Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach

Smash 3DS

- It feels too early. Camera zoom out at maximum makes the characters barely visible. Hard to identify who you are.
- Framerate issues. Most the time it was running at 45 FPS, dropping a little below and maybe hitting 60 here and there. I watched some 60 fps DSLR footage I took of the screen and saw there was some hanging frames, so it wasn't just me.
+ Looks good when camera is up close. Lots of detail, new stages are really fun.
- Single player mode has the biggest issues with framerate. Tons of enemies, huge level, 3DS seemed to chug at times with too much action.
- Desperatly want alternate control options. The 3DS analog -sucks- for this game. I often times wished the D-pad could be made functional in a way.

Totally makes sense why the 3DS version is no longer Summer. It needs work.

Strange, I had literally NONE of these issues. Could certain characters and moves effect this? My only critisism is that the analog stick is too sensitive. The line between tilts and smashing is WAY too thin. It results in many of my smash moves becoming stale too quickly. Way more impressed with the 3DS version, Wii U version is a hot mess to me, colors are too bright, too flash and too chaotic, as said before me and many other players lost track of our characters, fell off the stage et. In Brawl and Melee, I had a much better and easier time surveying the stages for what was going on. The flashes and over the top animations actually distract from the combat to me. Since the colors on the 3DS are duller it helps. That small amount of tune down to the limits of the hardware seem to keep it from getting way to crazy.
 
I wonder if customization is one of reason why they decided to nix transformation characters and split them up so it would make it more simple for us to use customization move sets for characters.

We could get another Smash Bros. Direct a few weeks before the 3DS version launches with a few more details and a final newcomer reveal.

I definitely can see that.
 
Just remembered, the mode at the end of my Smash Run was called High Fly Smash, where sash attacks (and maybe others) make you fly crazy far in addition to the boosts you already have.

Just in case you wanted to know Intelliheath
 
I think smash4 is gonna go to evo.

You think NoA would actually bring a build to EVO? I kind of doubt it. We're a week away from MLG Anaheim and SolidJake said when Melee was initially announced to be there that Nintendo was going to be involved with it in some way. And... here we are, no announcement of whatever that was meant to be lol.
 
Another note.

Heavy characters feel naturally buffed in Smash 4.

Since there feels to be a lot of recovery added to all the small/medium sized roster, I didn't get this when playing DK/Bowser, who feel awfully similar (speed wise) to previous versions.

Kind of weird how everyone else gets nerfed, making the big guys probably pretty good. They just felt really easy to use now.
 
I wonder if customization is one of reason why they decided to nix transformation characters and split them up so it would make it more simple for us to use customization move sets for characters.
I think this is a large reason, yeah. Although I think the equipment would be a larger problem then the custom movesets would. Modifying the speed and power of the individual characters is probably much better than doing it for combined characters.
 
That makes sense too, but I think Mario Kart DLC and veteran reveals would get the job done, along with games like Hyrule Warriors. They could also put up the character pages for hidden characters up on the site (but hidden) when the game comes up in Japan, and just link to the videos there.
Yeah, that's also possible. I see a lot of ways the remaining reveals could shake out. For example, they could do one newcomer a month leading up to launch, or instead maintain momentum and hype with lots of veterans. I'm just inclined to think we'll see the newcomers before launch due to each having their own announcement trailer and those trailers being more impactful if the character isn't already confirmed beforehand.
 
Anyone here care to predict who the tourney mainstays will main?

I get the feeling we might see KDJ go nuts with some of the new rushdown folks entering the scene. I keep thinking he'll pick up Greninja and make life hell for folks.

My big prediction is someone is going to make Palutena fucking monstrous out there. I just get the feeling she has the kind of moveset that takes awhile to unlock but once its there...the fury.
 
You think NoA would actually bring a build to EVO? I kind of doubt it. We're a week away from MLG Anaheim and SolidJake said when Melee was initially announced to be there that Nintendo was going to be involved with it in some way. And... here we are, no announcement of whatever that was meant to be lol.

Sakurai doesn't even have to be there, a surprise announcement at evo. They ave some playable builds, maybe a returning vet people liked like captain falcon , or falco or whatever. They get to play it a bit, get some feed back they dip and so on and so forth.

Hey maybe they could even bring it to comic con?
 
I really don't see Nintendo making money off of previously cut characters compared to new ones. You're going to have limited interest with say Lucas DLC compared to like Dixie for a example.
 
My big prediction is someone is going to make Palutena fucking monstrous out there. I just get the feeling she has the kind of moveset that takes awhile to unlock but once its there...the fury.
I think she's already shown off some powerful mojo in her trailer. I don't doubt that she'll be good. I'd love to see her regularly in higher level play, at least. Just not... too regularly.
 
I've been looking for all the alt costumes for a while, it's a shame more haven't been posted.

the fact yellow/blue luigi is being repped from that old Japanese cartoon is wonderful

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Swedish flag Luigi is best Luigi.
 
