NPD Sales Results for April 2014 [Up2: XB1/360 hardware, PS4 #1/XB1 #2 best selling]

DarkLordMalik said:
More like give them blue balls, which a lot of these insiders usually do with their teases.
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I don't really see it as a brag. Either way I don't really care. I'm excited for E3 regardless.

Principate said:
However the fact remains that the PS4 somehow by the shear degree of it's bombing doing is worse than it in Japan launch alligned and XB1 low sales in the US speak more negatively about the state of those consoles than the opposite. Everyone knows the wii u is dead. It's like if for whatever reason you get outsold by the Vita.

Then you know things are bad.
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Honestly mist of the market contraction is from Nintendo.

April 2006:

360: 295k
PS2: 260k
XB+GCN: 70k

Total: 625k

April 2007:

360: 174k
PS3: 82k
PS2: 194k

Total: 450k

April 2014:

PS4: 200k
XB1: 115k
360: 70k
PS3: 50k (estimate)

Total: 435k

Apart from the utter implosion of Nintendo hardware, I think theres nothing to worry about.
This is just one month and each month has varying factors that come into play (for instance March 2014 was BIG for obvious reasons). Yearly sales give a better idea.
 
Sid said:
As of now it's doing better than all last gen consoles right?
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Right now but most sales in games industry tend to become more frontish loaded ease of marketing, internet age, easier communication to dedicated fans and all that.Ideally it needs to keep a high pace if XB1 does prove to have a significant drop from it's predecessor.
 
Holy fuck at these Nintendo sales. Their ENTIRE HW combined is lower than PS4?

Also I guess PS4 crossed 3M this months.

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Eusis said:
Hmm, guess that's just in line with the consoles that dominate the US, Wii surprise dominance aside anyway. Well, notably lower but that was without competition similar to 360, so it could be seen as taking a third of that number.

I guess this generation will probably stay the course, though as noted that probably isn't good with the numbers they want to push. Funnily enough had the Wii had a similar demographic WITH those sales that'd absolutely be the place to have put the AAA budget games and beena s viable if not moreso than ever.
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The problem is that PS2 didn't have the bombastic start PS4 had. I mean, great start, and also supply costrained (right), but PS4 is slowing much faster now that it's in stock. As said by others, it's certainly not a bad April, far from it. But it's "just" good, in a quite depressed context, instead of being "very" good (like...PS2's first April), it didn't sell so much to balance Wii U and One's bad numbers.
 
Psycho_Mantis said:
I don't really see it as a brag. Either way I don't really care. I'm excited for E3 regardless.



Honestly mist of the market contraction is from Nintendo.

April 2006:

360: 295k
PS2: 260k
XB+GCN: 70k

Total: 625k

April 2007:

360: 174k
PS3: 82k
PS2: 194k

Total: 450k

April 2014:

PS4: 200k
XB1: 115k
360: 70k
PS3: 50k (estimate)

Total: 435k

Apart from the utter implosion of Nintendo hardware, I think theres nothing to worry about.
This is just one month and each month has varying factors that come into play (for instance March 2014 was BIG for obvious reasons). Yearly sales give a better idea.
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Even that shows a significant drop off from first April of the generation, ignoring Nintendo.

Admittedly that could just be the PS2 being a beast.
 
1st Course said:
PS2 first 6 months

Oct 2000 - 391k
Nov 2000 - 188k
Dec 2000 - 522k
Jan 2001 - 248k
Feb 2001 - 233k
Mar 2001 - 547k

LTD: 2.13m
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So, I suppose PS2 was heavily supply constrained for the first few months, right? Otherwise, March number can't be explained: it must have been when stock was plenty.
 
115k are indeed poor numbers, but I can't say that I'm surprised.

With the obligatory kinect, many people could see the writing on the wall that the XB1 would take a financial hit. This is one of those 'vision versus reality' scenarios we've seen far too often, where the initial vision doesn't resonate well with consumers. It comes to no surprise that the XB1 has performed worse than XB360 has ever done in the month of April. MS has been bullish with defending kinect, but with the negative feedback and the disappointing sales numbers, MS are showing that they're going to play it safe rather than to continue gambling. The difference between Sony and MS this gen has been that the former has played it easy, and has successfully taken advantage of the other two competitor's shortcoming by giving gamers exactly what they want.

Anyhow, MS is starting to turn the ship around. There's going to be some grim times financially for them ahead of E3, as the announcement of providing a kinectless SKU is going to hurt the numbers even more for May, but they'll slowly build that up. MS needs to have a very successful E3, one that I'm very confident that they'll be able to present. With Spencer heading the division, we know that most of the decisions are going to be made with gamers and gaming in mind, rather than people in suits who thinks they've got it all figured out.
 
JoeTheBlow said:
You either weren't alive during the PS2 era, or you've mentally blocked it out in order to stay in the stage you're in.
The PS4 is already beyond last gen and no-one is now saying there is any problem with contraction, except MS/Nintendo fans.
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Your assuming the PS4 will sell 150 million consoles. That's a big assumption essentially considering it's dead in Japan and will likely sell less than the PS3 there. (Japan made up 10 million of the PS3's sales).

