It's not just "some" negative nancies, dude. Everybody that's played the game is making the same comments.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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It's not just "some" negative nancies, dude. Everybody that's played the game is making the same comments.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Even if that was remotely close to eat he was talking about, Smash run isn't in Smash U.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Not everybody, just a lot.
Yeah, I missed the U. But I did mention custom attributes which is in U and that could be used to make your fighter fighter.
I really don't know why people keep posting this other than the fact that they don't want to hear that the new smash needs some changes to make it a better competitive game.
He flatout says that his preferred strategy in the games is to run away and camp because he doesn't have any technical skill at the game, why on earth would you believe what he says to be positive from a competitive stand point?
80% of what he says makes the game sound worse so it baffles me that I keep hearing "wow I'm not so worried now after hearing this"
"Is this fun or entertaining? Maybe not. But that's secondary to winning!"
Yeah this is really the opinion you want to look to for the new smash.
I haven't been following all the feedback but the little I've seen seems to vary. What comment is everybody making?
Beelzebufo
Banned
Well in that case, it's not remotely close to what he was talking about.
Among other things, the main problem seems to be that most characters have way too much lag after using moves.
The bolded part is the problem a lot of people are having with the game.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm saying that I found his opinions interesting, and I think you should chill out and let people read whatever they want.
Variably, the landing lag, long move animations, the fanservice in Palutena's intro movie, Greninja's lack of raccoon ears, Zelda being nerfed, and percieved hostility towards the competitive community.
I'm just depressed about how likely Shulk is to be in.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/3ds/index.html
They updated the main site with info on Online and Smash Run.
falconxcrunner09
Member
This smash fest line is insane! I arrived 40 minutes early and there was 135 people in front of me. Who should I play as!? I can't decide!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
The main problems are currently this:
-No dash dancing
-Increased landing lag on aerials
-Broken DI/No SDI
There's a couple of other things like the lack of shield stun and weird knockback scaling, but those are the main barriers the game currently faces.
And all I'm saying is that his opinions are terrible and constantly posting it in a "look guys it's not going to be so bad, this guy said so!" manner without actually understanding what it is he's actually saying is getting really annoying.
friskykillface
Banned
Line will be worse due to weekend foot traffic so RIP to those that want to play in less then an hour
I just want to get more pins and swag but can't make it
I just want to get more pins and swag but can't make it
falconxcrunner09
Member
:'(Ike?
TheSlySoul
Member
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rZCqemuFMLinky?
I looked through his vids and stuff but couldn't find one specifically for smash
Number 1 choice if you want to skip it.
I am disappointed Greg chose Evolve as #1, but what can you do?
That sounds crazy
Geminosity
Member
As dull as Shulk is compared to pretty much anyone else from his game (such a good supporting cast; Any one of them would've made a more interesting protagonist
), I still think him getting in is less despair inducing than Chrom bolstering the blue-haired male sword-lord ranks. I'm sure he's a nice guy but holy heck we could use some aesthetic diversity from the Fire Emblem camp XDAlso, you forgot to add framerate, megaman's general balance and villager's bowling ball to the complaints list :3
If nothing's changed, this game's tournament scene is going to be top-heavy like Brawl's, isn't it
ArchedThunder
Banned
As dull as Shulk is compared to pretty much anyone else from his game (such a good supporting cast; Any one of them would've made a more interesting protagonist
Also, you forgot to add framerate, megaman's general balance and villager's bowling ball to the complaints list :3
I don't care that all the Fire Emblem reps are blue haired swordsmen, they all fight differently, look different and wear completely different clothing.
Geminosity
Member
Some people were complaining it didn't lay enough smackdown for the amount of setup it required (Basically you're supposed to shovel them into the ground first so they can't dodge it. I saw a lot of people trying to use it naked in the E3 footage which was predictably not a very good tactic
)I'm not one of those people though: I've not played the game so I can't really have an opinion on this :/
Ah the E3 top ten! I was expecting a dedicated vid like they've done for a lot of the other games. Thankies though, I'll check it out for a giggle :3
TheSlySoul
Member
So the 5 bad and 30 positive I heard means everyone thinks it is bad? K!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm pretty sure that almost all of us in smashgaf have common sense to understand what he meant and make out of his impressions. I always found it interesting to see different kind of mental game plays.
That's probably why Wii Fit Trainer were camping out a lot at Smash Tournament because that player believed in that kind of gameplay might be better for Smash 4, "I guess."
I have a feeling that the point of the aerial landing lags is trying to encoring the players to be more precise with their aerial attacks to evolve the "Bounce meta game." I noticed that few people that are being precise with their aerial attack and knocked out their opponents with aerial attack which would send them to bounce to death. I have seen Donkey Kong and Mario's Fair send the opponent from air to the ground then bounced from the ground to ceiling which proceed to knock them out of the game.
I wonder if Sakurai intent to make bounce-kills a part of next meta game. I have seen it happened like few times.
Edited: I'm not THAT competitive as some players out there, but I love to play 1 vs 1 serious matches but I just can't help but pondering if bounce kill is going to be next main thing in Smash 4.
