Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

It's stated that he has a different backstory and that he was born again. They're as much different characters as the two Ridleys are, just one in scifi and the other is fantasy. It's also a different situation from something like Zelda II or the Oracle games where the old Ganon is brought back to life through Dark Magic. The Ganondorf in FSA isn't even a Gerudo.

I never played FSA and always heard it was just another resurrection, so I didn't know that. Also you are partly wrong.
Hundreds of years later, in Four Swords Adventures, Ganon is reincarnated following his death in Twilight Princess. In this game, Ganondorf is referred to as a desert nomad, recently expelled from the Gerudo Tribe by breaking their taboo and exploring the Desert Pyramid as part of his plan to usurp the powers of others and coat Hyrule in darkness.
He is still a Gerudo. Anyways this is still different than Ridley as the Other M Ridley was a new being created by cloning the DNA from the now dead Ridley. Ganon in FSA is a "natural" (fantasy natural) reincarnation of the essence of Ganon. It's the same as Link and Zelda and we already have two Links in the game.
 
The shudder was more for Prodigy, you'd be around b/c you'd be able to not talk about said topics

LOL. I have nothing to share since both of sides already posted what I would feel about Ridley and the fact that I'm truly tired of Ridley topic and I wish Sakurai would tell us right now so it can be over and deal with it.
 
Lyle was the explosives expert member of Adam's team. After he was killed the Exam Center was mysteriously blown up with explosives. It's more likely that the Deleter killed Lyle and took his explosives and Ridley scavenged his body.
Or he could have picked the explosives off Lyle's body when he was examining it with the rest of the group. Jesus, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

I'm done arguing Other M with you. I don't enjoy writing about the minutiae of one of the worst scripts in gaming history, especially when half the arguments around it seem to be based on things not even in the game itself. i'd much rather argue about a good game with interesting worldbuilding like Super Metroid or Prime. Take that as a victory if you want.
 
That's probably the worst plan I've ever heard

It would just sabotage both versions

Though I'm guessing someone is going to say "Because Nintendo" because saying that is easier than explaining why anyone, anywhere, would consider doing that

Because their ship is sinking fast and they need to throw everything at the problem, and that bad ideas can look like good ones in Panic Mode.

Tom Nook still has a chance even though he is part of Villager's final smash because we saw Timmy and Tommy in the background of the Animal Crossing stage and he is wearing his old apron during the Smash while he was wearing his jumper during the first Smash trailer.

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I never played FSA and always heard it was just another resurrection, so I didn't know that. Also you are partly wrong.

He is still a Gerudo. Anyways this is still different than Ridley as the Other M Ridley was a new being created by cloning the DNA from the now dead Ridley. Ganon in FSA is a "natural" (fantasy natural) reincarnation of the essence of Ganon. It's the same as Link and Zelda and we already have two Links in the game.
Regardless, it's a different dude. He's born in some random village. Ganon in FSA is another person born with evil intent who seized dark power.

If anything, the two Ridleys are more similar to one another. They have the same DNA.
 
I will not buy this game if I have to connect to a system to unlock characters already on the card.

There is no way it'll be characters. If anything, maybe some characters will be added as DLC later once the Wii U game comes out (i doubt it, but i guess it's not impossible), but they will never restrict characters from the 3ds game until you sync. \

I can almost guarantee that there will be trophies you unlock this way, but I doubt much else.
 
Regardless, it's a different dude. He's born in some random village. Ganon in FSA is another person born with evil intent who seized dark power.

If anything, the two Ridleys are more similar to one another. They have the same DNA.

The two Ganondorf's are made of the exact same essence. He is the same person reborn as another person. The two Ridleys are not more similar.
There is no way it'll be characters. If anything, maybe some characters will be added as DLC later once the Wii U game comes out (i doubt it, but i guess it's not impossible), but they will never restrict characters from the 3ds game until you sync. \

I can almost guarantee that there will be trophies you unlock this way, but I doubt much else.

This talk of connecting the two versions to unlock stuff makes me hope that if there are unlockable characters in this game like the rest of the Smash series I hope that you can connect the 3DS version to the Wii U version to automatically unlock all the characters so you don't have to unlock them all a second time.
 
