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[scottnak]

Nothing like it in the bit that was accidentally posted.

I will second this. I don't see anything in the posted screenshot that says anything about a cut character.

 

[Diprosalic]

So are they selling the 3ds version first because they know most would buy the WiiU version only if they launched at the same time? Does not really make sense to me to not release them together.

they are releasing the 3DS version first because they need the 3DS to live or else they are fucked.

 

[SmithnCo]

Just wondering, can we now disregard the Gematsu leak?

It's possible it was based on earlier roster concepts so I wouldn't totally discount it yet. Especially after Sakurai said he did make a cut which could've been Chrom.

 

[-Horizon-]

The blurb about how Lucina came to be is basically "Originally Lucina was a Marth color variation because they're related characters. The have different names and voices but play the same, and would receive treatment similar to male/female WFT, Villager and Robin. However, while Lucina's fighting style is the same, she has different characteristics. Because there's only a small difference, she would be a convenient additional character. This made her a lucky newcomer pick."

or something like that

Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.

Huh...whatever, I'll take it.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

The real blurb: "one day Iwata came into my office and wrote down the sales figures for Awakening all over my desk

I took the hint"

Absolutely. There's no reason whatsoever to bring Roy back now that we've got Awakening's characters.

Maybe Shulk was cut because Sakurai felt bad for the dude who was going to have to suck all those dicks.

What a nice guy, always looking out for his fans.

they are releasing the 3DS version first because they need the 3DS to live or else they are fucked.

It's not the 3DS that needs saving here.

 

[TWILT]

I've been reading through some of the Japanese bulletin boards in light of the latest Famitsu, and I found some new info.

1. Lucina was originally included as a Marth skin.
2. “A certain character” was cut during development. (Chrom? Who knows. It's not clarified.)
3. Sakurai didn’t want to reduce the total number of characters.
4. It wasn’t possible to make a brand new character on short notice.
5. Lucina was repurposed into her own character slot to fill the void.

Hmm, pretty sure that certain character was Chrom. Why have that bit in when the rest of the points are related to the FE characters?

 

[Gleethor]

Yeah, I'm having a little trouble picturing a scenario where they were developing Chrom, Robin and had Lucina as an alt for Marth coincidentally and Chrom is the thing that fell through.

Well, if they realized mid-development that they weren't going to have time to finish all of the newcomers, Chrom would definitely be first on the chopping block as the less interesting of the two FE newcomers.

 

[Guesong]

The blurb about how Lucina came to be is basically "Originally Lucina was a Marth color variation because they're related characters. The have different names and voices but play the same, and would receive treatment similar to male/female WFT, Villager and Robin. However, while Lucina's fighting style is the same, she has different characteristics. Because there's only a small difference, she would be a convenient additional character. This made her a lucky newcomer pick."

or something like that

Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.

Scan that page with a microscope so we can put this discussion behind us and I will buy you a cookie.

 

[Lunar15]

The blurb about how Lucina came to be is basically "Originally Lucina was a Marth color variation because they're related characters. The have different names and voices but play the same, and would receive treatment similar to male/female WFT, Villager and Robin. However, while Lucina's fighting style is the same, she has different characteristics. Because there's only a small difference, she would be a convenient additional character. This made her a lucky newcomer pick."

or something like that

Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.

So... almost exactly what was said in that PotD.

 

[Diprosalic]

It's not the 3DS that needs saving here.

the 3DS is Nintendo's life line.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Well, they'd have to model and texture Roy from the ground up, whereas Lucina was already modelled as an alt. That's workload.

One model? One model's not that much work. Voice acting would take less than an hour.

 

[theprodigy]

It's not the 3DS that needs saving here.

what he meant was keeping 3DS profits up because that's what is holding them up right now

 

[IntelliHeath]

Maybe Shulk was cut because Sakurai felt bad for the dude who was going to have to suck all those dicks.

Oh damn.

Was at GameStop today and one of the employees was all upset that it looks like Roy is a no show for Smash 4

It's obvious that we know that Roy's return is one of most lowest chance to happens in Smash 4.

 

[Fiktion]

Nothing like it in the bit that was accidentally posted.

Alright so that's the nail in Gematsu's coffin then. It sounds like someone made that list by misinterpreting the Japanese and adding their own assumptions.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

What if the cut character was Rayman?

 

[akidnamededdy]

Well, if they realized mid-development that they weren't going to have time to finish all of the newcomers, Chrom would definitely be first on the chopping block as the less interesting of the two FE newcomers.

I agreed with this up until the "less interesting" bit. If Chrom was being developed as a unique character he'd certainly be more interesting from a gameplay perspective than Lucina.

 

[SuperSah]

they are releasing the 3DS version first because they need the 3DS to live or else they are fucked.

Um.. good sir, it appears the Wii U which is barely standing on its own feet needs the help.

If anything, 3DS sales may cannibalise the Wii U sales. The 3DS doesn't need saving, it's the Wii U that does.

 

[-Horizon-]

One model? One model's not that much work. Voice acting would take less than an hour.

