Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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There is a good chance that whole part of the leak could misinformation.
You know what in check is?
" I don't know what the fuck sakurai is doing right now "
anything more than that , is setting yourself up for failure.
Crazed hope ( in some cases ) is more credible than gamastu leak at this momento
..hey, what if Ganondorf went from being a Falcon clone to a Robin clone? :lol
Merely gratitude.
Don't tell me you have certain feelings for them?
For now I can believe.
PadWarrior
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His ass makes everything better.
Your avatar looks like Captain Falcon.
Mike Jones will be an out-of-nowhere newcomer in Smash 4 to herald his new Sora-developed game much like Pit in Brawl.
i wish
That would be ever so slightly better but still cripple me with depression.
Red Arremer
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While some of these don't really do anything for me, I have to admit that the Virtual Boy ROB is one of the best ideas I've ever seen. I'd totally love an alt for ROB like that.
Also that Wolf looks pretty good (particularly because it doesn't try to emulate the Melee looks and goes for something more unique instead).
Hours Left
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Mr. Smiley
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When did Meta Knight get two PM alts? What's his second one from?
theprodigy
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BassForever
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However you want to call it, people who are expecting tons of newcomers left to be revealed are going to be disappointed period.
It has some cool ideas, but the controls are stiff and the game feels kind of random in design at times. It kind of reminds me of a game I'd probably have wanted to make as a kid which is why I imagine if you played it as a kid when it was new it stuck with you.
Oh Shulk has been in my top 5 most wanted newcomers since Smash 4 was announced. Along with Isaac (LOL), Ridley (LOL), Chrom (happy it was Robin/Lucina tbh), and Mega Man (YAY). Takamaru was my odd man out of the top 5, though I probably had him in my top 5 at some points because I've always felt Ridley would get skipped once we got Yellow Devil teased as a stage hazard hinting at bosses in stages. I'll be extremely ecstatic if/when he's revealed.
First one is based on his original concept art, second one is based on Dark Meta Knight from Kirby and the Amazing Mirror.
This one can be interpreted several ways.....
I don't think their relationship was ever confirmed but I always thought they were siblings for some reason.
Lord_Byron28
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I mean when people bring up this image and view, I agree with them on some level that she always seemed tougher and with a more realistic art style but I have to say I really dont like the way she looks in Metroid Prime. She looks ugly and awkward but most of that is more due to the GCN's power. I prefer her anime look to this look but I would be open to a more grounded attempt in a similar vein to Metroid Prime. I for some reason always envisioned her attitude/personality and looks resembling Beatrice/Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.If we're talking about Zero Suit Samus alts, I'd really like one based off of this one, before she was turned into a pin up girl.
To each their own though. Hot girls are hot and we all like that, this version of her just fit better with the way I always envisioned her.
For clarification, I never have felt like Samus shouldn't be attractive. I just always saw her as more of a tough lady kind of hot, not sorority girl with an attitude kind of hot.
So these are some of the Project M alternates revealed so far. Hopefully, Sakurai can give us something similar for all characters!
That second Metaknight alternate reminded me of how hilarious a fakeout trailer that built up to Ridley before revealing the ominous purple wings were his; and then proceeding to the actual newcomer would be. Especially since their themes are fairly similar.
Same.
Mr. Smiley
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First one is based on his original concept art, second one is based on Dark Meta Knight from Kirby and the Amazing Mirror.
Oh man, I was stooped by the second one. Thanks.
Lord_Byron28
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They were? For some reason I always had it in my head they were brother and sister but I have no clue where I got that from.
What happens in the undescript pole type area stays in undescript pole type area. I guess anways.
This one can be interpreted several ways.....
totes magotes
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Really hoping the other two gematsu characters end up being in the game. I ended up picking up Xenoblade and Rhythm Heaven DS and Fever back in April. Shulk and a rhythm heaven character have become my most wanted characters.
People were disappointed by the Gematsu link already. It was just a low-boil one because it'd be like raging against the gods. Disappointment was and is inevitable. One of the fun parts of waiting for a new Smash game is jumping onto a team and riding it to total victory or defeat, and it's something you can only really know until the game comes out. Disappointment comes with the territory, and as long as you don't take it too seriously, it's fun. That's why Robin and Lucina coming out of nowhere is so cool, because we can get back to that 'what if' stuff without being crushed by 'well, the leak said...'.
