Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!

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Toxi said:
No, this is nothing compared to Geno.

Geno was a third-party owned secondary character from a SNES RPG treated as some huge thing. There were letters, petitions, the whole nine yards. Geno supporters were entirely convinced he was a shoe-in. The entire schbang was like a cult.

Sceptile is a starter Pokemon from a recent game (RS remakes).
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RS remake isn't out yet, so can't be called as recent :p
 
Spring-Loaded said:
Isn't that one of her taunts? She takes it off like this

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Yeah. First projectile taunt. it meteor smashes you as well
 
JoeM86 said:
But that's good for the collectors. Say there's 50 characters (Note: I just pulled a random number. Don't assume it's knowledge), each with a figure.

~$10 per figure. That's $500 on collecting them all.

But collectors like us are why Nintendo will soar in the next FY :p
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It's a lot for collectors who wish to buy them all but others may just be interested in their favorite characters who may not be available anytime soon when Smash comes out.

Pop-O-Matic said:
Don't want to flood the market.
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ShockingAlberto said:
Also stores probably aren't going to order 50 figures at once.
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True but there was a
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suggestion I read with Nintendo having starter amiibos and the rest being available through blind bags.
 
MrSaturn99 said:
I recognize this, but it was still promoted at the time Smash 4 was announced so the support was understandable.

This I didn't know, so admittedly that's a point in its favor. But it's still not Blaziken.
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It stopped being promoted by the time B2W2 came out which was before Smash 4 even got its first trailer and a few months after Smash 4 began in development. And Sakurai would be in the know of Game Freak's/TPCi's plans of promoting Pokemon.

Yea, Blaziken is definitely the most popular though.

For the record, I don't think Sceptile will be in, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with people wanting it in though.
Ryce said:
It's random in that there's nothing particularly notable about Sceptile that would warrant the attention it's been getting outside of the "starter trio" nonsense. Sceptile was not regularly brought up before Greninja's reveal, and even with OR/AS coming out, it still wouldn't feel like an organic character choice (to me, obviously). Lucario is the most popular D/P Pokémon, and Greninja is the most popular X/Y Pokémon. I get their inclusions. Sceptile is not the most popular R/S Pokémon -- it's not even the most popular R/S starter -- and so I don't see why it would be chosen as the sole representative of an entire generation.
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Sure, I don't think Sceptile will be in it, but no need to shit on people for wanting it. Geno is some character from an old Mario spin-off game, Sceptile isn't like that.

Also, that's not why Lucario is in Smash. Lucario is a mascot Pokemon (just like Pikachu and Charizard are mascot Pokemon) which is why it is in Smash, the fact that it was the most popular in D/P isn't relevant at all.

Greninja is in cause Sakurai liked its design lol, not because it is the most popular.
 
Ryce said:
All of this random Sceptile support/defense will be looked back on with embarrassment after the release of the game. It's the new Geno.
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I wouldn't say that. I only see minor support at best for Sceptile whereas Geno support was very loud in my experiences.

Besides, the way I see the Geno situation is more akin to asking for Lana from Hyrule Warriors to be in Smash 5 in that they're both third party characters that originated in a collaboration game.

JoeM86 said:
Incidentally, the Facebook added a 720 version of Rayman without him looking stoned
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Huh, maybe it is animated then. That or Sakurai somehow uploaded an older model before it was updated.
 
Fireblend said:
That leaks sounds like the wet dream of a smashboards user with way too much time on their hands. They really really believe Sakurai is designing a game just for them? Toggeable wave-dashing/L-cancelling?
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I'll eat my hat if half of it comes true except for the veterans coming back (because I really want Ness and Lucas back).

Joke's on you, I don't own a hat
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Yeah, that sounds like pure fan pipe dreaming. Different air dodges in different modes?

Also, Bandana Dee. Yeeeah...
 
Son Of D said:
I wouldn't say that. I only see minor support at best for Sceptile whereas Geno support was very loud in my experiences.