Making extra male character models cost too much.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

the 3DS is Nintendo's life line.

what he meant was keeping 3DS profits up because that's what is holding them up right now

Ah - I thought you were saying the 3DS needs Smash to save it.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Alright so that's the nail in Gematsu's coffin then.

It isn't.

 

[Kyzer]

I agreed with this up until the "less interesting" bit. If Chrom was being developed as a unique character he'd certainly be more interesting from a gameplay perspective than Lucina.

The theory would presume that Robin and Chrome were originally going to be the FE characters.), Chrom got cut, and then Lucina added/spruced up

 

[Red Arremer]

One model? One model's not that much work. Voice acting would take less than an hour.

Plus rigging/animating that model, particle effects, additional side content (trophies, music, stage, etc.), sounds etc.
Lucina already had all of this.

Also, you heavily underestimate how long voice acting takes.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

I agreed with this up until the "less interesting" bit. If Chrom was being developed as a unique character he'd certainly be more interesting from a gameplay perspective than Lucina.

Less interesting than Robin.

Also, you heavily underestimate how long voice acting takes.

3 sentences for victory poses and a few "Hyah" or "Eeyah" noises. I could do it in 10 minutes.

 

[Gleethor]

I agreed with this up until the "less interesting" bit. If Chrom was being developed as a unique character he'd certainly be more interesting from a gameplay perspective than Lucina.

I was talking about Robin. In this hypothetical scenario, Robin and Chroms were both planned as newcomers and Luncina planned as a skin for Marth. Then they needed to cut at least one newcomer and Chrom was the easiest choice. Then Lucina was promoted to a clone character to fill the gap.

 

[Diprosalic]

If anything, 3DS sales may cannibalise the Wii U sales. The 3DS doesn't need saving, it's the Wii U that does.

it doesn't need saving but they need it to be alive and strong. much more than they need the Wii U to succeed at this very moment. It's also the far safer and easier task.

 

[akidnamededdy]

The theory would presume that Robin and Chrome were originally going to be the FE characters.), Chrom got cut, and then Lucina added/spruced up

Hmmmm....that makes sense then. "Less interesting" compared to Robin rather than Lucina, got it.

 

[emb]

I will second this. I don't see anything in the posted screenshot that says anything about a cut character.

The blurb about how Lucina came to be is basically "Originally Lucina was a Marth color variation because they're related characters. The have different names and voices but play the same, and would receive treatment similar to male/female WFT, Villager and Robin. However, while Lucina's fighting style is the same, she has different characteristics. Because there's only a small difference, she would be a convenient additional character. This made her a lucky newcomer pick."

or something like that

Maybe there's something on the rest of the page that mentions a cut character, but... I don't see why it wouldn't go along with the section on why she was included. No mention of cut characters or needing to fill in a removed spot.

Scans are around if you Go looking at Nintendo sites. [if that type of hint is against the rules, I apologize and will remove].

Are you guys able to make anything out or are they too small?

 

[Senselessb]

Alright so that's the nail in Gematsu's coffin then. It sounds like someone made that list by misinterpreting the Japanese and adding their own assumptions.

Wasnt the translation already verified to be correct by several people? I'll translate it to see for myself (my japanese is a bit rusty though)

Edit: just read it. It talks a lot about Lucina getting her own spot, vs Wii Fit Trainer and how she performs different from Marth, but it for sure talks about including her into the game within a tight time frame based on her convenience

 

[SmithnCo]

What if the cut character was Rayman?

He was probably cut because he would've doubled their workload.

 

[Azure J]

Regarding New characters, last panel just blow me away

link since the image is quite big

This one is simultaneously so good and so saddening. I'll probably officially jump into Blazblue whenever Nine becomes a thing.

It's not a concession--we've known this to be the case

There was a lot of fighting in SmashGAF for a while about how the only characters left were those on the Gematsu list because of the weird phrasing about "participating characters".

...somehow I feel like Beelzebufo was arguing that point though.

Didn't the leaker say that the reveal would be shulk? It wasn't. And Chrom is not in the game, like he said he would be. Guys either a fraud, has bad information, or is completely guessing. Or a combination of the three. Either way it means he's hardly any more credible than any other rumor starting "leaker"

I feel like his info is actually good, just that some of it is dated or not representative of what this game's going to be as a whole.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

He was probably cut because he would've doubled their workload.

Invisible limbs are that difficult to animate, eh?

 

[PadWarrior]

Rofl!!

 

[InvincibleAgent]

He was probably cut because he would've doubled their workload.

Should have been Raywoman.

 

[Berordn]

Well, if they realized mid-development that they weren't going to have time to finish all of the newcomers, Chrom would definitely be first on the chopping block as the less interesting of the two FE newcomers.