I certainly don't think the roster is going to get wild, but I'm very happy that the future is just a little more uncertain with regards to how it's going to shake out.
BassForever
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With his comment of a few videos left expecting more then 2-3 is being unrealistic, and I'm still going to give him some benefit on the grounds that he got 8/11 right. Yes he was wrong on it being Chrom, but he was right on it being a FE:A character. Let's just say for a second Monday had been Shulk like many of us expected and then next we got Chorus Men with the final reveal being Robin and Lucina, we'd probably go 10/11 with slight misinformation but a genuine leak from some point in development. Call me a negative nancy but I need something more then getting the FE:A character wrong to be fully convinced that his second list is completely made up. Once Takamaru/Ridley/Dixie/KRool/Blaziken/Mike/etc get confirmed then I'll get a bit more excited, until then I expect 2 more newcomers being Shulk and a Rhythm Heaven rep.
I think sex first death later when it comes to that
NeonZ
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Well, if she received an unique moveset, they'd have to take inspiration from her battle animations. Several of Marth's animations do, even if many are original too, same goes to Ike.
Of course, I guess she could have been just a Marth clone or whatever. But, if she were to get an original moveset, her original appearance would give much better material for an unique character than Chrom's.
No transformations though. That basically kills the class changing concept. At best, we could have gotten Great Lord Chrom with the Falchion and a lance rather than Robin.
"Story" doesn't make development easier or harder though. It'd take more resources to make Chrom unique in Smash than what Lucina takes to be added as a clone. Lucina just has a better excuse to be a clone than Chrom would have.
Roy wouldn't have been in the game at all if he weren't a clone. It's not like they decided to implement Roy, got lazy, and he turned out to be a clone. According to the old Melee site, they decided to add more characters to please the fans, but there was only time and resources to add clones, reusing the animations and body types of other characters, not fully original ones.
They even specifically mention that Ganondorf only was added because his body type coincidentally matched Captain Falcon's.
In Awakening, Ike (Hero) only has one extra max str point compared to Chrom (Great Lord), and both have the same max speed.
Ike was an all around balanced character back in Path of Radiance. His speed did drop in Radiant Dawn, but it was average at worst. Chrom's str growth is actually higher than Radiant Dawn's Ike (55 vs 60). I don't see how you're getting that Chrom would hit with much less strength than Ike. And that's game mechanics, storywise, they often talk about how Chrom accidentally breaks walls while training, which suggests that brute force is supposed to be his main point.
Half of those couldn't really work. The point of clones is reusing skeleton and animations, even if partially.Captain K.Rool might look like Bowser, but he couldn't really use any of Bowser's shell animations, so it'd require a huge rework and they might as well make an original character. Ridley and Charizard just have very different builds.
Still, if they wanted to add Medusa as a clone, I think Palutena is a much more obvious choice. They're from the same series, and she conveniently has 8 completely unique special moves ready for use that aren't in her default moveset, which could be given to a clone. Mewtwo as a Lucario clone could work due to how aura based Lucario's moveset is in Smash, but it'd be odd considering how he already had a different moveset in the Smash series itself. Still, I'd take that over Mewtwo not returning.
I think Sakurai directly mentioned him back in the Melee days (although just as a character who wouldn't be added to Melee), and that ended up popping up in Western sites during the pre-Brawl hype. More recently though, there was the Nintendo Land minigame and release of his game in the Virtual Console outside of Japan. There's nothing specifically pointing to his presence in Smash though.
Made out of the dark energery of the mirror, there was also a dark kirby.
Its no where as extreme as you are thinking.
BassForever
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To be fair, he's from a mirror world where Whispy Woods's counterpart is made of stone. Things are a bit wacky there.
Red Arremer
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Roy also wasn't even the first choice for Sakurai, he actually wanted to put in Leaf, but when he approached Intelligent Systems, they gave him a look at the upcoming FE game they were doing at the time, and its main character Roy, and both agreed upon making Roy the character instead, for his flaming sword set him more apart from Marth.
Dude got the amount, character, capacity, and time wrong. The character he said, is less than an assist trophy. We have no effing IDEA what shulk and Chorus men might be even if they are in the game, they might be assist trophies, he might not even been getting this information first or 2nd hand. He might be hearing that shit from some one , we have no ideas.
