I have a feeling Destiny will have a bigger positive impact on PS4 desñite not being exclusive than what Titanfall did for Xbone
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Destiny developer Bungie and Sony have been partners for longer than you think
- Thread starter EL CUCO
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Read the titanfall book by geoff. I wouldn't have touched that studio with a 10 foot pole.
RoyalLaFlame
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So they wanted the developer that created one of the best/profitable franchises ever to "side" with them? No way.
That's exactly what I was expecting.
That's exactly what I was expecting.
Michael F. Assbender
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Can you give a few highlights? Just to whet our appetites for the book (or because some of us are too lazy to read a whole book to get to the secret behind why Sony maybe didn't wanna back Respawn).
MMaRsu
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An interview with our very own GAF member and all around awesome guy Urk! Didnt know that Sony was in talks with Bungie way back then already. Can't blame them really, working exclusively with Microsoft must not have always been as great as being able to develop on other platforms as well.
And the same for Sony as well. Looking at Bungie they are just an amazing developer. The Myth games, Oni and Halo all kick ass. I wish we could get a Oni on next gen..
And the same for Sony as well. Looking at Bungie they are just an amazing developer. The Myth games, Oni and Halo all kick ass. I wish we could get a Oni on next gen..
unempLLOYD
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No doubt.
Off the top of my head
- Multiple meetings just about lawsuit
- Jason left the studio (maybe vince? can't remember)
- No direction for the game
- Switching engines from ratchet and clank to source (Which was a positive)
etc...
Like two bucks on the apple/google store. Good read.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I looked for it (searched for "titanfall" and only strategy guides came up). What's it called?
Titanfall: the final hours. Or something to that effect
Michael F. Assbender
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Found it
To anyone else looking, it's an app, not a book. Or a book that's in the App Store. That's why I couldn't find it. I was looking in the wrong place.
we.are.the.armada
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Damn that's crazy - Sony has been doing things right this gen, so far.
It's frustrating that, on the Apple store, they made it to where you can only read it on the iPad. Really annoying.
DarkJedi24
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They made the right choice.
ShinMaruku
Member
As many said them choosing Bungie was the right choice. The game looks great and while it may seem cheap and silly to a low information consumer who is in droves during the holiday those things become practically exclusives.
FlyStarJay
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No not happening. The partnership is unprecedented. Sony has the sequels and dlc
What are you talking about? Bungie was a wholly owned studio by Microsoft for Halo: CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3. It wasn't a question of not working exclusively, they were MS and MS was Bungie. They then bought themselves back and became independent and then started up talks with Sony, because these days, being multiplatform is the only option for a third party studio.
It's like saying Rare must've been upset that Nintendo forced them to make Nintendo games in the 90's and not allow them to make Playstation games.
Anyone who followed Bungie, knew they would go PS3 as well for Destiny. You could see PS3 hiring notices soon after etc. I don't think it was a question of working with Microsoft as opposed to no longer wanting to keep making Halo games. Also, would you really say Microsoft is worse than Activision, especially after the Infinity Ward fiasco?
How would you quantify that?
If Destiny sells 40% on PS4 and 20-30% on XB1 would that really be better than like 70% TF on XB1 and 0% TF on PS4?
LiquidMetal14
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Was that ever confirmed to all be real? These things always pan out differently as new consoles develop so I would take anything like that leak a while back as solid concrete signed, sealed, delivered finality.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Ha I was trying to think of the dev everyone acted like Sony shunned.
statham
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It wasn't a leak. It was unsealed during the Activision/COD lawsuit. If it was fake I don't see anything to suggest it is otherwise LA Times has a lot to answer for.
This is not longer than I thought. We were hearing that Destiny wasn't even coming to Sony platforms when Activision started getting leaky around their Infinity Ward lawsuit. It makes perfect sense that the Sony platforms got back into the fold once next gen started rolling around.
How is this historical revisionism treating you.
Zampella and West won their lawsuit. Activision was holding unpaid bonuses hostages. Are they supposed to just sit around twiddling their thumbs while they're getting fucked over?
How is this historical revisionism treating you.
Zampella and West won their lawsuit. Activision was holding unpaid bonuses hostages. Are they supposed to just sit around twiddling their thumbs while they're getting fucked over?
FloweryMarston
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for longer than you think, i expected that they were in talks with sony since the days before halo.
Say Destiny sells 10 million copies. Going by Watch Dogs figures (another Sony partnership) 46% PS4, 26% One, that's 4.6 million PS4 copies sold. Titanfall, made by a much smaller studio, would have to move that amount to get the same benefit for Xbox One.
Then again, the difference may be in hardware sales, with people buying consoles to get the "superior" version.
EL CUCO
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Good thing you are. Amazon is listing the PS4/PS3 content exclusive until fall of 2015
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9Y3W/?tag=neogaf0e-20
One is the hot girl who just broke up with your rival on the football team, and the other is your rival's new squeeze who wants to compare your dick sizes.
toastyToast
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That's about as long as you'd think. I expected some side piece action while they were still with Microsoft
pokeystaples
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A whole year of exclusivity! I thought it'd be 6 months.
EL CUCO
Member
That's pretty significant, if you ask me. That and the fact that Sony is publishing Destiny in Japan...
I don't want to be rude but I always feel that this "same vision" thing is pure PR crap. For Sony and Microsoft. What do they even mean by same vision? We like your game so we are going to support it? Because the vision of Sony as a console was to simply make a more powerful console, almost like an update. How is that different from the vision they had on PS3? I don't get it.
Well, best of luck to them. Really want to try destiny.
Well, best of luck to them. Really want to try destiny.
