Scooter155
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Heh. I love the version arguments, they're hilarious. Bring more beef!
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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Heh. I love the version arguments, they're hilarious. Bring more beef!
I fell asleep within the first few minutes.
Poltergust
Member
Pic of the day. Yoshi's Egg Throw now leaves a rainbow trail, and we've improved the pose Samus strikes when she fires the Paralyzer. Every staff member is working hard as we brush up whatever we can.
Odd. Is this a translation error? That move has always been called Egg Toss in the previous games.
...That was so boring at the beginning, I can't imagine how long it actually took to get a winner from a 5 stock match
C.Olimar788
Member
Absolutely. I don't understand - with all the assorted Smash Bros.-esque games, not a single one has just copied Smash wholesale. Why haven't they? Smash has obviously shown that its formula works, and the market for a Smash Bros.-style game is practically empty, with literally only Smash Bros. being there.
PSASBR should have filled a nice little niche for a competitively-balanced Smash Bros.-style fighter, complete with all of Melee's best mechanics. Instead it... um... didn't even slightly do that at all!
http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/characters/yoshi.html
Standard Special Move Egg Lay
Side Special Move Egg Roll
Up Special Move Egg Throw
Down Special Move Yoshi Bomb
Final Smash Super Dragon
I don't get it either. It seems like they had this phobia of being called a Smash knockoff. If it was good, no one would have cared! Sometimes it can get tiring, but there's nothing wrong with exploring the genre a little bit. Imagine if no other developers were willing to rip off Street Fighter II (or whatever game it ripped off). No, we can't just do a fighting game with health bars, quarter circles for special moves, and characters that are always restricted to look at each other. Let's not bother making KoF or Mortal Kombat or Guilty Gear. Just not creative enough.
*sigh*
DisconnectD
Member
DAMMIT, benzy! You totally stole what would've been my first avatar post LOL ;P
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
My man.
That was a tournament for money and points to be made. Isai only went Mario last Apex and did the same for Jiggly at this one while most players were going either Kirby or Pika. If he would've been Pika it would've been an easy tournament, so he usually tries to stay away from top tier characters to prove that you can dominate with anyone in that game. The reason that match was boring is because the game is very punishing for mistakes, so spacing and not getting hit in 1v1s is CRUCIAL, especially if you're trying to get paid for playing.
Smash 64 is the best Smash for TEAMS and this is not an opinion :] -- it is FACT. Don't believe me? Play a couple games of nonlaggy teams on Kaillera against people who know how to play TEAMS and you'll understand why. The combo potential is unreal compared to later Smash games, so you can really pull off some crazyyyy ass combos ;]
Basically, Smash 64 TEAMS is pure HYPE, but I can understand how watching 1v1s in that game can be boring.. Personally, I agree with you guys but only for 1v1s because you don't see anywhere near the awesomeness as 2v2s unless you're watching two high level players playing for fun.
EDIT:
Exactly. Disappointing on all fronts..
Definitely, especially since there's not much room for spacing in 2v2s. I'm not a competitive player by any means, but I can see why they were playing the way they played. And I totally forgot about Kaillera. Last time I used it there was some crazy lag but I'll probably look into it again.
post a high level 2v2 sb64 match brah
They did get blasted for it, true. I guess just because of the thematic parallel. Nonetheless, I wish they would have just not cared and made the best game they could have, instead of trying to be a unique little snowflake. Some times it's for the better to have totally new ideas, but in this case I don't think it's all that needed.
Hit confirms were kinda fun. I'd rather have those supers + ring outs though. It always felt weirdly empty how little stage position/control mattered.
More than anything I think it made me appreciate how brilliant the percent/DI system is. In PSASBR, your moves always do basically the same thing, so you'll usually just confirm a first hit, and just repeat whatever your best combo is (depending somewhat on spacing). Combos like that are ok, but a seemed waste of the freedom of movement that a Smash Bros. style fighter affords.
I also didn't like that there's little irreversible progress (on a micro level). You can land 3 or 4 full combos, then miss with your level 2, and having gained nothing from it. The player getting hit doesn't take any loss if they can dodge your supers.
Poltergust
Member
W-what is this!? MY ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE!
Seriously, though, where did I pick up Egg Toss from, then?
Maybe it's the move name (from the trophy) in Melee or 64? Maybe it's from a Yoshi game. I dunno.
Brainfreeze
Member
New Samus Screenshots just went up on the Smash Bros Facebook page.
What's gravity?