Selling faster doesn't necessarily mean you'll sell more overall.
 
Thinking about it, I fear all hardware combined are < Wii numbers in April 2008. Is that correct? XD
 
Aquamarine said:
Don't forget about the disgusting deceit. Thousands of people look at this:

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And they get deceived into thinking this is real sales.

I know way too much about the site and its methodology for my own good. And it's all a bunch of lies and nonsense. Those numbers you see there...they are pretty much gibberish.
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Out of interest are the numbers actually that close between PS4/X1?
 
Principate said:
No ones downplaying this. They're looking at the bigger picture. If the PS4 ends up the only healthy console and sells at the normal rate of a single last gen console, the industry's going to experience a further significant contraction.

See 3DS. It kicked the Vita's ass all the way to china town but things aren't rosy for it because that industry is experiencing a massive contraction. Simply beating your direct opponent isn't everything.



My expectation was for the PS4 to make up for the abysmal sales of the XB1 during the month. 199k while definitely in line with high popular last gen consoles really does not do that. Why I have that expectation or rather hope is so we don't see a significant contraction where the PS4 sells on par with the 360 and everything else sells comparatively like crap (which means a large market contraction..
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In terms of console units sold i think a contraction this gen in US is inevitable. You had both 360 and Wii above 40 million units with the Wii pulling in a lot of people who i believe wouldn't normally buy a console. You even had PS3 clawing back to high 20 something millions. That was never going to repeat once the Wii U failed to grab the zeitgeist again.

The loss of the extended Wii install base is never going to be filled. The question is just how big the drop will be IMHO. PS4 looks like it will do fine but XB1 is seriously wavering and Wii U is clearly going to end up way lower than Wii.

This doesn't mean a market failure automatically though - more likely simply showing last gen in US was a rarely to be repeated high due in large part to the odd mix of Wii selling huge but having a short lifespan at viable levels with the 360 selling huge with an enormously spread lifespan and Ps3 selling well enough as the former brand leader that still had solid appeal.

One things for sure though - Kinect is dead. MS are going to be way to busy rescuing XB1 without it and other developers will drop it like a rock now IMO. Its going to be and odd memory soon as it can clearly play no part in MS recovery. Hell recent Spencer quotes seem to imply Rare will be removed from having to support it and free to make non Kinect games.

As for PS4 its looking very solid. InFamous did its job and now they need to match PS3 approach of getting a solid production line of exclusives flowing alongside the big multi-0platform games to make PS4 a very tough beast for MS to dislodge.

Jesus though i wish US would wake up to what a terrific gaming device the Vita is - its only home to one of the best and most innovative new IP this gen and almost no one's even going to play it in US. The horror the horror.
 
Jack cw said:
That is true. The pattern is very similar only with higher numbers but if this continues even after E3 and the pricecut, I seriously think that we should reduce some LTD expectations for xbone. That thing is basically dead outside US and even UK is rejecting it.
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is this the first big generation launch where social media is huge? I wonder if that could have any effect in amplifying negative word of mouth on both WiiU and Xbox one, stifling demand?
 
John Harker said:
Yea big holder. 90k Or so.

Should I get it?
Only Yoshi island I haven't played
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Thank you very much. So it's about 225k now in the US, together with the great performance in Europe I get the impression this should already be a profitable game for Nintendo. Considering the last number of YIDS in the US I know are about a million, it's still far off the predecessor, but that was to be expected with the 2D platformer genre massively contracting on 3DS compared to DS (judging by NSMB). Too bad we usually don't get any updates later on, I'd (naturally) love to see how this game ends up at the end of the year, if it can get up to 500k - which would be my ideal situation considering the reviews and the strong competition in the genre.

Regarding the game itself: if you liked both Yoshi's Islands before you will like Yoshi's New Island, too. Where YIDS went for the bigger, more difficult levels, Yoshis New Island is quite a bit easier (not extremely easy though, there are some nasty levels) and has more condensed levels. In my opinion the only thing really going against Yoshi's New Island from a gameplay perspective is that it's just more of the same. Some nice and creative level design and the great base mechanics make it a very fun game though.
 
Mpl90 said:
So, I suppose PS2 was heavily supply constrained for the first few months, right? Otherwise, March number can't be explained: it must have been when stock was plenty.
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You couldn't find a PS2 for what seemed like FOREVER at the time...as a 15 year old kid buying his first console with his own money...it was excruciating lol
 
Psycho_Mantis said:
PS4 is thrashing XB1 in EU.
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I think a lot of people don't really see the influence of this fact regarding the Xb1. The market is big and shouldn't be underestimated, but clearly tends towards the PS4 at the moment. As a game publisher I'd consider releasing my game on a platform which is more mass compatible in more countries.

Edit: just some German numbers on Amazon: PS4 bundle with Killzone is number 4 in the games ranking, Xbox One with Titanfall 110.
 
