2014 FIFA World Cup |OT4| What can European men do against such reckless heat?

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So if Germany - USA is a draw and Ghana and Portugal is a draw, then USA and Ger advance? What happens if Ghana wins?
 
Acorn said:
Guys, I'm not American but you're too hard on Bradley. He fucked up but he's pretty decent at roma when I've saw him.
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He shouldn't have left Roma, they will play in CL next season and they will have to rotate players. He would have played a lot of matches even as a reserve
 
Des0lar said:
So if Germany - USA is a draw and Ghana and Portugal is a draw, then USA and Ger advance? What happens if Ghana wins?
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Germany and US would each have 5 points, and Ghana would only have 2, and Portugal 1. If Ghana wins they would still only have 4 points.

So a GER - US draw guarantees both advance.
 
Portugal played really well against Spain at the Euros, probably came as close to knocking them out as anyone has during Spain's dynasty. Ronaldo had that 3 on 2 chance at the end of the 90 min, honestly they probably should have won that game.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
Can someone explain why head to head isn't the first tie breaker? Is this a #BecauseFootball thing, or is there an actual and good reason?
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Honestly, I think it's supposed to keep lopsided matches interesting. If goal scoring didn't matter, and you had a group with three decent teams and, say, the Butts Republic of Slow Guys, the three decent teams would all just score a goal on the BRSG and park the bus. Nobody would want to watch those games.

This way, at least everyone is racing to score extra goals, just in case it will be the tiebreaker.

How did the Butts Republic even qualify fucking FIFA
 
Matugi said:
US vs Germany is a classic case of the prisoner's dilemma. Collectively, they would be better off with inaction in that both move on. However, the intangible feeling of pride and momentum would cause both teams to compete against each other. If one team competes and the other doesn't, the team that does gets the extra benefits of pride and momentum while the other team is basically fucked (since Portugal is coming up the rear). However, if both teams compete, then on the meta scale both are negatively affected because until that last second there's the chance that they could be sent home (basically the superposition of soccer)
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Haha yeah this is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the scenarios after the game. First year poli sci ftw I guess.
 
Des0lar said:
So if Germany - USA is a draw and Ghana and Portugal is a draw, then USA and Ger advance? What happens if Ghana wins?
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If Germany and the US draw then they both advance, regardless of what happens in the other game. Ghana and Portugal only have a chance if Germany beats the US or vice versa.
 
Des0lar said:
So if Germany - USA is a draw and Ghana and Portugal is a draw, then USA and Ger advance? What happens if Ghana wins?
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As long as USA and Germany draw it's over. However if Ghana wins and USA loses, then Ghana moves on if it can make up the one goal differential between them and the US. If Ghana wins, say, 1-0 and the US loses 1-0, then it moves onto goal differential among common opponents and I think Ghana wins that in this 1-0 scenario.

In short, it's better if Portugal wins 1-0 because that's a security blanket if the US loses.

EDIT: adjust as seen fit if US beats Germany. Germany has a 4 goal differential over Ghana compared to the US's too, so they're the team that can best afford to lose
 
Des0lar said:
So if Germany - USA is a draw and Ghana and Portugal is a draw, then USA and Ger advance? What happens if Ghana wins?
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If Germany-USA is a draw, it doesn't matter what happens in the other game, they both go through. Ghana or Portugal could win by 10,000 goals and they would still be out.
 
jtb said:
Ronaldo has every right to be pissed. What the fuck was Pepe thinking in that first match?
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He's a fucking caveman. Coaches should know by now that he has such a short fuse. He is a liability and shouldn't even be picked, full stop.

Ronaldo is most likely pissed and disillusioned inside. He's the best there is out there and most everyone around him is a disappointment.
 
please win tomorrow mexico.

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Ela Hadrun said:
Honestly, I think it's supposed to keep lopsided matches interesting. If goal scoring didn't matter, and you had a group with three decent teams and, say, the Butts Republic of Slow Guys, the three decent teams would all just score a goal on the BRSG and park the bus. Nobody would want to watch those games.