  • Sakurai balances Melee on his lonesome and it is the best thing ever.
  • Sakurai has 12 people for Smash 4 and it is the most stupid decision possible because he should have more.

Like this guy criticises Sakurai for apparently not listening to himself and yet he's doing the same thing. Then again it sounds like Sakurai's response to the 'If I beat you will you let me balance the game' guy upset him as well (calls Sakurai stubborn for that). Could this be that guy? But overall I stopped taking this guy seriously when he started whining about Smash being described as a party game. Does he forget that Melee was one too? I mean it has an item called the party ball! It's all about the parties with your favourite Nintendo characters!

I don't know if the guy in that video is the same guy who got publicly owned by Sakurai, but I was at the roundtable and that moment was easily the best of E3 for me, the actual games be damned (even as amazing as Smash Wii U was!). Sakurai could have been polite and shrugged off the question, but he took the chance to embarrass that asshole in front of the whole room and I'm so glad he did (and so was everyone else in the room, based on the applause and cheers). It was so gratifying to see him get his comeuppance for being so disrespectful and wasting someone else's chance at a legitimate question.

To make matters even better, Bill Trinen confiscated his Invitational voting book on the way out since when he stood up, he made it clear he had taken one out of the Nokia Theater (which you weren't supposed to do). So much win and karmic justice in the span of just a few minutes!
 
The Smash fanbase is the only place I see "competitive" and "casual" play being treated as mutually exclusive, as if any move to cater to one instantly means depriving the other of something. It's really weird.

I think a huge part of it is a lack of understanding.

It isn't simply, "why can't Sakurai cater to both crowds evenly LIKE MELEE?"
 
I don't know if the guy in that video is the same guy who got publicly owned by Sakurai, but I was at the roundtable and that moment was easily the best of E3 for me, the actual games be damned (even as amazing as Smash Wii U was!). Sakurai could have been polite and shrugged off the question, but he took the chance to embarrass that asshole in front of the whole room and I'm so glad he did (and so was everyone else in the room, based on the applause and cheers). It was so gratifying to see him get his comeuppance for being so disrespectful and wasting someone else's chance at a legitimate question.

To make matters even better, Bill Trinen confiscated his Invitational voting book on the way out since when he stood up, he made it clear he had taken one out of the Nokia Theater (which you weren't supposed to do). So much win and karmic justice in the span of just a few minutes!

Good to know that. I found him very rude for what he had done at roundtable. I'm glad that he got fully owned by Sakurai and Trinen.
 
Imagine this reveal schedule:

JULY:

Newcomer: Chrom
Veteran: Ice Climbers
Veteran: Squirtle
Veteran: Ivysaur
Veteran: R.O.B.
Veteran: Wario

AUGUST:

Newcomer: Shulk
Veteran: Mr. G&W
Veteran: Jigglypuff
Veteran: Ness
Veteran: Falco
Veteran: Wolf

SEPTEMBER:

Newcomer: Chorus Men
Veteran: Captain Falcon
Veteran: Meta Knight
Veteran: Ganondorf
Veteran: Mewtwo
Veteran: Snake

Just start bombarding us with veterans each week and newcomer reveals each month, starting next month to maintain E3 momentum during the dry spell leading up to launch.

I don't expect this to happen, but man would it be awesome. Imagine the hype with that September lineup. :-)
 
An Inkling is my most wanted DLC character, but I'm worried that Splatoon might be too new. It's possible that Sakurai will just include characters he didn't have time to include on the disc as DLC.
Let's say Splatoon comes out May 2015. Imagine a reveal trailer for a DLC character in Smash, Inkling. Would be a great way to promote a new IP and help it hit the ground running (or swimming in ink, as the case may be)!
 
Let's say Splatoon comes out May 2015. Imagine a reveal trailer for a DLC character in Smash, Inkling. Would be a great way to promote a new IP and help it hit the ground running (or swimming in ink, as the case may be)!

Not gonna lie...it'd be a MUST BUY for me. Splatoon looks fucking amazing. If Inkling made it in I'd be there day 1 buying the Amiibo. Hell any new Nintendo game like this should launch with an Amiibo.
 
Went to Best Buy to try to play. Nope. Line was wrapped around the store and I wasn't waiting for that.

I went in and watched a match though, it looked fantastic.

I got super lucky.

I waited like 20mins, and got to play the 3DS and Wii U versions about 5mins of each other.

EDIT: Thanks Florida thunderstorms!
 
It releases September 13th in Japan and I think by now we know what clock all the reveals are set to.
Whoa, I had no idea it was coming out in Japan in September!! :-D

Guess this would accelerate my hypothetical schedule, lol

Surprise October Line-Up:

DLC: Bayonetta

And then it was the best game ever.
I so badly want Bayonetta to be in it, but I'm not expecting it

...although I'm not ruling it out, either
 
I suppose a launch trailer could knock out a sizable chunk of the remaining characters while introducing a new one. There's my solution for September! :-)

Man, just imagine the hype...
 