Let hope that Ganondorf's down aerial attack isn't nerfed because I think I could trying to go for bounce kills with that move.
As dull as Shulk is compared to pretty much anyone else from his game (such a good supporting cast; Any one of them would've made a more interesting protagonist
Also, you forgot to add framerate, megaman's general balance and villager's bowling ball to the complaints list :3
Chrom's a decent character and a good if desperate husbando, but I agree that he's pretty unnecessary in the context of Smash.
Shulk, however...
Shulk inhabits a category of protagonist only shared by Nowe and Edge Maverick. A cliched and stagnant character whose only purpose is to bend the narrative around his boring, predictable arc and suck any trace of interest from the story as a whole. Characters, plot devices and scenarios have their potential squandered so that this hideously boring creature can cover the camera lens. And when the rest of Xenoblade is so strong, and the setting fairly interesting, having a character like that monopolising the narrative is disastrous. One of the things I'm happiest with in X is the confirmation of a silent protagonist; which would make an open sewer in human form like Shulk less likely.
...At least he'll be easy to create a fun moveset for. Chrom's only hope is the possibility of being a paired-up, stance/class-changing or assist-based fighter.
He only asked for speed. Not physics or move or whatever to make it more like Melee. So upping a characters speed surely would make the game feel faster. How is that not close?
No problem. Chrom can use Lances in his Great Lord form, so i'm sure Sakurai could incorporate that into his gameplay to differentiate him from the rest of the swordies.
(Looks at Ike's moveset)
Chrom is doomed.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Directional Influence
Smash Directional Influence
I'm not that great with describing what it is but I'm going to let someone take over for me.
Geminosity
Member
DI is just being able to alter your trajectory after you've been put into a recoil/tumble state by a hit by holding a direction on your movement stick.
SDI is 'smash' DI... if you can press a direction at a specific time (I think it's just as you're hit?) You change your trajectory from the hit quite considerably compared to what you can do with normal DI.
I believe that's accurate enough, someone can feel free to correct me if it's not exactly right :3
PorygonVandal
Member
Can somebody link me to the reactions of Palutena's #teamfake vs #teamreal meltdowns when she was revealed? Thanks!
Posters in that thread said there are deals on the Skylander and Disney Infinity toys. We can expect the same here.
Well, from third party sellers at least. Lol.
They did not just make her even scarier while toning Marf the fuck down... ;____;
I don't want to come across as being offensive here but literally none of this makes sense, "bounce meta-game" isn't a thing.
Hitting a character so that they bounce off the ground and get KO'd isn't some kind of meta game, it's just something that happens if you hit them with a spike at a high enough percentage for them to bounce upwards.
It might encourage people to be more precise with their aerials, but what's the point if going in with an aerial when, at best, you'll hit them but the landing lag is too high to actually do a followup attack and at worst, you'll either whiff or get blocked and the landing lag will be high enough for an easy punish.
Again, not wanting to be offensive, but if you don't know much/don't care about the competitive scene then posting about how you think things are positive changes for competitive smash is really annoying, especially if it's already been posted several times in the thread, I wouldn't be so mad if it was the first time it popped up.
The "meta-game" for this current smash is just going to be stalling/camping around until the other person fucks up enough for a punish and then you repeat, the guy literally says that he plays to win and that is the best strategy and he doesn't care if it's not fun or exciting.
We just want competitive smash to be exciting for both the players and the spectators.
TheSlySoul
Member
Seeing the lines and not feeling well is making me be rational about not driving to Mobile for just Smash. Hope people playing it today have fun!
TheSlySoul
Member
Pretty much. Although you have to collect more in Smash since only class counted for the first Skylander. The best chance is buy a few at full price and wait for sales for characters you do not really play.
friskykillface
Banned
I hope every powerful character gets nerfed and the original 8 minus fox become gods
But I do hope Yoshi is good this time around, he's the best
But I do hope Yoshi is good this time around, he's the best
English isn't Heath's native language, just FYI.
I think the main concept of the 3DS game coming out sooner is not to make it used in tournaments because it won't due to the screensize, but more to get people used to the characters and physics for when the Wii U version comes out.
Gives pros especially more practice time if they want it so tournaments could necessarily start on day1.
Gives pros especially more practice time if they want it so tournaments could necessarily start on day1.
Oh, ok.
Sorry Heath if I didn't understand what you meant by "bounce meta-game", but my point about aerials still stands.
Also another gem from that guy:
He just sounds like an ass to me, he finds cheap easy ways to win and he's fine with it, that's not what's so great about competitive smash.
The Great Gonzales
Member
That seems like a problem with the player, not the game. Every sport/game will have that one player who uses the effective-yet-lame tactic, whose desire for victory comes at the expense of a good show. I trust that most of the competitive community can find strategies that are both viable and make for exciting matches. As for those who just stall the whole time - it's a pretty weak excuse to say, "the game makes me play that way!"
EDIT:
Couldn't have said it better myself.
But if a game is completely in favour of defensive play to the point where it's the best strategy, that's all that will happen in tournaments when money is on the line.
If the game rewards defensive play more than offensive or doesn't have some form of balance between the two, then it's definitely a fault of the game, not the player.