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Here's the index for anyone interested. Click the spoiler next to "Playing Online" and it should be straightforward. If you have any questions shoot me a PM and I'll set you up with whatever you need.
I would link to a specific match, but I'm at work and can't really look for anything right now. Here's my Twitch profile though where I have a couple clips uploaded and have several matches under past broadcasts you can check out. If I had to randomly pick one video, I'm sure there are some exciting matches in here.
Whenever I post my stream in here it's because some great games are about to occur. I have to look into a webcam and mic though so I can interact with people more, hopefully get more viewers. I feel like if more people knew how this game played, they'd have a better understanding of what works well for this franchise. It's so damn fun!
No idea
64 manual: http://www.gamesdbase.com/Media/SYS...mated/Super_Smash_Bros._-_1999_-_Nintendo.pdf
melee
Maybe this: http://www.mariowiki.com/Egg_Toss
Shadow Hog
Member
Clean:
I would totally main Eggman, no jokeWhile waiting for the Pic of the Day, I decided to make a mock-up of SmashGAF's ideal roster.
You are Welcome.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I think Tails and Protoman should have made it in but I can guess it would be a low priority.
Poltergust
Member
No idea
64 manual: http://www.gamesdbase.com/Media/SYS...mated/Super_Smash_Bros._-_1999_-_Nintendo.pdf
melee
Maybe this: http://www.mariowiki.com/Egg_Toss
I was literally about to fire up Melee to confirm this lol.
Best i can guess is that's just what people call it colloquially. Toss rolls off the tongue better than throw. If you search egg toss, you find a bunch of smash videos.
DisconnectD
Member
"You don't need to be a douchebag about it. Almost all of the casual players I know were disappointed by Brawl. Since you called my opinion out, would you care to show me the evidence of your claim please? If you're brave enough to laugh at other people's opinions then you better back it up."
Clean:
I would totally main Eggman, no joke
Looking at that closer, yeah Samus' stomach looks really strange, like its collapsing in on itself.
Zero Suit Samus' Paralyzer is the only attack of hers that is actually taken from a game, and the old animation matched up really well with the Zero Mission sprite. I'm not a fan of the change -- like Link's new up air, it actually looks kind of worse, and I don't understand the reasoning behind altering it in the first place.
At this rate, if Ganondorf is still heavily based on Captain Falcon while other characters receive needless and arbitrary changes, I'm going to be upset.
At this rate, if Ganondorf is still heavily based on Captain Falcon while other characters receive needless and arbitrary changes, I'm going to be upset.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Thank you. I just realized that there are two or three typos due to auto-correct. Damn auto-correct.
SoldnerKei
Member
I know right? damn uair looking the silliest way possible... ZSS looks weird in that position, I mean look at her abs, look like she is a contortionist or something, but then again perhaps that's why she fits in morph ball mode
Link's up air is super super baffling to me. It previously matched zelda 2, now it matches... nothing link has ever done in any zelda game ever. Does it match some namco bandai fighting game move?
What if captain falcon is cut, and ganondorf is pure captain falcon clone
I hope with sakurai clearly acknowledging his fans (such as pointing out FPS early on in the smash direct) means he knows that people have always been disappointed by ganondorf's moveset. I'd like to see him redone from the ground up. I'm very apprehensive that it won't happen, though.
MrSaturn99
Member
I still can't decide which argument is more tired: Ridley or Brawl vs Melee!
You forgot Impa and Batman.
While waiting for the Pic of the Day, I decided to make a mock-up of SmashGAF's ideal roster.
You are Welcome.
You forgot Impa and Batman.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Along with an Idolm@ster character for BGBW, and "Blue 3rd-Party Character."
.la1n
Member
Protoman would have been amazing, I suppose there is always hope he may be available as an alternate skin for Megaman.
theprodigy
Member
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Remember Sakurai already warned the audiences that the games are still in development stage so they are subjected to be changed if it's neccesary.
Edited: disconnected, if you are going to help me with my English then please send it in private message since I can keep it in my inbox to study what I did wrong.
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Lord_Byron28
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One thing I noticed that few seem to get is that Sakurai also chooses characters to represent different eras of Nintendo. Ignoring NES characters because there is a shit ton of them and I'm lazy
Snes/GB era:
Fox
Falco
Captain Falcon
Yoshi
Ness
Diddy Kong
Wario
N64/GB era:
Ganondorf
Sheik
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Charizard
Mewtwo
Villager
Wolf
GCN/GBA era:
Captain Olimar
Toon Link
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Lucas
Wii/DS era:
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Lucario
Mii*
Chorus Men*
Shulk*
Wii U/ 3DS era:
Greninja
*rumored characters.
