Waluigilicious
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A poll I made on the character count:
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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SenorArdilla
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Basically you want to buy something but then see the price tag and go "What? It costs so much!".
OMG you really care about which term I used? Epitome means perfect example of something, and here August 15th is the only existing Summer festivity, by tradition regarded as the hottest day of the whole season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferragosto
Guess where I live?
BTW here high school starts around the middle of September, university (for me) at the end of that same month.
Beelzebufo
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Exactly, the perfect example. Wouldn't the perfect example of summer be somewhere in the middle rather than near the end? That's my point. But like you said, it doesn't really matter.
Wè Axass, tutto apposto?
I am okay with Stages/Items Dlc, but only after 4 or 5 months after the release for example. Such DLC can be important for games like smash or Mario kart.
I am okay with Stages/Items Dlc, but only after 4 or 5 months after the release for example. Such DLC can be important for games like smash or Mario kart.
Neoriceisgood
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Ohh, I have that with a lot of Wiiu games lol.
$30 on Amazon, though.
It's not near the end.
Summer 2014 starts June 21, 6:51 A.M. EDT and ends September 22, 10:29 P.M. EDT. It's a total of 94 days (10+31+31+22), half of it would be 47 days, hence the middle point of Summer this year is between August 6th and 7th. Now are you telling me that August 15th is closer to the end of Summer than to the middle?
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C.Olimar788
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Having character DLC and balance patches would be absolutely lovely and ideal for a game like Smash Bros. I don't understand why people are so vehemently against it? It's not like Sakurai is going to pull a Street Fighter x Tekken and put a bunch of DLC-only characters on the disc.
Balance patches would be particularly great as a game like Smash Bros. can easily have elements of awful balance due to the need to playtest FFA and 1v1 extensively with and without items and on all stages... I would hope that if a character in Smash 4 ends up like Meta Knight was in Brawl they can issue out some nerfs and make the entire game healthier for it.
Balance patches would be particularly great as a game like Smash Bros. can easily have elements of awful balance due to the need to playtest FFA and 1v1 extensively with and without items and on all stages... I would hope that if a character in Smash 4 ends up like Meta Knight was in Brawl they can issue out some nerfs and make the entire game healthier for it.
I'd be okay with DLC 2-4 months after the fact, but not right away. If there's more content to be added that soon, delay the game a couple of weeks.
If the game needs to come out at a strategic time, making early DLC is more understandable, but otherwise I don't like having any of that.
If the game needs to come out at a strategic time, making early DLC is more understandable, but otherwise I don't like having any of that.
Pop-O-Matic
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Marked down from $40.
C.Olimar788
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For those of you skeptical (understandably) about the dreaded Day One DLC, here's a quick video on why it happens and why it can be positive. Long story short, it's infinitely better for marketing and keeps the development team working on content. They can't just delay the game for a few weeks or whatnot - it's completely unrealistic for big developers.
That said, I hope that there is some stuff down the line to extend the lifespan - especially as you barely need any content to extend the lifespan of a healthy game like Smash - as it could work wonders for the competitive community if done right (read: balance paaatches!).
That said, I hope that there is some stuff down the line to extend the lifespan - especially as you barely need any content to extend the lifespan of a healthy game like Smash - as it could work wonders for the competitive community if done right (read: balance paaatches!).
Beelzebufo
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Yeah, I would still argue that it's closer to the end of summer. While those are technically the dates, those aren't generally considered to be summer. If the game had come out in September, nobody would have considered it a summer release. By your same definition, the WiiU version can only release sometime between December 21st and 31st. Why not give a more specific date when there's only 11 possibilities anyway?
Also, let's try to keep things civil, your last comment is hardly necessary.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I would like to add my coin that I posted in other thread but people are too busy looking at negative sides of it, but basically I saw positive thing in OP so I will repost the OP quote, and my statement.
Basically, If I understand this right. It would led me to believe that people who don't have downloadable contents would able to participating online tournaments with new courses without splitting the online bases into two different groups. If it's so, then Nintendo have done it RIGHT that many companies never did. I meant companies have released many docs that would split the fan bases into half for online features.
Think about the possibilities for Mario Kart 8;
If they decided to release the downloadable tracks for Mario Kart 8, and they would provided Trial Tournament for customers to trying it out as well. If they opt to not buying the tracks, then they still can participating in downloadable tracks through the customers that purchased. Only if random selected the tracks tho. I think that would be great way to not split the base for people.
I will be there for day 1 on MK8 and Smash 4 if there are one.
ShockingAlberto
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Not anywhere that matters.
Fry's, Amazon, Best Buy, Target, and Wal-mart have it for $30. It's even $30 at Gamestop who usually sells at or above MSRP.