It be nice if we got a golden sun stage. particulur the stage where you meet the giant eye thing
i think it was an eye
tells you to go on the journey. i beleiveit was Sol Sanctum. that place was pretty cool.

The two Ganondorf's are made of the exact same essence. He is the same person reborn as another person. The two Ridleys are not more similar.
Wouldnt that mean demis and ganondorf are the same people as well? I never thought that, always thought it was just reincarnation. To the effects of link and zelda.
 
It be nice if we got a golden sun stage. particulur the stage where you meet the giant eye thing
i think it was an eye
tells you to go on the journey. i beleiveit was Sol Sanctum. that place was pretty cool.

I always thought Venus Lighthouse would be perfect stage for Golden Sun.
 
The two Ganondorf's are made of the exact same essence. He is the same person reborn as another person. The two Ridleys are not more similar.
The two Ridleys are literally made of the exact same DNA lol. You also just made up that essence stuff. Look, even if you refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong, the two are still comparable enough to make the original comparison. Having FSA giant Ganon as a boss while Ganondorf is playable makes about the same amount of sense as having a Other M sized Ridley as a boss while a resized Classic Ridley is playable. If anything it makes more sense, because playable Ganondorf wouldn't contrast with the rest of the Zelda characters (all TP) like Classic Ridley would with the Other M Metroid characters.
 
Because their ship is sinking fast and they need to throw everything at the problem, and that bad ideas can look like good ones in Panic Mode.

You think making people spend $300 or whatever to unlock all characters on the 3DS version is going to help sales in any way?
no, and the negative PR they'd get for pulling an EA would be hilarious
 
It be nice if we got a golden sun stage. particulur the stage where you meet the giant eye thing
i think it was an eye
tells you to go on the journey. i beleiveit was Sol Sanctum. that place was pretty cool.


Wouldnt that mean demis and ganondorf are the same people as well? I never thought that, always thought it was just reincarnation. To the effects of link and zelda.

Pretty much. Same essence, different person/body. Other M Ridley has the same DNA, but is a different "person" with a different body. It's pretty much the same thing.
The two Ridleys are literally made of the exact same DNA lol. You also just made up that essence stuff. Look, even if you refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong, the two are still comparable enough to make the original comparison. Having FSA giant Ganon as a boss while Ganondorf is playable makes about the same amount of sense as having a Other M sized Ridley as a boss while a resized Classic Ridley is playable. If anything it makes more sense, because playable Ganondorf wouldn't contrast with the rest of the Zelda characters (all TP) like Classic Ridley would with the Other M Metroid characters.
I didn't make shit up, he is a reincarnated Ganondorf, as in the essence of the dead Ganondorf was reborn into a new Ganondorf, THAT'S HOW REINCARNATION WORKS.
Also the characters contrasting means nothing, look at Toon Link.
 
Or he could have picked the explosives off Lyle's body when he was examining it with the rest of the group. Jesus, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

I'm done arguing Other M with you. I don't enjoy writing about the minutiae of one of te worst scripts in gaming history, especially when half the arguments around it seem to be based on things not even in the game itself. Take that as a victory if you want.

Why don't you at least respond to my other paragraph and this, then. You keep saying that Ridley is just acting like an animal. Why does he go after Samus when she poses no threat to him? That's not what animals do. Samus is going around killing other animals that Ridley can eat and grow stronger from. It might make sense to attack her once she gave him reason to but instead he mounts an assault on the building she is in and tries to take her down before he's even at full strength. He goes on the offensive as soon as he's strong enough to fight. Why? What purpose would making her into an enemy serve? His actions are consistent with revenge, not survival.
 
You think making people spend $300 or whatever to unlock all characters on the 3DS version is going to help sales in any way?
no, and the negative PR they'd get for pulling an EA would be hilarious

I'm not saying it's a good idea. Just that it's an idea. Like trying to put out an electrical fire with a bucket of water.
 
How is Smash 4 going to sell? Considering the Wii U's userbase and the way the 3DS is cannibalizing sales, I have a hard time seeing it form a competitive community.

Why don't you at least respond to my other paragraph.
Because I'm done arguing Other M.
 
I don't post here as much as I'd like to, but I definitely had a dream last night where Isaac was a playable character.

So well done too. Oh well.
 