I wouldn't even bet on those. I'm not betting on ANYTHING anymore.
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After all Smash is full of anime characters right
Dr. Wiley would be upset at you.
superNESjoe
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Fair enough. I wouldn't hate an anime look,I just don't like the pristine Barbie pin up model look. She's basically become Nintendos version of a sex symbol and she was more respectable to me before that.
Other M didn't help.
If we're talking about Zero Suit Samus alts, I'd really like one based off of this one, before she was turned into a pin up girl.
To each their own though. Hot girls are hot and we all like that, this version of her just fit better with the way I always envisioned her.
For clarification, I never have felt like Samus shouldn't be attractive. I just always saw her as more of a tough lady kind of hot, not sorority girl with an attitude kind of hot.
That Samus looks perfectly capable of donning a cheerleading outfit or set of lingerie to me. That model is so blocky you can really interpret it however you want.
Chet Rippo
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Knowing the artist, I'm surprised that there are no huge boobs present.
Hours Left
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I would still contribute that to laziness, if not on the development team, then on the execs in charge. I don't really have a problem with clone characters, but I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't like to see the majority of them be made more unique.
As for Lucina specifically, I understand why she is the way she is, which further backs my theory that she was a late addition.
BassForever
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We've had Dark Link, Dark Toon Link, Dark Samus, Dark Pit, Shadow Mario, Mr L, Shadow Queen Peach, Black Yoshi, and Shadow Diddy Kong, honestly Dark Meta Knight and Dark Kirby don't really seem that weird. At the rate Nintendo's going you could potentially make an entire fighting game out of the dark/evil versions of characters.
I'm new here, but I thought I'd throw in what I guess will be the rest of the roster will be like.
Firstly, all the new characters that have been revealed have been the focus of a game in the last generation of nintendo. Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Rosalina and Miis were all featured on the Wii and Villager, Greninja, Palutena, Lucina and Robin all from 3DS games. You probably already know that.
The games that haven't been represented that have made a relatively big impact on Wii and 3DS are any Zelda games (Skyward Sword or Between Two Worlds), Xenoblade Chronicles, and Donkey Kong Country Returns. This makes me think that 3 characters we will get will be Ghirahim, Shulk and Dixie Kong.
I'm most confident about Shulk mainly due to everybody else's confidence on that one, but it does make a lot of sense. Ghirahim seems like an ok choice for a new Zelda rep, but the fact is he's only in the one Zelda game and I feel that the next character from the Zelda series should be in at least another game to give them more credibility. As for Dixie Kong, I'm basically picturing a clone on Diddy similar to Lucina and Marth. I think one of the major changes to this game is the major increase of female characters, and I think that having Dixie would make sense. I'm apposed to King K Rool because he hasn't appeared in the new games lately, and we have Charizard, who is a large lizard character, so I don't think we need K Rool.
Obviously there are other franchises that haven't been represented with a new character like Metroid, Starfox, Kirby and Pikmin. Everybody wants Ridley, he's be cool. I think the fact that he's the most requested character means he'll be in the game, as possibly the final unlockable character. Starfox will probably lose Wolf as a character, and not gain anybody else due to the lack of games released recently, bar 64 3D. Kirby doesn't really have any new characters to add, but I imagine a retweaked Meta-Knight will pop up. Same goes with Pikmin, nothing new to add.
Also, the rumour of the Rhythm Kids or whatever they are called seems too bizarre to be fake. I think the might be in the game. I still think that leaker was right, but devs changed their mind about Chrom.
As for returning characters, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Falco, Ness, ROB, Wario, Meta Knight and Game & Watch. Wolf wont be back, nor will Lucas (he's my best character in Brawl). Snake's not coming back either.
This would bring the total character roster from 36 to 50. I think the character roster will be between 49 and 52, so I think this is a good estimate.
Also I vote Captain Toad as a character.
Firstly, all the new characters that have been revealed have been the focus of a game in the last generation of nintendo. Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Rosalina and Miis were all featured on the Wii and Villager, Greninja, Palutena, Lucina and Robin all from 3DS games. You probably already know that.
