Not a high bar you're setting there.
2014 FIFA World Cup |OT6| The beautiful game in all its thrilling glory
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NYCmetsfan
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Really really low. Would take the implosion of the NFL or NCAA. The money isn't leaving europe which hurts us. But we can easily be in the top 5 leagues in that time. Maybe ahead of something like the french league. IMO
Unknown Soldier
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Jurgen Klinsmann is apparently under contract with us until 2018. I wonder if he'll stick around after Russia 2018 or ride off into the sunset.
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FootballFan
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Yeah, the Swiss team is just like that.
Shaqiri, Xhaka, Dzemaili, Behrami and Mehmedi all have Kosovan/Albanian roots.
Rodriguez of course has Chile/Spain I think.
Drmic is of Croatian descent.
Seferovic is of Bosnian descent etc.
Inler for example even played for Turkey u21 lol.
meanspartan
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Don't worry so much about people thinking Costa Rica's success has been mostly luck. I think most people even here recognize getting to a fifth world cup game after coming up on top of a group of death takes a bit more than luck. Plus, there'll be no doubt about it once we defeat the Oranje team on Saturday
You just beat my team (Greece), so I want to be clear so you don't think this is sour grapes that you DID deserve that win, so try not to get too up in arms with what I am about to say
Greece is a team that, outside of the very mercurial Samaras, has no real striker threat. They found success for the first time in their history in 2004 by adopting Otto Rehhagel's defense-first system and winning perhaps the biggest upset in football history when they won Euro 2004 after never having won a single World Cup or Euro Cup match before that tournament began. They have since then been somewhat improved from pre-2004, at least now they regularly qualify for World and Euro Cups when they didn't before.
Their style is extremely defensive play, in hopes of opening up quick counterattacks. Many people hate on them for this reason.
Ok, now to the Costa Rica game.
Even before Costa Rica got the red card, Greece was controlling the ball and the game. They somehow allowed what was probably the slowest kick of the world cup to become a goal, defender was asleep and our keeper looked like he was in shock. After that, Costa Rica hardly ever threatened again. Greece got a clutch goal to force overtime but then could not close in overtime (again, no good strikers) so Costa Rica held on with 10 men and won in penalties.
Here's the difference, Netherlands is NOT Greece. If they get the looks we got vs. Costa Rica, they will score. A lot. And if Costa Rica allowed a team notorious for its trolling defense to control possession for most of the game, they have very little chance against Netherlands. Of course anything can happen, maybe Netherlands have a bad day or something. But if they are playing even close to their regular level, it ends here for Costa Rica, sorry.
I'm starting to think that though Costa Rica's upset win of their group remains impressive, it isn't only because of their stellar overperforming play. I think their opponents were just shit. Italy was good and will be good again but clearly seems to be "in-between" eras right now, Uruguay had Suarez and not much else as the game vs. Colombia without him proved, and England....well you know.
Of course, if Costa Rica DOES win, quote this and let me eat some crow
Don't worry so much about people thinking Costa Rica's success has been mostly luck. I think most people even here recognize getting to a fifth world cup game after coming up on top of a group of death takes a bit more than luck. Plus, there'll be no doubt about it once we defeat the Oranje team on Saturday
Wait, so there was more than one group of death?
Shining Sunshine
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PSG and Monaco says no. French league are serious now.
Italian league doe, Inter and AC Milan really gone to shit. It's pretty much a one tiered league with Juventus with Napoli being somewhat contenders.
MLS could be pretty big as it is growing interest and getting closer to beating MLB and NBA on viewership. Schools just need to also focus on soccer as a serious college sport with the help of NCAA. It needs to have college competition like NCAA football and basketball.
swordfishtrombones
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Nah, that's Van Persie, which makes it even funnier.
NYCmetsfan
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Well we'll never have the Euro championships like the french and italian leagues do. so they'll have a few better teams always but I think overall quality we can compete.
We have NCAA soccer its just not that great. We need the development leagues.
victreeb3l
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The bit at the end...I burst out laughing lmao
Shining Sunshine
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Wut lol. Why is Robben in the title? Is it saying Van Persie got mistaken for Robben or something?
The Chosen One
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We don't need to have the best league in the world for our national team to be competitive. England has the EPL and it hasn't exactly helped them the last several World Cups...
We just need to have a strong domestic league to the point where the MLS can develop/export a few world class players regularly. People may mock Michael Bradley, Dempsey, and Jozy right now but they're huge trailblazers by playing in first division European leagues and having some success. Those players are MLS v1.0 products and were developed in the 80s/90s US youth soccer system, which was heavily volunteer based by well intentioned but not very knowledgeable coaches.
Imagine the current generation of US youth players who are growing up in a proper youth academy system and in a much stronger and viable MLS domestic league. We're going to see much stronger players, I'm already regularly reading articles of European clubs giving 12-16 year olds from the US trials.
Also don't underestimate the effect of the World Cup. I was inspired by the 1990 World Cup, but I was pretty much the only kid watching it in a 10 mile radius of my house. Nowadays it's become a huge event and the topic of conversation at both the water cooler and schoolyard. It's also easier to watch domestic and international soccer on TV than 20-30 years ago, so kids can fully absorb themselves and see how proper soccer is played.
So even if the MLS isn't on the level of EPL, we're getting very close to the point where it's strong enough to export players. Those players receive European training and experience, which makes them even better when they return home to play for the national team or MLS.