The only way I could see this being the case is if the original plan was for a Robin/Chrom team-up character but they hit the same snags that they did with Dixie, which still wouldn't really explain the lost character. FE characters have always been one to a game up until now. I realize it's not really a trend because three games spread over fifteen years isn't really a good sample size, but if Marth and Ike were already planned, adding Chrom on top wouldn't do anything for diversity and that definitely seems to be one of the ultimate goals with newcomers this time. I dunno, I'm just really skeptical.

 

[chaosblade]

I think the leaker getting Chrom wrong could more likely be attributed to Chrom being an assumption rather than a solid fact. Leaker knew that a FE:A character was going to be in the game, and said "It must be Chrom" when it was actually Robin.

Another completely unrelated character gets cut for unknown reasons, and that's where the Lucina alt->full char comes from.

At least to me, that makes a lot more sense than assuming Chrom was cut for Lucina. Edit: Or maybe the cut thing is just total bullshit.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

I feel like his info is actually good, just that some of it is dated or not wholly representative of what this game's going to be as a whole.

Didn't the leaker say on Friday that it was 100% going to be Shulk revealed on Monday? I remember him using very strong, confident language. The fact that he was wrong makes me think that not only is his information incomplete, he's also BSing and exaggerating a little.

 

[Green Mamba]

So since it's clear we have a couple of posters who claim to read Japanese, what does the Lucina page say?

 

[The Bankslammer]

Scans are around if you Go looking at Nintendo sites. [if that type of hint is against the rules, I apologize and will remove].

Are you guys able to make anything out or are they too small?

The bit with that info isn't on either of those pages. So... I guess it's on a different page that nobody cared enough to upload because it's just text?

 

[JoeInky]

So we've had multiple people say the scan says nothing about a cut and yet people are still talking about it as if it's fact.


How long is this going to go on for?

 

[superNESjoe]

3 sentences for victory poses and a few "Hyah" or "Eeyah" noises. I could do it in 10 minutes.

Naive alert. Somebody has never
A) Worked in video games or
B) Conducted voice over recordings before.

 

[Red Arremer]

3 sentences for victory poses and a few "Hyah" or "Eeyah" noises. I could do it in 10 minutes.

There's more to voice acting than just this.

 

[Spinluck]

Just wondering, can we now disregard the Gematsu leak?

Not really, but the people who were saying it wasn't 100% were correct.

Um.. good sir, it appears the Wii U which is barely standing on its own feet needs the help.

If anything, 3DS sales may cannibalise the Wii U sales. The 3DS doesn't need saving, it's the Wii U that does.

3DS has underperformed every year it has been out, so yeah, Nintendo is releasing Smash on it in hopes that it boost sales.

Wii U needs help, but you're greatly exaggerating things; Nintendo has already said they're going to be supporting the console no matter what. That is all that matters for the people who purchased one.

 

[Lunar15]

So since it's clear we have a couple of posters who claim to read Japanese, what does the Lucina page say?

It reads: "We'd planned on giving fans some awesome info about Lucina here, but we'd rather spread the seeds of chaos through rumor and speculation. Yes, let it all burn to the ground!

My japanese is a little rusty, though.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

I think the leaker getting Chrom wrong could more likely be attributed to Chrom being an assumption rather than a solid fact. Leaker knew that a FE:A character was going to be in the game, and said "It must be Chrom" when it was actually Robin.

Another completely unrelated character gets cut for unknown reasons, and that's where the Lucina alt->full char comes from.

At least to me, that makes a lot more sense than assuming Chrom was cut for Lucina.

Back between the Smash Direct and this year's E3, I was pushing the idea that it was possible that the leaker could have gotten Chorus Kids and Marshal mixed up. With recent events in mind, it's not unreasonable that he/she just saw "Fire Emblem character" and "Rhythm Heaven character" on a list of playable characters at some point. After all, he/she submitted "Pokemon from X/Y."

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Naive alert. Somebody has never
A) Worked in video games or
B) Conducted voice over recordings before.

Or maybe I'm good at it. Regardless, Sakurai & co could have put Roy in, but decided instead to not do so. I am sad. That is all.

 

[Red Rudolph]

3 sentences for victory poses and a few "Hyah" or "Eeyah" noises. I could do it in 10 minutes.

Noooope.

 

[Kor of Memory]

So since it's clear we have a couple of posters who claim to read Japanese, what does the Lucina page say?

Umm...

なまえわジャソン

Spoiler

My name is Jason.

Like the only thing I remember from 3 semesters.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

So we've had multiple people say the scan says nothing about a cut and yet people are still talking about it as if it's fact.


How long is this going to go on for?

Where?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

3 sentences for victory poses and a few "Hyah" or "Eeyah" noises. I could do it in 10 minutes.

Multiple takes.

 

[OmegaSmash]

Back between the Smash Direct and this year's E3, I was pushing the idea that it was possible that the leaker could have gotten Chorus Kids and Marshal mixed up. With recent events in mind, it's not unreasonable that he/she just saw "Fire Emblem character" and "Rhythm Heaven character" on a list of playable characters at some point. After all, he/she submitted "Pokemon from X/Y."

In that case,the leak could've been from before Greninja had a name but the other characters did.