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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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MrSaturn99
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I don't think any Melee/Brawl analogy could ever beat this one I saw on GameFAQs that had Melee as a box of Legos and Brawl as Transformer figures. Legos were objectively superior, apparently.
You can build a Transformer out of Legos. You can't build a Lego out of Transformers. The winner is clear.
#LegoMasterRace
Vermillion
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Curses, missed it by a few seconds, had to think about pit :/
Lucky! I really want one!
Lucky! I really want one!
There was a recent thread where a guy was trying to argue against the existence of the transatlantic slave trade.
I'm pretty sure I see worse posts every day.
MaverickHunterAsh
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Congrats! I was about to ask if it was someone from NeoGAF who won.
Okay, yeah, that's a lot worse. Well, I did say "one of"...
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
W-wait.
Do you mean he argued for the transatlantic slave trade, as in he thought that it was a GOOD thing?
Or do you mean, no, he flat out didn't believe it happened.
Congrats! I was about to ask if it was someone from NeoGAF who won.
Okay, yeah, that's a lot worse. Well, I did say "one of"...
Thanks for the shirt ash, that was a cool giveaway.
MaverickHunterAsh
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No problem, it was fun to do. I might have one more to give away too, I'm not sure yet!
I'm really glad no one seemed to be confused by the "Not including Lucario or Charizard" part. I left them out to reduce confusion, as Charizard didn't technically have a Final Smash in Brawl and Lucario's Final Smash in Smash 4 hasn't been 100% confirmed to be Mega Lucario yet (that I know of). I realize it's like 99% a sure thing considering Mega Charizard X, but I didn't want people to argue over that technicality!
PadWarrior
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Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Oh, yeah, that thread, never read through it but remember seeing it stickied and just glossed over it besides the title.
edit: meant to quote the cake thing lol
Pretty much. I know the Brawl vs Melee argument goes deep, but calling Melee the perfect game is laughable.
What is really sad is that I really loved Melee, one of my favorite Gamecube games, put in easily over one-hundred hours. But now, I almost despise the game because of people promoting it to sainthood. It is not perfect and in my opinion Brawl fixed a lot of the issues I had with Melee. I know this is all just my opinion and I am a casual player, but stopped making me hate Melee by making it something it isn't. Zelda's fans already did that with me and OOT.
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"One of" my ass. It ain't even top 100 for this month.
Sadly, I read dumber posts in the last hour than the very poor cake analogy.
MaverickHunterAsh
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This is pretty much exactly how I feel in a nutshell. Melee is not a bad game - far from it - but I can't stand it now because of how unrealistically deified it has become by the "pro" community and how hilariously vilified Brawl has become by the same people.
They act like Melee is the greatest game of all time while Brawl is literally total garbage, while in truth neither is anywhere close to being true no matter which Smash you think is better.
Guys, I just thought of something. I call it the cucumber analogy.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Smash 64 era were like the seeds. There were a lot of them, and they're nice, but while they had the potential to grow in size, at the time they didn't take up much space, and needed to mature.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Melee era were like the flesh. They're great and there's a lot of it. They still had the ability to grow, but were mostly matured. Pretty much everyone loves them.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Brawl era were like the skin. They're rough and bitter and nobody really likes them, but people put up with them because underneath we still remembered that latent fleshy goodness was still there, somewhere.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Wii U & 3DS era are the whole cucumber. As a whole they might seem pretty great, but could suddenly, at any time, lodge themselves up your butt.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Smash 64 era were like the seeds. There were a lot of them, and they're nice, but while they had the potential to grow in size, at the time they didn't take up much space, and needed to mature.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Melee era were like the flesh. They're great and there's a lot of it. They still had the ability to grow, but were mostly matured. Pretty much everyone loves them.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Brawl era were like the skin. They're rough and bitter and nobody really likes them, but people put up with them because underneath we still remembered that latent fleshy goodness was still there, somewhere.
Super Smash Bros. fans in the Wii U & 3DS era are the whole cucumber. As a whole they might seem pretty great, but could suddenly, at any time, lodge themselves up your butt.
For the people that want the next day of the Xenoblade stream, tonight it just wasn't able to happen. Things came up and things. I'm sorry if you were looking forward to it, because I was.
If everything goes well with my dad, (he's sick right now), Day 2 should be starting mid-day tomorrow. And after that, I'm going to New Orleans for the weekend, so look for the next one most likely Sunday possibly Monday.