Yup, back in 2012 when the Activision lawsuit thing was held, that one leaked document stated for timed Xbox DLC, and for a Xbox One, and Xbox 360 release in Fall 2013, with a Ps3 and PS4 release in 2014.
Times changed yo
Brad Grenz
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I think the way it probably went was MS was telling people how things were going to be while Sony was asking dev's what they wanted. ReSpawn seems to have interpreted that as evasiveness, but they were pretty badly mismanaged at the time.
SolidSnakex
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I hope Geoff does a Final Hours of Destiny because I think that's probably the only way that we'll find out what went on with that initial Xbox deal. It's very odd that it went from a timed exclusive to Xbox platforms to being heavily associated with the PS4.
SenjutsuSage
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they did it before to mac users with halo
Which means they're about to betray console gamers and go cell phone gaming.
Pseudo judo
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A lot of words and no content in that piece. No specifics on what it was that Bungie wanted to do that lined up so well with Sony's PS4, just some vague pillars metaphor that amounted to nothing at all.
Considering MS's vision for the online space, the pedigree of live which Bungie had a large hand in creating, as well as dedicated servers, it seems to me that Destiny is a vision made for X1.
If Bungie had said that Xbox gamers know their games and their pedigree and now that they are multiplatform they need to cater to Sony gamers to win them over and better guarantee the success of their ambitious, all or nothing title, then that would be story I can believe. They do mention this point as an aside but, in my opinion, that pillars blather is simply a form of mea culpa for Sony fans who they desperately need to buy their game.
Considering MS's vision for the online space, the pedigree of live which Bungie had a large hand in creating, as well as dedicated servers, it seems to me that Destiny is a vision made for X1.
If Bungie had said that Xbox gamers know their games and their pedigree and now that they are multiplatform they need to cater to Sony gamers to win them over and better guarantee the success of their ambitious, all or nothing title, then that would be story I can believe. They do mention this point as an aside but, in my opinion, that pillars blather is simply a form of mea culpa for Sony fans who they desperately need to buy their game.
Microsoft would easily know if their own employees and a studio they own were in talks with their rivals. This isn't a third party studio shopping around then, Bungie was owned by Microsoft. Bungie employees were Microsoft employees. Even if people like to bring up their past history, once Microsoft bought Bungie, Bungie became what a 343 is today. An internal studio. Any potential talks, would have been cause for termination, possibly legal damages not to mention be fruitless, as Microsoft was the final word on anything they did.
Based on the Activision legal documents, it seems like only from late 2012 onwards has there been a huge shift to Sony. Otherwise, the lead platform from conception was the Xbox 360. Remember, Reach shipped in 2010, and they had to have been developing since 09 at the latest. That means for at least 2-3 years they were focused on Xbox 360 but they also had hiring notices for Ps3. Most Bungie fans knew their next game would be multiplatform.
Sony also saw an opportunity to get closer to a former MS studio and the creator of their best IP and took it. I bet Bungie was high up on their list of devs to work with.
I honestly think there's Microsoft fatigue within Bungie, and having a close relationship with Sony is a welcome break from being tied to a 3 game deal with Microsoft (Halo 3, ODST, Reach). Regardless, they've managed their studio well, despite the high-profile problems (like with the game's composer). Sounds like working at Bungie is kind of a chill job.
Sword Of Doom
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You don't need to get so defensive. I think the person was just trying to say that Bungie didn't want to be tied down to a single platform.
SenjutsuSage
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I've said this on here before, but I think Destiny won't be as successful a multi-plat release for PS4 or in general as a release for the other platforms as Watch Dogs was. So far I was pretty much right about Watch Dog's success, and I almost certainly predicted it would be a huge success managing to easily meet, even exceed, Ubisoft's projections.
RedHotChimiChanga
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It wouldn't make sense for Sony to buy Bungie, but if they did, it would be the end of Microsoft.
MS wouldn't be able to use their Halo baby if the baby maker was exclusive to Sony. I can imagine all the Halo fans would have gone over immediately, so it is a good middleground for Sony to have deals with Bungie/Activision.
MS wouldn't be able to use their Halo baby if the baby maker was exclusive to Sony. I can imagine all the Halo fans would have gone over immediately, so it is a good middleground for Sony to have deals with Bungie/Activision.
TheDarkKnight774
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Not defensive at all. Just that many don't seem to realize, this is all a business. Also, what do you mean not tied down to a single platform? Bungie was a Microsoft studio. They are only going to make Microsoft games, and this was known from the outset of when they agreed to be bought in 2000. Most devs don't really care about platforms as opposed to making games they want within their own time lines. Does Naughty Dog get upset that they can only make games for Sony platforms? No. They just want to make some of the best games they can.
It was just a question of Jason Jones wanting to make Destiny, Microsoft wanting them to make more Halo. In the end, they bought themselves back, finished off ODST and Reach and moved on. Microsoft in turn then created 343 Industries to take the series forward. Some people like Frankie, Vic DeLeon and others left to go to 343. Other Bungie employees moved on as well after Reach.
huh? MS owns the Halo IP, Bungie can turn into a pastry shop and it wouldn't affect halo in any way at this point.
Zeuanimals
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Urk: We go back bro, Playstation gamers have been playing Bungie classics since Oni.
Wait, what? It was published by R*? It's strange, Oni was inspired by anime like Ghost in the Shell and it even had an anime art style, then they made a game that's very much associated with America and is sort of the quintessential dudebro shooter.
They need to make an Oni sequel.
RedHotChimiChanga
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It was more Bungie than it was Halo. After 343's Halo 4, I can bet that the Halo fans know they should be following the studio rather the game name.
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