Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Walmart
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King Cobra
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Was he really waiving the rifle at people?
speculawyer
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dude .... he was black.
vas_a_morir
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That's a 'banned-member posting,' like a dead-man walking. I've been around GAF long enough to know when I see it. lol
I had no idea Ohio was so bad. I probably depends on where you live and the people with whom you regularly associate. I am from a state most would consider 'historically racist' myself, and you wouldn't believe how shocked I was at the open racism I heard in NYC. Conversely, when people from the South come around, they say things passively that would be record-scratchers where I'm from and around the people with whom I regularly associate. However, in certain circles, I know some ill shit gets said where I'm from. Just, I don't hang around trash.
Does a toy gun turn into a real one if you wave it hard enough?
Angelus Errare
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We don't know, only account we have is that of a couple who said the guy gave them a dehumanizing stare.
Clearly John Crawford was continuing that extensive history on black-on-white crime when he held a toy gun and accidentally frightened a pair of white customers. Thank God the cops were able to stop that criminal before he continued his rampage.
I'm actually in favor of gun control.
I also think the cops are fucking terrifying, and it's not because they're armed with guns. It's because they have barely any consequences for obvious abuses of their position when in reality they should have greater consequences because their position is so important. And they know this and abuse it. If they were just armed with just billy clubs, they'd still do the same shit, just less efficiently. Yes, there are "good" cops, but when they support a system that defends the "bad" ones, I end up feeling like I can't trust any cop.
EDIT: Wait, I'm white. Guess I can trust them not to shoot me.
theignoramus
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Or maybe your comments are completely inappropriate for the thread. You come in here, post some racially charged remarks that have nothing at all to do with the topic being discussed, then have the nerve to try and pretend that your (off topic) shit is just being misconstrued and we're the mob with pitchforks out to get you?
Get out of here with your shit.
King Cobra
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Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault. Only an idiot would do that and take it as a joke.
http://www.colorofcrime.com
If someone can prove to me this is bullshit I will withdraw my comment. But I just constantly see all this media hype about whites doing blacks injustice yet I never see any such reporting when the opposite occurs. Of course racism played a part in this and various other cases like it. Of course it did. I'm not justifying racism of ANY kind. All I am saying is that white people get the short end of the stick in the media where as black people get the short end of the stick in the incidents. I just don't like the sensationalism of the racist element of things that only further fuels racism on a whole. As someone on the previous page told me to just ignore it I feel like a lot of damage could be dealt to racism if people (specifically the media) didn't hype it up all the time and raise tensions unnecessarily.
WOW.
No, it's not. And I don't care how realistic that gun looked, if he's in a toy store selling toy guns, you need more than an isolated call to justify killing him without any other engaging whatsoever. Not to mention the witnesses are apparently not even telling the truth and seem pretty racist.Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault.
Especially if you're in a country where
white
Did you seriously just cite a study performed by the New Century Foundation?
Why not also cite the KKK?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault. Only an idiot would do that and take it as a joke.
The same person who gave us that account also claimed he saw the guy load it and didn't notice it was an air rifle. This gun is loaded from the side. The clip is just decoration.
And the guy is an ex-Marine, FFS.
And we're supposed to believe he thought the victim was an armed thug out to rob and/or shoot up the store, yet sent his wife to check it out on one of Walmart's motorized scooters.
ramuh
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Unfortunately if this is true (haven't taken a look at FBI statistics or anything) I would make a thread about instead of posting here. Seems like a different thread topic. This is about a dude getting shot holding a toy gun that was sold where he was shot. Pretty crappy. Unless proven that Race was the motivating factor in this shooting, Race is less important than the fact the guy was shot holding a store's merchandise.
Booty Patrol
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Color of crime, huh 👀
Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault. Only an idiot would do that and take it as a joke.
We're talking about a country where people walk around these stores with actual, loaded firearms.
He didn't expect to be taken seriously with that bullshit. Nobody is that stupid. You're not that stupid, right lawful? You were joking with that, right?
Doesn't Walmart sell actual guns in certain states though? I know K-Mart did for awhile where I live.
Oh, hey. I learned something from that link:
Did you just go with the first source you hit upon in Google?
vas_a_morir
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Thats your response to your research..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
You cite white supremacist material??? And then just go "nevermind then." But you still think that there is any valid point that you're making about sensationalizing things?