The games that haven't been represented that have made a relatively big impact on Wii and 3DS are any Zelda games (Skyward Sword or Between Two Worlds), Xenoblade Chronicles, and Donkey Kong Country Returns. This makes me think that 3 characters we will get will be Ghirahim, Shulk and Dixie Kong.
I'm most confident about Shulk mainly due to everybody else's confidence on that one, but it does make a lot of sense. Ghirahim seems like an ok choice for a new Zelda rep, but the fact is he's only in the one Zelda game and I feel that the next character from the Zelda series should be in at least another game to give them more credibility. As for Dixie Kong, I'm basically picturing a clone on Diddy similar to Lucina and Marth. I think one of the major changes to this game is the major increase of female characters, and I think that having Dixie would make sense. I'm apposed to King K Rool because he hasn't appeared in the new games lately, and we have Charizard, who is a large lizard character, so I don't think we need K Rool.
Obviously there are other franchises that haven't been represented with a new character like Metroid, Starfox, Kirby and Pikmin. Everybody wants Ridley, he's be cool. I think the fact that he's the most requested character means he'll be in the game, as possibly the final unlockable character. Starfox will probably lose Wolf as a character, and not gain anybody else due to the lack of games released recently, bar 64 3D. Kirby doesn't really have any new characters to add, but I imagine a retweaked Meta-Knight will pop up. Same goes with Pikmin, nothing new to add.
Also, the rumour of the Rhythm Kids or whatever they are called seems too bizarre to be fake. I think the might be in the game. I still think that leaker was right, but devs changed their mind about Chrom.
As for returning characters, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Falco, Ness, ROB, Wario, Meta Knight and Game & Watch. Wolf wont be back, nor will Lucas (he's my best character in Brawl). Snake's not coming back either.
This would bring the total character roster from 36 to 50. I think the character roster will be between 49 and 52, so I think this is a good estimate.
Also I vote Captain Toad as a character.
Here's some Dark Meta Knight pics just released from the Project M twitter account.
https://twitter.com/ProjectMGame
https://twitter.com/ProjectMGame
Red Arremer
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I don't know if it's laziness to look at the 20 character roster and say "Well, we have 20 characters for this game, we could add one unique character (that was planned to be Dedede) or we could add 6 characters that share the same movesets with already existing ones for virtually the same development time".
Personally, I don't think it's lazy to want to make more fans happy by beefing up the roster with 6 instead of 1 character, even if those 6 are clones.
So these are some of the Project M alternates revealed so far. Hopefully, Sakurai can give us something similar for all characters!
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Y'know, I can respect Project M and the work they did, and these costumes are really quite awesome. But it really does leave a bad taste in my mouth when a mod is an expected threshold for the official work to exceed. It's like the argument on emulation and how the free program is considered superior to an official one. No duh; free means free of obligation, free of restriction, and free of profit. they're outside the boundaries that the official work are held to, so they can do whatever they damn well please.
And maybe I'm just letting my general distaste for the competitive scene speak, but It really does feel like this is starting to seriously encroach on Nintendo's work, which will inevitably force a line to be drawn. If Nintendo want's to implement costumes like these now, they're legally required to acknowledge and confront Project M with a cease and desist. From there it can only get worse until Project M is forced to change or shut down, which will once again put Nintendo into the unfavorable light for following a legal responsibility.
Maybe I'm just paranoid and I'm adopting an attitude of 'want for a nail', but there's no denying that the more work that gets put into Project M, the closer the inevitable confrontation will draw.
BassForever
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I would have preferred unique Dedede to 6 clones, then perhaps Ganondorf when he got added in Brawl would have had a moveset fitting who he is instead of a crappy clone moveset.
theprodigy
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but not before Super Bash Sisters!
superNESjoe
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I think you misinterpreted the point. That is neither here nor there however. I didn't want to derail the thread, just wanted to make a suggestion for Zero Suit alt.
Finale Fireworker
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We aren't getting Ghirahim. This is just like pre-Brawl when people were all about Midna. Zelda is a huge series with staples who appear in various forms throughout the series. We will never get a one-off character over a series regular, or version of that regular.
foxuzamaki
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This one can be interpreted several ways.....
Oh jesus
BassForever
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I'm surprised they didn't pull Light Suit Samus after it was revealed that she had that as a texture swap outfit in Smash 4.
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