I'm looking for the PR that states the MSRP is $40 and am not finding it, but maybe it does exist and was changed, because there's no way everyone unanimously agreed to drop it $10.
tonyh24613
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The only way I'll accept DLC in Smash is that WiiU version having more characters at launch, then DLC for 3DS, free.
I can't believe people are taking these DLC discussion seriously. Smash is Sakurai's game, not Nintendo's game. Not to mention BNGI, who can never influence how Sakurai's gonna sell Smash. You don't ask if Smash will have dlc like mario golf, or some games from BNGI, which is king of dlc in Japan.
I can't believe people are taking these DLC discussion seriously. Smash is Sakurai's game, not Nintendo's game. Not to mention BNGI, who can never influence how Sakurai's gonna sell Smash. You don't ask if Smash will have dlc like mario golf, or some games from BNGI, which is king of dlc in Japan.
ShockingAlberto
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I am sure Nintendo feels totally cuckolded in this relationship, forced to give money to big intimidating Sakurai who won't take any orders from Nintendo.
Seriously, what
Beelzebufo
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But what if Sakurai wants DLC? When DLC shows up in Fire Emblem, Mario Golf, Pikmin, and even on the 3DS hardware... Why not a Smash?
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Amazon states the list price is $39.99, so I assume that's meant to be the MSRP.
ShockingAlberto
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Right, you assume.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Absolutely. characters, stages, music. Bring it on!
As long as its actually content created post launch I'm game.
Pop-O-Matic
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If the MSRP was meant to be $29.99, that would be the list price.
I will never understand why people would not want more content for a game. Especially when Nintendo's track record for this stuff has been good and looking at the amount of content they're giving in that Mario Golf DLC (and note that I'm not interested in Mario Golf) seems to be a pretty good deal. And they've outlined what people will be getting with the 'Season Pass' which is nice.
With that being said, I'm not a fan of Day 1 DLC. I know that there is some time for discs/carts to be pressed/manufactured and then be shipped of to stores which can be enough time for developers to work on content, but it irks me the wrong way as a consumer. I buy a game Day 1 and it is asking me to pay more to get more content.
I don't mind as much if they were to give 'Day 1 DLC' for free for an extended time period of 2 to 4 weeks where it would just reward early adopters.
With that being said, I'm not a fan of Day 1 DLC. I know that there is some time for discs/carts to be pressed/manufactured and then be shipped of to stores which can be enough time for developers to work on content, but it irks me the wrong way as a consumer. I buy a game Day 1 and it is asking me to pay more to get more content.
I don't mind as much if they were to give 'Day 1 DLC' for free for an extended time period of 2 to 4 weeks where it would just reward early adopters.
You're the one arguing about me using the word epitome buddy, I didn't even want to enter this absurd discussion. Sorry if I sounded rude though.
As for the bolded... that's why many speculated the WiiU version is going to come out in 2015.
ShockingAlberto
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Weird, then.
Becuase the official PR has the MSRP at $29.99 for both retail and eShop.
Amazon should really contact Nintendo about this. I don't think they realize they sent out the wrong MSRP.
Baron von Loathsome
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There are at least two problems with Smash DLC that I can personally identify.
1. When the 3DS's online support is shut down, DLC can only be used by those who have already downloaded it and not deleted it. If someone gets a second-hand copy of the game after that, they will not be able to access whatever DLC there is. This would be helped by the release of a GOTY edition or some other "complete" edition, but I'm skeptical that Nintendo would go that route.
2. If DLC affecting Smash's gameplay (characters, stages, maybe even items) was released, it would fragment the Smash community. Those who didn't download the DLC would often not be able to play with those who did. This could be counteracted by patching the DLC characters into the game, but then we're getting into on-disc DLC territory.
If anything it might just be a way to make people want to buy it more.
What looks more appealing, something that is at it's base price $30 or something that was $40, but then dropped to $30?
The second one implies a greater value to the product, but it also encourages an ugency in purchasing because you don't know how long this discount will last.
ShockingAlberto
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Yes, Amazon is a store who raises and lowers prices and offers sales on raised prices because they like to sell things.
This is obvious to most everyone who can look at a situation as a whole.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I don't think they are going to shut down 3DS's online support for long long time since Nintendo is in charge of the servers, unlike the situation with Wii and DS which is under GameSpy.
Also for 2nd. I'm not sure if you saw my post, but I will post it again for you.
Technically if people that downloaded those "Trial Tournament" would able to fight against other players' DLC contents if they chose those features, but I know It's unlikely but I hope that they would figure it out tho.