Besides, the way I see the Geno situation is more akin to asking for Lana from Hyrule Warriors to be in Smash 5 in that they're both third party characters that originated in a collaboration game.
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It'd be like that if Hyrule Warriors was a decade old and Lana never appeared again. :P
 
So what are the chances of Wario making a comeback?
Does not having a game coming out soon for either the 3ds or Wii U really hurt a characters chances of not appearing in the game?
 
Shadow_FFVI said:
So what are the chances of Wario making a comeback?
Does not having a game coming out soon for either the 3ds or Wii U really hurt a characters chances of not appearing in the game?
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Wario will be there for sure. I mean, if Waluigi is in Smash (as an AT though) and Ashley, then all the more the main guy Wario should be in.
 
Ashley also has the Wario icon which is pretty definitive.

For the Wario stage it would be cool if it went around to different parts of Diamond City. Maybe a minigame at each location.
 
Shadow_FFVI said:
So what are the chances of Wario making a comeback?
Does not having a game coming out soon for either the 3ds or Wii U really hurt a characters chances of not appearing in the game?
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See: Pit, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers...

Wario's got something in the ballpark of a 99.9% chance of being playable.
 
Lord_Byron28 said:
The best grass starter from one of the best gens that has yet to have any representation in Brawl and the remake was being developed at the same time as Sakurai was developing the roster.

Its never gonna happen but we can dream.
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Hey, like I said, R/S/E are my favorites but I just don't think it's plausible to expect a character from that (for these two games, anyway). There's wrong with wishlists, but it's absolutely not a sure thing.
 
DaBoss said:
Sure, I don't think Sceptile will be in it, but no need to shit on people for wanting it. Geno is some character from an old Mario spin-off game, Sceptile isn't like that.
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I'm not "shitting on" anyone for wanting Sceptile -- I'm just saying that it's silly to assume there's any merit to the starter trio theory. It's fine for someone to independently like Sceptile as a Pokémon, but the recent trend of including it in fake leaks is groan-worthy.

DaBoss said:
Also, that's not why Lucario is in Smash. Lucario is a mascot Pokemon (just like Pikachu and Charizard are mascot Pokemon) which is why it is in Smash, the fact that it was the most popular in D/P isn't relevant at all.

Greninja is in cause Sakurai liked its design lol, not because it is the most popular.
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I didn't say they're in the game because they're popular, just that their inclusion is defensible because of that. Sceptile isn't comparable to the other playable Pokémon from any perspective, be it popularity, "mascot status," or anything of the like. It would stick out like a sore thumb as a playable character.
 
K-A-Deman said:
Geno was in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga.
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OH SORRY I FORGOT HIS AMAZING CAMEO FOR THAT ONE MINIGAME

So it would be like if Lana appeared as a generic NPC who talks about goats in Twilight Princess.

Ryce said:
I didn't say they're in the game because they're popular, just that their inclusion is defensible because of that. Sceptile isn't comparable to the other playable Pokémon from any perspective, be it popularity, "mascot status," or anything of the like. It would stick out like a sore thumb as a playable character.
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He is Ash's Hoenn starter in the cartoon. Just sayin'.
 
DaBoss said:
It stopped being promoted by the time B2W2 came out which was before Smash 4 even got its first trailer and a few months after Smash 4 began in development. And Sakurai would be in the know of Game Freak's/TPCi's plans of promoting Pokemon.

Yea, Blaziken is definitely the most popular though.

For the record, I don't think Sceptile will be in, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with people wanting it in though.

Sure, I don't think Sceptile will be in it, but no need to shit on people for wanting it. Geno is some character from an old Mario spin-off game, Sceptile isn't like that.

Also, that's not why Lucario is in Smash. Lucario is a mascot Pokemon (just like Pikachu and Charizard are mascot Pokemon) which is why it is in Smash, the fact that it was the most popular in D/P isn't relevant at all.

Greninja is in cause Sakurai liked its design lol, not because it is the most popular.
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You've lost me. What do you mean by "mascot Pokemon"? Version covers? I think that Lucario being the most popular D/P Pokemon definitely sealed it's inclusion...
 