I think the most notable gap in representation currently would have to be the GCN/GBA era. Im predicting we will get another character from that era as well.
Snes/GB era:
Fox
Falco
Captain Falcon
Yoshi
Ness
Diddy Kong
Wario
N64/GB era:
Ganondorf
Sheik
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Charizard
Mewtwo
Villager
Wolf
GCN/GBA era:
Captain Olimar
Toon Link
Zero Suit Samus
Ike
Lucas
Wii/DS era:
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Lucario
Mii*
Chorus Men*
Shulk*
Wii U/ 3DS era:
Greninja
*rumored characters.
I think the most notable gap in representation currently would have to be the GCN/GBA era. Im predicting we will get another character from that era as well.
A few days ago, I was playing Project M, but then the Wii crashed, so I took out the SD card and played vanilla Brawl. The first thing I noticed was that it was really slow and floaty. The second thing I noticed was that after 30 seconds, I stopped caring about the physics and enjoyed the game anyway.
I would main the hell out of Protoman. I don't see it happening though, if anything Mega Man's alternate skins would be X, EXE, or Volnutt or something.
Beelzebufo
Banned
The way Link looks during his up air reminds me of skyward sword. It looks like he's falling from a bird thing.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Link's up air is super super baffling to me. It previously matched zelda 2, now it matches... nothing link has ever done in any zelda game ever. Does it match some namco bandai fighting game move?
What if captain falcon is cut, and ganondorf is pure captain falcon clone
I hope with sakurai clearly acknowledging his fans (such as pointing out FPS early on in the smash direct) means he knows that people have always been disappointed by ganondorf's moveset. I'd like to see him redone from the ground up. I'm very apprehensive that it won't happen, though.
So here are the problems with Ganondorf:
- Ganondorf started out as a clone because Melee had a very tight development window and Sakurai thought it would be better to include clones of fan favorites than not have the characters at all. This is basically the genesis from which all other Ganondorf decisions have been birthed.
- Ganondorf was sort of changed in Brawl, but Sakurai has (as far as we can tell, fairly openly) worried that changing him too much would alienate the people that do like his playstyle and got used to him in Melee.
- Changing Ganondorf fundamentally now requires quite a few "Fuck this" options. He could saw screw it to the people that like his old style and make it more accurate to how he is in the Zelda games, essentially doing the work you'd do for a new character but giving it to an old character slot. He could make a new character, give him Ganondorf's moveset, and give Ganon a new moveset, alienating no one but even more work than the first option while doing something he said he doesn't like doing (creating characters first and worrying about movesets and styles after). The third option is to just tweak Ganondorf a little bit again but not change him fundamentally, which is where I think they're going to end up going. Won't alienate fans, people who have been complaining since Melee probably didn't expect differently, and it doesn't require a ton of extra work.
TheLegendOfCap
Member
Yeahhh, if Sakurai could add Chibi-Robo to this section that would be great.
Haha but he also had a Wii "motion" remake in japan, 2 DS games, and a new 3DS game. What would that make him?
Are we talking origin?
He looks weird.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yes, we are talking about origin. Also Golden Sun could fall into GBA section but we know the chance of it happening is pretty low.
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for Isaac.
No, I don't think he's getting in.
Edit: Technically, you could say Wario should be in the GBA era for WarioWare but eh.
Beelzebufo
Banned
If Rhythm heaven gets a character, it's a series that originated in the gamecube/GBA era, even if the character didn't. I'd also include Wario in that era.
Lord_Byron28
Member
meh her animation in Brawl looked terrible like an N64 game. I think this is a notable improvement even if a few parts if it look bad in a different way.
The thing I dont get is what players is he worried about offending? Few play as him because he is god awful. People use Bowser, Yoshi, Pit, Roy and Mewtwo more than they used Ganondorf and they got dramatically altered or cut.
I was specifying origin because certain characters like Pit, Zelda and Wario I was stumped on what we to place them in because Zelda's moveset is almost entirely based on OoT, Wario is heavily inspired by Wario Ware and Pit's character and moveset resembles Uprising more than any other game he was in.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
That list is by character.
Lord_Byron28
Member
I was doing it based on character or else we would start including Ganondorf in the NES era since his character is from a series that originated in the NES era.