ShockingAlberto
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Smash is tricky for DLC because there's arguments to be made for either side. It can definitely extend a game's life, but I can also see the argument that people still play Melee and Brawl and those connections either didn't exist or will soon be shut down. Those games are inherently harder to archive for consumers.
On the other hand, such an idea could appeal to Nintendo. Forced obsolescence? It's a game publisher's dream!
On the other hand, such an idea could appeal to Nintendo. Forced obsolescence? It's a game publisher's dream!
tonyh24613
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I think he doesn't. Or he wants a full game at launch more than using DLC to complete it. If he has no time to add all the content in the game before launch, he'd rather delay the game. We've seen examples.
Smash is directed by Sakurai, not EAD, Nintendo can decide how they'll sell Mario golf, Miyamoto can make DLC stages for his own game. But they wont ask Sakurai to add DLC in Smash, too risky for such big title.
Most of my thing is stubborn clinging to old paradigms. I want the game to be what's in the box, not a portal to download pieces of the game. I want the game to still have full functionality after the Nintendo Network (as we currently know it) goes down, and my Wii U gets replaced. That mildly practical side is only part of it though; I want to know that I have the full thing, and to be able to think of the game and the game's content as one in the same. It's hard to explain, idealistic, and more than a little stupid. But it is what it is. Things were fine before, and if we can't count on Nintendo to be stuck in the past, then who?
I also don't want to learn new intricacies of the game every few weeks. I want to play and be able to think, 'everything I figure out right now will continue to be true about this game'. It's probably my biggest problem with P:M. It kept changing often (and sometimes it still does), sucking some of the fun out of it.
Besides that, there's the fragmentation issue that already got mentioned. I've seen Marvel events get delayed because some jerk needed a setup with Jill. Even more annoying would be not realizing some setups aren't patched to the latest version while trying to play sets. You might even have to pay extra just to be able to practice against new characters. It's already a pain getting people to bring in systems, nevermind having everyone on the same page with update downloading. FGC does it, so I guess it isn't that big of a problem. Just still annoying.
fredrancour
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I'd try out any form of content for the game if i felt the price was fair. I'd rather get Ultimate Super Smash Bros Kerfuffle in 2015 with 6 newcomers than wait an entire console generation for the chance to pray that sakurai likes the same minor franchises that I do.
Nintendo would probably able to extort me horribly if they made ridley, issac, or an advance wars rep dlc.
C.Olimar788
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Do all DLC hats come with LCD variations for Game & Watch? Because if they do I am totally sold. Game & Watch with an LCD top hat? 10/10, would main.
Free characters/stages
Paid alternate costumes
They can play off nostalgia and release costumes based on character from different games/universes. E.g. Mario with a Naruto costume as an alt.
G&W with a Fedora...NOOooooo
Instead of hats it should be alt costumes imo. They can easily monetize on it.
Paid alternate costumes
They can play off nostalgia and release costumes based on character from different games/universes. E.g. Mario with a Naruto costume as an alt.
G&W with a Fedora...NOOooooo
Instead of hats it should be alt costumes imo. They can easily monetize on it.
I really hope Little Mac's wireframe alt costume is a sign that they are going to put more effort into them this time around.
Hell...I think they could do so much with the alt costume idea. Why not merge clone characters into one and then just have multiple 'skins' as opposed to costumes. For example - merge Fox and Falco but have one of Fox's alt costumes be a Falco skin. You could do the same for Marth and Chrom, Ness and Lucas and so on.
Hell...I think they could do so much with the alt costume idea. Why not merge clone characters into one and then just have multiple 'skins' as opposed to costumes. For example - merge Fox and Falco but have one of Fox's alt costumes be a Falco skin. You could do the same for Marth and Chrom, Ness and Lucas and so on.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
We shall never have this fight ;_;
I don't like the idea of "skinning" a character and making another character wear that skin.
I don't like the idea of "skinning" a character and making another character wear that skin.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm still at beginning of the game, so be careful with the spoilers here. BUT HOLY SHIT THAT STAGE LOOK GORGEOUS!
theprodigy
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I almost didn't post the image for this reason, but figured the area itself without any context wouldn't be too bad.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Everybody lives.
tonyh24613
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You know what'd be a good Xenoblade stage?
Eryth Sea.
Not my favorite stage, but will be a great Smash stage.
Lord_Byron28
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Yeah I'd say Blaziken is the 2nd most popular starter after Charizard. However I'm doubtful since we already have a fire and fighting pokemon. If Sakurai does go for one more starter to replace the three from Pokemon Trainer he should pick Blaziken or Sceptile.We shall never have this fight ;_;
I don't like the idea of "skinning" a character and making another character wear that skin.
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