DaBoss said:
It stopped being promoted by the time B2W2 came out which was before Smash 4 even got its first trailer and a few months after Smash 4 began in development. And Sakurai would be in the know of Game Freak's/TPCi's plans of promoting Pokemon.

Yea, Blaziken is definitely the most popular though.

For the record, I don't think Sceptile will be in, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with people wanting it in though.
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I'm speaking from a 2011 perspective when the games were just announced and B/W had come out only a few months (he was common on fan rosters back then). The Zoroark support definitely died out after a year or so and I knew it'd be too late for any chance for it to get in when X/Y were announced.

I do apologize if I've come across as dismissing other people wanting characters but the way some folks are saying Sceptile "makes sense" just comes across as odd to me.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
Thread Title Poll is up now. QUOTE TO REVEAL LINK!!!



If the gap between 1st and 2nd place is >5 votes, I'll do a runoff by page 190.
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As usual, I want to emphasize that the winner title wouldn't be guarantee to be used. Vote the titles wisely.

Also if we actually got a major update before this thread ended then it's possible that we could go with that.
 
Ryce said:
I'm not "shitting on" anyone for wanting Sceptile -- I'm just saying that it's silly to assume there's any merit to the starter trio theory. It's fine for someone to independently like Sceptile as a Pokémon, but the recent trend of including it in fake leaks is groan-worthy.
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I'm sure Sceptile fans are sorry for the inclusion of Sceptile in leaks to warrant your first post on the matter.

Like I agree with what you said and I don't think Sceptile would be plausible as a Smash 4 newcomer, but your post about Sceptile support/defense and the Geno comparison was uncalled for.
AnkiRendan said:
You've lost me. What do you mean by "mascot Pokemon"? Version covers? I think that Lucario being the most popular D/P Pokemon definitely sealed it's inclusion...
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My bad, I wasn't very clear, I mean it being the most popular in D/P isn't relevant to Smash right now.

And mascot Pokemon means a Pokemon that appears frequently in the anime, games, merchandise, and any other form of promotion for Pokemon. The main 3 Pokemon are Pikachu, Charizard, and Lucario.
MrSaturn99 said:
I'm speaking from a 2011 perspective when the games were just announced and B/W had come out only a few months (he was common on fan rosters back then). The Zoroark support definitely died out after a year or so and I knew it'd be too late for any chance for it to get in when X/Y were announced.

I do apologize if I've come across as dismissing other people wanting characters but the way some folks are saying Sceptile "makes sense" just comes across as odd to me.
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Yea, in 2011, I definitely agree with you there (and now that I read your post again, that is what you said at first lol, my bad about responding about when it came into development).

Personally, I don't feel like you've come off as dismissing others wanting Sceptile.
 
Voted.

Where 90% Right is 100% Wrong > Samurai Pls (just for the double joke on Sakurai and the recent Takamaru discussion/wanting) = Please, No Chroms > For Fun! For Glory! For My Father! > all.
 
Ryce said:
I'm not "shitting on" anyone for wanting Sceptile -- I'm just saying that it's silly to assume there's any merit to the starter trio theory. It's fine for someone to independently like Sceptile as a Pokémon, but the recent trend of including it in fake leaks is groan-worthy.


I didn't say they're in the game because they're popular, just that their inclusion is defensible because of that. Sceptile isn't comparable to the other playable Pokémon from any perspective, be it popularity, "mascot status," or anything of the like. It would stick out like a sore thumb as a playable character.
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Why is keeping the starter trio a silly theory? The basic elemental triangle there is thematic of Pokemon and there's still the precedent from Brawl of having each type of starter. I actually think it would be jarring to only have a fire and water starter in the next game with one piece of the triangle mysteriously gone. And about their 'status' I wouldn't say Greninja is Pikachu/Charizard tier and his popularity was lucky as it had nothing to do with him being chosen.

But as you can tell by my avatar I'm a bit biased towards Sceptile, lol
 
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