Also, Brawl cause Snake.
If everything goes well with my dad, (he's sick right now), Day 2 should be starting mid-day tomorrow. And after that, I'm going to New Orleans for the weekend, so look for the next one most likely Sunday possibly Monday.
Also, Brawl cause Snake.
Green Mamba
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Disappointing we have all this Kid Icarus shit but the Eggplant Wizard hasn't been seen at all, neither as an enemy nor as an Assist Trophy, and if we get generic sword man Magnus and no Eggplant Wizard anywhere.... ugh.
Please tell us more about your objective greatest game of all time.
Lunchbillion
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There has to be a better food-themed analogy for Smash games. Uh...
Super Smash Bros games are like snacks you dip in hot beverages.
Melee is like a biscuit in a cup of tea. You can just dip it briefly in the cup and enjoy it on a casual level but if you're really into it you can drop it in and appreciate how quickly it falls in and how deep it can get.
Brawl is more like a marshmallow in hot chocolate. On the surface it doesn't seem quite as deep as Melee. The marshmallow seems a lot floatier but also much prettier and accessible to kids. However it can get just as deep; just takes a little longer for the marshmallow to melt into the cup. Also old people like to pretend enjoying marshmallows more than biscuits is immature.
Smash U is uh... you know what forget it this metaphor is terrible
Super Smash Bros games are like snacks you dip in hot beverages.
Melee is like a biscuit in a cup of tea. You can just dip it briefly in the cup and enjoy it on a casual level but if you're really into it you can drop it in and appreciate how quickly it falls in and how deep it can get.
Brawl is more like a marshmallow in hot chocolate. On the surface it doesn't seem quite as deep as Melee. The marshmallow seems a lot floatier but also much prettier and accessible to kids. However it can get just as deep; just takes a little longer for the marshmallow to melt into the cup. Also old people like to pretend enjoying marshmallows more than biscuits is immature.
Smash U is uh... you know what forget it this metaphor is terrible
MrSaturn99
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Pop-O-Matic said:
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I'm kind of shocked we haven't gotten at least the Eggplant Bomb as an item or something. Didn't even remember the X-bomb when it was shown.
I'll answer that for him, it's objectively Metroid Prime
PadWarrior
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I'm kind of shocked we haven't gotten at least the Eggplant Bomb as an item or something. Didn't even remember the X-bomb when it was shown.
LOL oh man.
We do have Phosphora as well. I would be surprised if Eggplant Wizard doesn't show up. Turn everyone into an eggplant other than the user and they can't attack, only jump.
We don't have a clear idea. We know it is as easy as just choosing a move for a slot and you're done, but where you do it is unclear. And you may have to unlock custom moves.
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes exists tho.I'll answer that for him, it's objectively Metroid Prime
Can't disagree with that.I'll answer that for him, it's objectively Metroid Prime
Echoes would be better if the Sky Temple Key hunt wasn't so awful.Metroid Prime 2: Echoes exists tho.
IntelliHeath
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I'm kind of shocked we haven't gotten at least the Eggplant Bomb as an item or something. Didn't even remember the X-bomb when it was shown.
I hope to see Eggplant Bomb or Eggplant Wizard but I could assume that it might be too much for them to work on.
DICKS AHOY
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DreamMix TV World Fighters is like a bad pot brownie where you expect a mellow and tasty time but instead wake up three days later in a ditch and while you have no recollection of what happened or where your clothes are, you wind up feeling better for the experience nonetheless.
also it still had solid snake in it so fuck you
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Hope things get better with your dad!
Anyway, I can't go back to Melee because of the lack of characters/how ugly everything is. That's why I love Project M!
I was thinking about it today and I came to the conclusion that it would require an entirely new mechanic and a ton of testing to have an eggplant form of each fighter. In theory, it's just swapping the torso w/ a giant eggplant and keeping the legs, but there's a lot more work to it than that, especially if you don't want to do a half-assed job and have weird clipping everywhere. Some fighters stand upright, others bend over more, so the angle would have to be accommodated for. Some fighters have long legs, others have short ones, but you don't want the eggplant clipping through the floor. Every fighter would basically need an 'eggplant' version. What do you do for game and watch? Rob?