We just need to have a strong domestic league to the point where the MLS can develop/export a few world class players regularly. People may mock Michael Bradley, Dempsey, and Jozy right now but they're huge trailblazers by playing in first division European leagues and having some success. Those players are MLS v1.0 products and were developed in the 80s/90s US youth soccer system, which was heavily volunteer based by well intentioned but not very knowledgeable coaches.
Imagine the current generation of US youth players who are growing up in a proper youth academy system and in a much stronger and viable MLS domestic league. We're going to see much stronger players, I'm already regularly reading articles of European clubs giving 12-16 year olds from the US trials.
Also don't underestimate the effect of the World Cup. I was inspired by the 1990 World Cup, but I was pretty much the only kid watching it in a 10 mile radius of my house. Nowadays it's become a huge event and the topic of conversation at both the water cooler and schoolyard. It's also easier to watch domestic and international soccer on TV than 20-30 years ago, so kids can fully absorb themselves and see how proper soccer is played.
So even if the MLS isn't on the level of EPL, we're getting very close to the point where it's strong enough to export players. Those players receive European training and experience, which makes them even better when they return home to play for the national team or MLS.
Charles Foster Kane
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It's kind of funny, but that guy is an idiot.
swordfishtrombones
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Yes, "Fan mistakes RvP for AR"
gutter_trash
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the EPL's success is a bane on the England national team.
the EPL is a hub for international stars who excel in league play then return their respective national teams and SCORE against England during international play.... like Luis Suarez LOL
the EPL is a hub for international stars who excel in league play then return their respective national teams and SCORE against England during international play.... like Luis Suarez LOL
NYCmetsfan
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Good post.
I played when I was young and unfortunately gave it up before it because too competitive but I've always loved the sport and today watching the game in a bar I just realized that the sport has come a long way. People may not follow the sport like the do others but they know enjoy it and like it. Its not just a novelty any more.
Always-honest
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I hate people like this. What a fucking idiot. Just go away. Please vanish into thin air you loud fucking retard.
Welp, Ben Affleck is angry. And has put on some weight.
agreed. it's actually better for USMNT that MLS isn't a top quality league imo because there's less immediate pressure to win now. that's what's killing England right now, all the top clubs can't afford to develop prospects because it'll be at the cost of immediate results (and in many cases, with very real financial stakes). a quality league in its own right, not unlike the Eredivisie, can serve as a good finishing school for American talents rather than having them waste away the years they should be playing first team football and developing bouncing around from club to club in Europe. they get stability, regular games, and once they've proven themselves, they can make the jump to Europe.
I managed to miss all internet and watch a replay. Super proud of the USMNT. Super proud of Yedlin. I'm definitely #RCTID but Dempsey and Yedlin were amazing. I'm so excited about the World Cup in 4 years. We aren't underdogs anymore.
...that being said....
even though we lost, Tim Howard is the man of the match.
...that being said....
even though we lost, Tim Howard is the man of the match.
Don't US players count as european or something and don't take foreigner spots in european leagues? That's a huge advantage you have cause then teams can take a chance knowing they're not giving up their foreigner spots usually taken by more stablished players. That has already helped a lot, look at Ochoa for example, not many teams hire foreign keepers cause they rather use those spots for field positions. He needs six more months in France to get his european passport so he will probably stay there even if it has to be a shitty club again.
Vertonghen went all the way. Mad respect for him.
What the fuck. Did that happen yesterday?
With the exception of the homegrown player rule (which doesnt really affect any club), quotas for foreign players are forbidden in the EU.
Yeah, at the start of extra time. He made some amazing efforts and actions already during the first 90 minutes.
Shining Sunshine
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Ewww, I thought that was water he was spitting out.
Vertonghen really ran a heck of a lot, and I could easily spot that he was tired since he wasn't able to keep up with the American forwards several times.
Also props to Kompany really showing great defending work, well, at least until that goal.
Effing Americans watching football for the first time. Good thing that's over. Now for some Costa Rekta and we're also through with the Concagaf malarkey.
No they aren't. Spain and Italy have had them for a decade.
opps yeah you are right, thought Germany's lax rules were based on some EU court ruling.. dunno why I though that.
Roland1979
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The funny part is how they didn't get which dive he was talking about (but if foreign media doesn't explain that, or even exaggerate it for the hype it only gets worse). He was probably not N-American though. As long as we don't underestimate our opponent and we don't get particularly unlucky we will likely win it. We're destined to defeat Argentina in the semi's and Germany in the finals. And we will get that cup this time.
Well, that was a proposition by the UEFA at some point (6+5), but it was ruled out by the EU parliament as clashing with european labour laws.
They still have them in Spain and Italy, check if you don't believe me.
Edit also the problem with that iirc was treating eu citizens as foreign whereas italy and Spain only have quotas for non eu players. There is no free movement with non eu citizens.
speculawyer
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Yeah I'm rooting CR now. Of course that probably won't last long.
CMojicaAce
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Costa Rica will lead CONCACAF to the promised land.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Florida?
Don't worry so much about people thinking Costa Rica's success has been mostly luck. I think most people even here recognize getting to a fifth world cup game after coming up on top of a group of death takes a bit more than luck. Plus, there'll be no doubt about it once we defeat the Oranje team on Saturday
I love Dutch, its so funny. Especially when girls talk it.
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dutchguyjack
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Lol just noticed that none of the runner ups from the group stages won their match in the round of 16.
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