This way, at least everyone is racing to score extra goals, just in case it will be the tiebreaker.

How did the Butts Republic even qualify fucking FIFA
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yeah fuck FIFA

wtf are they doing?
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Eh, Croatia will have the 3 best players on the pitch. All things considered they should be favored.
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If this world cup has thought us anything so far is that this is not a names game. Look at Ghana, Costa Rica, USA, Chile, you could arge they have faced teams with better players but still managed to come on top.

This os futbol after all.
 
Matugi said:
As long as USA and Germany draw it's over. However if Ghana wins and USA loses, then Ghana moves on if it can make up the one goal differential between them and the US. If Ghana wins, say, 1-0 and the US loses 1-0, then it moves onto goal differential among common opponents and I think Ghana wins that in this 1-0 scenario.

In short, it's better if Portugal wins 1-0 because that's a security blanket if the US loses.

EDIT: adjust as seen fit if US beats Germany. Germany has a 4 goal differential over Ghana compared to the US's too, so they're the team that can best afford to lose
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I think you are wrong on that first part. If US loses by 1-0 and Ghana wins 1-0 the US would go through since they have scored more total goals (4v3) than Ghana up to this point. They also own the head to head tiebreaker.

There is a good overview of the scenarios here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/upshot/world-cup-2014-group-g-scenarios.html
 
I think tie-breaking beeing goal diff first is fine, but second should be direct confrontation. With it beeing goals scored a defensive team is, in theory, fucked.
 
alterno69 said:
If this world cup has thought us anything so far is that this is not a names game. Look at Ghana, Costa Rica, USA, Chile, you could arge they have faced teams with better players but still managed to come on top.

This os futbol after all.
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Chile's got two of the best players in the world. Ghana and USA haven't really upset anyone yet—they've ground out good results though.

Costa Rica easily the surprise of the tournament though. for me, the surprise isn't so much underdogs over performing as much as big teams completely collapsing like Spain completely imploding (though, the era had to come to an end eventually) and England, who's shit anyways so their inevitable exit should be a lot less surprising than it always is.
 
ZZMitch said:
I think you are wrong on that first part. If US loses by 1-0 and Ghana wins 1-0 the US would go through since they have scored more total goals (4v3) than Ghana. They also own the head to head tiebreaker.

There is a good overview of the scenarios here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/upshot/world-cup-2014-group-g-scenarios.html
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In the scenario the US will have scored no new goals though while Ghana will have scored 1 bringing their totals up to 4.

Ghana has the advantage if they win 2-1, 3-2, 4-3 and so on unless the US can score goals in the Germany game.
 
jtb said:
and England, who's shit anyways so their inevitable exit should be a lot less surprising than it always is.
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Yeah, I feel for my britfriends. Deep down they always expect their team to be shit but I'm sure it still stings to see it happen every four years.
 
ZZMitch said:
I think you are wrong on that first part. If US loses by 1-0 and Ghana wins 1-0 the US would go through since they have scored more total goals (4v3) than Ghana up to this point. They also own the head to head tiebreaker.

There is a good overview of the scenarios here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/upshot/world-cup-2014-group-g-scenarios.html
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If Ghana wins 1-0 they will also have scored 4 goals at that point. 1 vs USA, 2 vs GER, 1 vs POR. USA would only lead the head to head tiebreaker.
 
Wilbur said:
what a fucking world cup
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It's been tremendous. Best one I can remember (been watching since 1994).

I think there are two factors: (1) no truly dominant teams and (2) the mid to lower level teams are improving to the point where you have to come to play every game. I still think the cream will rise in the knockout stage but the days of scoring one goal and shutting everything down seem to be over.
 
silver.tongue said:
I think tie-breaking beeing goal diff first is fine, but second should be direct confrontation. With it beeing goals scored a defensive team is, in theory, fucked.
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The fact that you can draw matches can make it redundant though. With so few games played it is too punishing on losses, goal difference encourages attacking play.
 