It just seems like a lot lot lot of work for one cool thing. Not saying it's impossible, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult than slapping ears (or a tail) on fighters and then scaling it.
You could have generic eggplant models, but that's not sakurai's style. Especially since it would mean yoshi/bowser gain human legs. Also, if you do keep the fighter's legs... what do you do about females in skirts? Show their half-naked legs? That's a bit risqué!
MaverickHunterAsh
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I never said I had an objective greatest game of all time. I never said that even exists, because it doesn't. Things like that are subjective. It should go without saying that my posts are my opinions and not objective fact. Good lord.
My personal/subjective favorite game of all time is Chrono Trigger, though, since you asked.
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Holy crap. I'm choking on the irony. The thread, sir: you have won it.
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Part of me feels we'll get the Tempura Wizard instead as a Smash Run enemy/AT.
I'm am completely aware of what your thoughts on that would be, but still.
C.Olimar788
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Wow I never even thought about this and just assumed that the Eggplant Wizard was a shoe-in for an Assist Trophy. Funny how things become so much more difficult when you actually stop to think about their mechanics and the design implications.
If they wanted to I suppose they could fairly easily just replace each fighter's head with an eggplant instead of their entire bodies, but that wouldn't really be accurate to the source material, so... maybe no eggplants in Smash Bros. outside of trophies.
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I didn't say that I wasn't guilty of it, so no irony here.
MrSaturn99
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These are some really good points. I guess that makes sense. Eggplant Wizard better still be a trophy though!
;D
Green Mamba
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Oh I fully know that it would take extra work, but it's not impossible, and I see it as extra work that's absolutely worth doing. If that means some other Assist Trophies had to be dropped, so be it. It's too perfect a concept and such a memorable part of Kid Icarus to be left out in favor of boring characters like Magnus and one shot nobodies like Phosphora.
On females in skirts and dresses, I think it would be possible to have the bottom fringe of their skirts visible. It would look maybe a little odd and different from most of the other characters, but I think that would work well enough.
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes exists tho.
Remind me to shell you less in future Mario Kart 8 shenanigans.
Also, FWIW:
WindWaker would have been the best Zelda free with more dungeon content. OoT AND Majora are too overhyped, TP is underhyped but done in because of no player urgency in difficulty/enemy engagement and SS is far too overly vilified.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 > 3D World >= Galaxy 1 > 64 > Sunshine
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat = Donkey Kong Country Returns/Tropical Freeze > the Rare Trilogy and DK64 any fucking day of the goddamn flow of time.
Echoes > or = Super > Prime > Zero > Corruption > Fusion > Other M
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Hell just have every character default to the same eggplant model and maybe give them a tiny amount of opportunity wiggle and hop out of the way while other opponents can wail on them. Doesn't need to be an exact replica of how it works in Kid Icarus for the reference to get across.
MrSaturn99
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C.Olimar788
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A Metroid Prime 2: Echoes stage could be really neat. It could change at random between Light and Dark Aether, with Dark Aether featuring the toxic atmosphere and a light crystal that could be broken if you attacked it enough. Want to screw over everyone in the match, including yourself? If not, I'd advise trying not to hit the crystal.
Too bad the Prime series has thusfar been criminally underrepresented in Smash. Dark Samus being an AT is a step in the right direction, though, so maybe we'll get an actually-interesting Prime stage or two in Smash 4...?
Too bad the Prime series has thusfar been criminally underrepresented in Smash. Dark Samus being an AT is a step in the right direction, though, so maybe we'll get an actually-interesting Prime stage or two in Smash 4...?
I run in to this phenomenon too, and it drives me crazy. My opinions don't really line up with yours, but just the general idea of what you're talking about, I mean.
It's like, I love this game, you love this game. But you love it a little too much for me, and you aren't paying attention to how much better the other entry in that series is. All of the sudden I'm annoyed and in disagreement with someone, even though we're both excited about the same games/series. It's dumb, and I wish I didn't do it.
Years ago, I had a friend who loved Metroid Fusion, and one who loved Wind Waker. I think both of those games are amazing, but clearly and deeply inferior to Super Metroid and a Link to the Past. Same for me with people who like Brawl or PM more than Melee (aside from people within the Smash community, where I've always run into a lot of camaraderie).
I generally try not to voice it in the first place, but it really bothers me that I get annoyed at all over other people not liking things the right amount. It's completely silly.
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