Different people. Also, the person who asked Sakurai that question at the roundtable clarified a day later that he was asking that question in jest (as a joke) and Sakurai gave him that response in a jokey manner as well. He said it was all good because later he actually spoke to Sakurai again after the roundtable seriously asking to have a match with him and Sakurai said, "I'll think about it."

The journalists at the roundtable who covered that question did not give *any* context at all.

There's audio of it out there. It's the most light hearted, jokey exchange I've ever heard.
 
Imagine this reveal schedule:

JULY:

Newcomer: Chrom
Veteran: Ice Climbers
Veteran: Squirtle
Veteran: Ivysaur
Veteran: R.O.B.
Veteran: Wario

AUGUST:

Newcomer: Shulk
Veteran: Mr. G&W
Veteran: Jigglypuff
Veteran: Ness
Veteran: Falco
Veteran: Wolf

SEPTEMBER:

Newcomer: Chorus Men
Veteran: Captain Falcon
Veteran: Meta Knight
Veteran: Ganondorf
Veteran: Mewtwo
Veteran: Snake

Just start bombarding us with veterans each week and newcomer reveals each month, starting next month to maintain E3 momentum during the dry spell leading up to launch.

I don't expect this to happen, but man would it be awesome. Imagine the hype with that September lineup. :-)
Where's Pichu?
 
Casual players are not dumb. Hell I'm casual and one of my favourite character choices in Random. It's not exactly hard to remember a bunch of directional moves. The problem with transformation was they were not always desirable. Samus to ZSS meant I could never use her final smash if I wanted to stay in one form (final smashes being something you won't get in a tournament). Pokémon Trainer's main mechanic forced you to keep switching even if you only like playing as one of the Pokémon (I was never that keen on Charizard for example).

I'm not saying that this has to be an objectively logical reason.

I'm saying that this is it might fit how SAKURAI'S LOGIC works: "3 characters in one is confusing for beginning players, so I'll take them out."

This is, after all, the dude who didn't want Mii characters in Brawl because of violence and doesn't want Mii characters online in Smash 4 because of bullying.

I don't think he operates on the same logic as most of us.
 
I'm worried that the 3DS version will keep us from getting DLC and balance patches. Can the 3DS even do patches? Didn't they have to update the entire OS to fix Mario Kart?
 
Also, the person who asked Sakurai that question at the roundtable clarified a day later that he was asking that question in jest (as a joke) and Sakurai gave him that response in a jokey manner as well. He said it was all good because later he actually spoke to Sakurai again after the roundtable seriously asking to have a match with him and Sakurai said, "I'll think about it."

I don't know if the guy in that video is the same guy who got publicly owned by Sakurai, but I was at the roundtable and that moment was easily the best of E3 for me, the actual games be damned (even as amazing as Smash Wii U was!). Sakurai could have been polite and shrugged off the question, but he took the chance to embarrass that asshole in front of the whole room and I'm so glad he did (and so was everyone else in the room, based on the applause and cheers). It was so gratifying to see him get his comeuppance for being so disrespectful and wasting someone else's chance at a legitimate question.

Hmmm... I wonder which one is the truth. Though Maverick is saying it from his point of view whereas Revven is reporting what the owned one is claiming. I'm inclined to believe Maverick on this since I know if I was in the owned one's shoes I'd try to make myself come off as best as I could.
 
I'm worried that the 3DS version will keep us from getting DLC and balance patches. Can the 3DS even do patches? Didn't they have to update the entire OS to fix Mario Kart?

Mario Kart was a standard patch. The 3DS treats them as DLC, but it can patch games normally. There had to be a system update to enable DLC/patching support, but beyond that the system can handle it all.

Tons of 3DS games have DLC, so that's not a concern either, and now that the system supports NNIDs it's not unreasonable to think they've managed a way to handle crossbuy for stuff like characters.
 
I don't know if the guy in that video is the same guy who got publicly owned by Sakurai, but I was at the roundtable and that moment was easily the best of E3 for me, the actual games be damned (even as amazing as Smash Wii U was!). Sakurai could have been polite and shrugged off the question, but he took the chance to embarrass that asshole in front of the whole room and I'm so glad he did (and so was everyone else in the room, based on the applause and cheers). It was so gratifying to see him get his comeuppance for being so disrespectful and wasting someone else's chance at a legitimate question.

To make matters even better, Bill Trinen confiscated his Invitational voting book on the way out since when he stood up, he made it clear he had taken one out of the Nokia Theater (which you weren't supposed to do). So much win and karmic justice in the span of just a few minutes!

Apparently you missed my post because all of it was jokey. It flew right over your head.

Who is the asshole now?
 
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