually move to something like a PS Now situation, where new games are streamed live to us. The only reason you aren't seeing that at a faster rate (people have been talking about it since 2005) is that the internet still isn't fast enough.

Note, I didn't say I wanted that. It's just what I see happening.
 
Sage Shinigami said:
Nah, there's still tons of money to be made on consoles so why would they?

The reality is PC is not the future. They cost too fucking much, and regardless of how used to upgrading cell phones people have gotten, no one wants to upgrade something they spend a buttload on every two years. But neither is consoles. More likely gaming will eventually move to something like a PS Now situation, where new games are streamed live to us. The only reason you aren't seeing that at a faster rate (people have been talking about it since 2005) is that the internet still isn't fast enough.

Note, I didn't say I wanted that. It's just what I see happening.
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It is extraordinarily expensive to develop for 2, 3, or 4 platforms all at once. As a result, the benefits primarily extend only to large companies that can afford that kind of divvying up of resources. Nintendo attempted to provide something that actually justified the hardware investment, but it has increasingly become less significant as developers shy away from forcing themselves to lock their gameplay to what is now effectively non-standard hardware (Wii Remotes, Kinects, PSMoves).

Also, "costing too much" is pretty much a non-argument for PCs. They are cheaper and actually scalable, both things consoles no longer have over and above them.
 
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