I do. They never even say Ganondorf is reincarnated lol. Just like it's never clarified that Ridley in Other M has different memories. Like I said, you just made everything up.

Hyrule Historia describes the Ganondorf of this game to be a different Ganondorf from the one appearing in Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, having been reincarnated after being defeated
But I'm making shit up, right?
It's literally the exact same thing that has been happening with Link and Zelda.
 
How is Smash 4 going to sell? Considering the Wii U's userbase and the way the 3DS is cannibalizing sales, I have a hard time seeing it form a competitive community.


Because I'm done arguing Other M.

You picked a convenient time to be done arguing.
 
But I'm making shit up, right?
It's literally the exact same thing that has been happening with Link and Zelda.
The wiki uses the word incarnated. The actual game never uses those words. I'm sorry, I gave you too much credit. You borrowed something that someone else made up. It's still not stated to be the case in the game, just like the Ridley situation.

Also, your quote clearly states it's another Ganondorf, unlike Ridley who is still the same creature. You're being stubborn.
 
The over-emotional Ridley delusion is hilarious, holy shit. You'd think Sakurai showing his shadow with "other bosses will also appear" displayed would be enough to shut people up. But nope. That's my opinion on the matter; he's a boss and not playable.
 
The wiki uses the word incarnated. The actual game never uses those words. I'm sorry, I gave you too much credit. You borrowed something that someone else made up. It's still not stated to be the case in the game, just like the Ridley situation.

I have never been so enraged by someone on GAF. I am LITERALLY done with your ass, I'm putting you on my ignore list.
 
The over-emotional Ridley delusion is hilarious, holy shit. You'd think Sakurai showing his shadow with "other bosses will also appear" displayed would be enough to shut people up. But nope. That's my opinion on the matter; he's a boss and not playable.
People aren't being "over-emotional" by pointing out how the manner in which Ridley was shown leaves plenty of room for a number of possibilities to play out.
 
it was a dream it was a vision of the future.. you have a gift friend.

If it was before Dark Dawn came out then I'd be inclined to believe you. That entry, even though I thought it was pretty solid, definitely threw the series into the vaults for a bit.
 
The over-emotional Ridley delusion is hilarious, holy shit. You'd think Sakurai showing his shadow with "other bosses will also appear" displayed would be enough to shut people up. But nope. That's my opinion on the matter; he's a boss and not playable.
This is how I feel, but with less snark.
 
I thought about one last thing: what are they going to show at E3? They need to keep some newcomers hidden as unlockables, yet I feel they'll show another three newcomers, just like last year. If I were Sakurai/Nintendo, and if they do a proper conference this year, I'd try to show three characters that I'd be sure would have a certain impact.

1. Pac-Man (3rd party and retro character, just like Mega Man last year)
2. Palutena (finally putting to rest the leak)
#TeamReal
3.
Ridley
or Mewtwo (imagine the reaction)
 
I thought about one last thing: what are they going to show at E3? They need to keep some newcomers hidden as unlockables, yet I feel they'll show another three newcomers, just like last year. If I were Sakurai/Nintendo, and if they do a proper conference this year, I'd try to show three characters that I'd be sure would have a certain impact.

1. Pac-Man (3rd party and retro character, just like Mega Man last year)
2. Palutena (finally putting to rest the leak)
#TeamReal
3.
Ridley
or Mewtwo (imagine the reaction)
I'm thinking they'd consider Pacman to carry a lot of weight on his own. Add in an actual release date and some veterans and you're all set.
 
But I'm making shit up, right?
It's literally the exact same thing that has been happening with Link and Zelda.

meaning they dont retain there memories of the past, going back to my point that there different people. different goals and such. its like saying with religious aspect of reincrantion, that i was a cow in the past i died, but retained my memories/personality of when i was a cow. It doesn't work like that it was a past life lead, and like Demis said he cursed them to do this game for as long as it takes. Those ganodorfs/ganons after him are indeed reincarnation of Demis but to say they are the same person with the same memories is bullshit. at least to me anyways.
 
How is Smash 4 going to sell? Considering the Wii U's userbase and the way the 3DS is cannibalizing sales, I have a hard time seeing it form a competitive community.