Matugi said:
US vs Germany is a classic case of the prisoner's dilemma. Collectively, they would be better off with inaction in that both move on. However, the intangible feeling of pride and momentum would cause both teams to compete against each other. If one team competes and the other doesn't, the team that does gets the extra benefits of pride and momentum while the other team is basically fucked (since Portugal is coming up the rear). However, if both teams compete, then on the meta scale both are negatively affected because until that last second there's the chance that they could be sent home (basically the superposition of soccer)
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No

Both will play to win not to see who is going in next round. There is no other choice
 
alterno69 said:
If this world cup has thought us anything so far is that this is not a names game. Look at Ghana, Costa Rica, USA, Chile, you could arge they have faced teams with better players but still managed to come on top.

This os futbol after all.
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Not quite though. Robben/van Persie's been beasting for the Dutch. Vidal and Alexis, ditto. Suarez makes Uruguay a completely different team. James Rodriguez has been sensational for Colombia. Same goes for Benzema and the French. And you know, that Messi guy is pretty good too.

It's the World Cup. Star players play a much more pronounced role than they do at the club level.
 
ZZMitch said:
I think you are wrong on that first part. If US loses by 1-0 and Ghana wins 1-0 the US would go through since they have scored more total goals (4v3) than Ghana up to this point. They also own the head to head tiebreaker.

There is a good overview of the scenarios here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/upshot/world-cup-2014-group-g-scenarios.html
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Yeah, you're basically right, except the US would move on because it would go directly to head-to-head since total goals would be 4-4 in that 1-0 both ways scenario. US basically has to score one more, the same, or one fewer goals than Ghana does in that last game to advance should Ghana win.
 
Navy Bean said:
the mid to lower level teams are improving to the point where you have to come to play every game..
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I think that's been a big part of it. It seems like every single "lesser" (just meaning not the big European or S.American power houses) team has put on at least one really solid performance so far, even if they didn't necessarily lead to wins.
 
Navy Bean said:
Yes, but for some reason I'm looking forward to watching Spain v Australia too. Really enjoyed the Aussie team and would like to see them win even in a meaningless game. Of course, I have to work so f*ck me.
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Australia beating Spain would make my fucking day.

Make it happen FIFA.
 
I turned the USA game off at 1 - 0, apparently I missed a lot.
 
Maninthemirror said:
No

Both will play to win not to see who is going in next round. There is no other choice
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It is most certainly a prisoner's dilemma because collective inaction benefits both parties. But in this case national pride likely far outweighs compassion for the other team, which would push both teams away from inaction.
 
figadapaura said:
Australia beating Spain would make my fucking day.

Make it happen FIFA.
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I kind of wish Australia did better just to see the Aussy version of the US gif explosion. Just kangaroos and dingos and angel steve irwin being spammed for pagers. I would love it.
 
Royal_Phalanx said:
The thing is, will Portugal care enough to even try to beat Ghana?
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It's their only chance, and it's super, super slim. It would basically take a win by them and a complete blowout by Germany for them to move on. It's probably why the US is looking pretty good to move on, because Portugal knows that it's do or die
 
Matugi said:
It is most certainly a prisoner's dilemma because collective inaction benefits both parties. But in this case national pride likely far outweighs compassion for the other team, which would push both teams away from inaction.
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People still talk about the fixed game between West Germany and Austria and that was 30 years ago. Does either team want to be associated with another sham like that? Especially the US who is now beginning to gain credibility?
 
Matugi said:
It is most certainly a prisoner's dilemma because collective inaction benefits both parties. But in this case national pride likely far outweighs compassion for the other team, which would push both teams away from inaction.
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There is no outweighing over collective inaction because no one will likely do collective inactions or even think of it if they want to win or have worked hard over 4 years for this moment as athletes. There is no pride outweighing inaction because inaction is match fixing nothing more nothing less
 
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