EGM1966 said:
In terms of console units sold i think a contraction this gen in US is inevitable. You had both 360 and Wii above 40 million units with the Wii pulling in a lot of people who i believe wouldn't normally buy a console. You even had PS3 clawing back to high 20 something millions. That was never going to repeat once the Wii U failed to grab the zeitgeist again.

The loss of the extended Wii install base is never going to be filled. The question is just how big the drop will be IMHO. PS4 looks like it will do fine but XB1 is seriously wavering and Wii U is clearly going to end up way lower than Wii.

This doesn't mean a market failure automatically though - more likely simply showing last gen in US was a rarely to be repeated high due in large part to the odd mix of Wii selling huge but having a short lifespan at viable levels with the 360 selling huge with an enormously spread lifespan and Ps3 selling well enough as the former brand leader that still had solid appeal.

One things for sure though - Kinect is dead. MS are going to be way to busy rescuing XB1 without it and other developers will drop it like a rock now IMO. Its going to be and odd memory soon as it can clearly play no part in MS recovery. Hell recent Spencer quotes seem to imply Rare will be removed from having to support it and free to make non Kinect games.

As for PS4 its looking very solid. InFamous did its job and now they need to match PS3 approach of getting a solid production line of exclusives flowing alongside the big multi-0platform games to make PS4 a very tough beast for MS to dislodge.

Jesus though i wish US would wake up to what a terrific gaming device the Vita is - its only home to one of the best and most innovative new IP this gen and almost no one's even going to play it in US. The horror the horror.
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Well yeah wii sales are lost cause so they'll be a massive contraction either way but I hope at least the core 160 million stays constant at least. (that's world wide I don't know what combined sales the PS3 and 360 made in the US).
 
Oldsql said:
I think a lot of people don't really see the influence of this fact regarding the Xb1. The market is big and shouldn't be underestimated, but clearly tends towards the PS4 at the moment. As a game publisher I'd consider releasing my game on a platform which is more mass compatible in more countries.
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that platform is probably going to be ps4 and xbox one, because why would you ignore a userbase in the millions if it's not going to be too costly to make a multiplatform game.
 
AniHawk said:
that platform is probably going to be ps4 and xbox one, because why would you ignore a userbase in the millions if it's not going to be too costly to make a multiplatform game.
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I agree, but the biggest selling point of these consoles are there exclusive games. If nearly all of the games will be multiplatform, people will decide to buy the PS4 version because of better resolution or framrates. If Microsoft can't fix that gap or make it so small that customer don't care, that would change the situation completely. Till then...
 
Oldsql said:
I think a lot of people don't really see the influence of this fact regarding the Xb1. The market is big and shouldn't be underestimated, but clearly tends towards the PS4 at the moment. As a game publisher I'd consider releasing my game on a platform which is more mass compatible in more countries.

Edit: just some German numbers on Amazon: PS4 bundle with Killzone is number 4 in the games ranking, Xbox One with Titanfall 110.
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Yup. In fact for Playstation is just as big if not even bigger than the NA market.

You potentially looking at:

PS4: 110k weekly
XB1: 40k weekly

Which goes in line with

PS4: 3 million sold Jan-Mar
XB1: 1.2 million shipped Jan-Mar
 
Principate said:
Well yeah wii sales are lost cause so they'll be a massive contraction either way but I hope at least the core 160 million stays constant at least. (that's world wide I don't know what combined sales the PS3 and 360 made in the US).
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I posted this before. Even though the perception is that since the ps2 the market shrunk, it has not. And the reason for the constant total growth changed reularly. Nintendo always decreased from the NES with the exception of the Wii. I would not expect much greater sales than from the gamecube because it seems this is the "true" market for nintendo consoles.

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Edit: I just noticed this is the first time there is no new contender in three consecutive generations.
 
mrklaw said:
is this the first big generation launch where social media is huge? I wonder if that could have any effect in amplifying negative word of mouth on both WiiU and Xbox one, stifling demand?
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This is actually possible... Facebook in 2005 was only a year old. Twitter wouldn't exist until 2006. There was no social media as we know it back when 360, PS3, and Wii if we define it as Facebook and Twitter.
 
SighFight said:
I posted this before. Even though the perception is that since the ps2 the market shrunk, it has not. And the reason for the constant total growth changed reularly. Nintendo always decreased from the NES with the exception of the Wii. I would not expect much greater sales than from the gamecube because it seems this is the "true" market for nintendo consoles.

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Edit: I just noticed this is the first time there is no new contender in three consecutive generations.
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People always neglect that 50M of the PS2's total shipments were sold during the 7th gen. The amount of consoles sold during the last 7-8 years is more in the realm of 310M.
 
BOMBA SOULS

Three Lego games charted in April (and also Minecraft). Whoever decided to get serious with that franchise and focus on property tie-ins must be a very rich man by now.
 
shinra-bansho said:
People always neglect that 50M of the PS2's total shipments were sold during the 7th gen.
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Indeed and though PS360 will not do that together it must still be noted. However the Ps2 cycle was shorter than the PS360 cycle.

EDIT: I see what your doing. Your taking generation as a time span while others are taking it as a set of consoles.
 
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