Well Theoretically Mario Kart 8 should help expand the Wii U user base. The 3ds version should do really well but I feel like it will leave most players wanting more especially when we get more shiny Wii U footage. Different stages, Beautiful graphics, "possibly better online", It's own exclusive modes, More control schemes(The Pro Controller is going to be a huge factor). I think it has a lot of potential to form a competitive community. However if it plays too much like brawl then maybe it will have a harder time for sure.
 
meaning they dont retain there memories of the past, going back to my point that there different people. different goals and such. its like saying with religious aspect of reincrantion, that i was a cow in the past i died, but retained my memories/personality of when i was a cow. It doesn't work like that it was a past life lead, and like Demis said he cursed them to do this game for as long as it takes. Those ganodorfs/ganons after him are indeed reincarnation of Demis but to say they are the same person with the same memories is bullshit. at least to me anyways.

Guys, don't get him started again. All of SmashGAF is gonna end up on his ignore list.
 
meaning they dont retain there memories of the past, going back to my point that there different people. different goals and such. its like saying with religious aspect of reincrantion, that i was a cow in the past i died, but retained my memories/personality of when i was a cow. It doesn't work like that it was a past life lead, and like Demis said he cursed them to do this game for as long as it takes. Those ganodorfs/ganons after him are indeed reincarnation of Demis but to say they are the same person with the same memories is bullshit. at least to me anyways.

I outright said they were different people, did you even read what I said?
Pretty much. Same essence, different person/body. Other M Ridley has the same DNA, but is a different "person" with a different body. It's pretty much the same thing.
But with Demise's curse his reincarnations will always be after Link and Zelda. That's the only thing they carry over.
 
There is a dude discussing fictional DNA.
The fact of the matter is Sakurai implied something but didn't explicitly show it or say it (unlike what he did with various ATs like Waluigi and Ashley, explicitly saying they're not playable), and the character in question has multiple iterations that aren't even technically the same character. In 39 minutes there were multiple bait-and-switch reveals -- Zero Suit Samus being cut, a Palutena trophy turning out to be Pseudo-Palutena, and so on. All things considered, it wouldn't be surprising if Ridley were just a stage hazard, and this is what I'm inclined to believe will happen... but at the same time, given the facts I pointed out, I can see why the possibility of playable Ridley is still entertained.
 
The fact of the matter is Sakurai implied something but didn't explicitly show it or say it (unlike what he did with various ATs like Waluigi and Ashley, explicitly saying they're not playable), and the character in question has multiple iterations that aren't even technically the same character. In 39 minutes there were multiple bait-and-switch reveals -- Zero Suit Samus being cut, a Palutena trophy turning out to be Pseudo-Palutena, and so on. All things considered, it wouldn't be surprising if Ridley were just a stage hazard, and this is what I'm inclined to believe will happen... but at the same time, given the facts I pointed out, I can see why the possibility of playable Ridley is still entertained.

I understand the reasoning, but I guarantee even if Sakurai flat out stated Ridley will be a stage boss, there will still be people digging further and further to try and justify him still somehow being playable. It's delusional mental gymnastics. Maybe I'm being overly critical but damn if people don't set themselves up for disappointment willingly. It isn't hype at this point, it's almost obsession. We saw how carried away some users here get about the discussion.
 
How is Smash 4 going to sell? Considering the Wii U's userbase and the way the 3DS is cannibalizing sales, I have a hard time seeing it form a competitive community.

I think it depends on Mario Kart 8 and E3.

If that game along with presenting future plans for the Wii U doesn't have the impact Nintendo is looking for when it comes to increasing the userbase, Smash 4 is going to have it tough for the winter.
 
How is Smash 4 going to sell? Considering the Wii U's userbase and the way the 3DS is cannibalizing sales, I have a hard time seeing it form a competitive community.


Because I'm done arguing Other M.

Come on, most of the games at EVO sold only like 1-2Mil copies. Smash4 should easily sell at the very least 2-3Mil copies (I assume the worst and put WiiU lifetime at 10Mil units here). It won't have any problems building up a competitive scene.
 
There is a dude discussing fictional DNA.
That was just about whether or not Ridley is the same character in Other M as previous games. Whether or not he is doesn't matter because even if he wasn't Other M Ridley is still looks too similar to his other appearances. If Ridley is playable either he won't be a stage hazard or the stage hazard will be replaced when he's on that stage.
 
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