You have no real point other than people shouldn't talk about things because of reasons, and here is some racist bullshit that I have read and cite.
Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault. Only an idiot would do that and take it as a joke.
He didn't go to a public place to "wave it around." He went to a public place to legally purchase that toy. The only witness descriptions we have are from the two dubious idiots who called the cops in the first place and whose testimony already sounds dumb, vague and contradictory.
I agree that maybe you're delusional.
He went with his girlfriend, and was on the phone with his mother while getting shot.
So, lets watch as all of a sudden how the witnesses (who clearly have problems in identification) are much, much, much more credible than all of the victims families statements combined.
So? What if it was real? Have you read my post?
Vicetrailia
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Lawful is transparent, and has been seen through as clear as day. But he still doesn't know when to stop. Different user, same bullshit tactics. Stop the comedy and evolve already.
What would you like me to say? i clearly said if its bullshit I retract what I say. Am I supposed to dig in my heels so I can justify YOUR argument? I'm sorry but I don't want to be on the white supremacist side. I must have overheard that "fact" somewhere before and like the armchair commentator I am assumed it t be fact. I was wrong. I retract what I said as it was WRONG. I made a mistake and I am sorry for it.
I'm sorry, you don't drop a statement like this...
...And then cite a study by a white supremacist group and then start trying to lecture us about race.
I'm not defending the shooting at all, but this point is totally irrelevant. Open carry doesn't mean you can point your gun at people. And a state without open carry doesn't mean police can shoot someone holding a weapon on sight.
DoktorEvil
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Look what happened to this guy is awful, but you go around a public place waving something like this around
especially if he was pointing it at people like the witness claim he did. Sorry but this was his own fault. Only an idiot would do that and take it as a joke.
Oh boy...
You ever handle a weapon like that before? I've handled a bolt action rifle and lemme tell you, you NEED both hands.
Yeah, you don't "aim it in the sky" if you intend to harm people, let alone handle it with one hand. But the big bad former marine should know this shit right? Right? RIGHT?
The witness and his scooter wife didn't know jack shit and they're directly responsible for killing two people for their ignorant 911 call.
Does Walmart have a responsibility in keeping those rifles in a box? Fuck yes they do.
But this one was because of those 2 shitty people and their "dehumanizing stare" bullshit.
Angelus Errare
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He's going the distance folks!
King Cobra
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I understand this, but we don't waive them around and point them at people like the witnesses claim this guy did.
The report says that the officers told him to put the gun down and you didn't comply, did you bother to read everything that happened or are you just choosing to turn this into a race issue?
Regardless of your opinion of them until walmart releases security footage that is all we have and the report from the police claiming they instructed him to drop his weapon and he didn't.
Clockwork
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I agree with this.
If they were already apprehensive or had some preconceived notion (why would that be? *wink*) it can distort one's viewpoint of the matter.
Waving around could be just him walking around the store with the gun in one hand and his cell phone in the other, not really paying attention. To mention that people avoided him/were scare of him was a bit strange, but the likely scenario was because the wife was tailing him and signaling to people there was a problem.
There are literally 1 million police officers in U.S... These instances that makes the news and GAF threads are very small percentages. If you want more professional cops, then dream on or up the standards and raise the pay, because they aren't paid enough really. Cops don't get anywhere near the credibility they deserve consider they literally risk life and limb for 40K a year.
There are bad policies in certain cities and states that need to be changed though.
What happened to this, my dude: But I'm bowing out of this now as I can see I'm just going to get labeled racist and nobody will understand that it's a two way street.
ramuh
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He clearly apologized..
Air Zombie Meat
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It'd be nice if people got their facts straight before they started posting, not after.
You said so what if he had a toy gun in a store thats sells toy guns and that there would need to be more justification in shooting him. If that store in question sold real guns that might be more of a reason to think it was real. Does that justify it? No.
The guy is minding his own business and hears PUT THE GUN DOWN -- I would think most people would turn around to see what the fuck was going on. Seems the act of turning around inquisitively while black is a crime worthy of immediate death.
bob_arctor
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Yeah, you should relax there, Mr. Know It All.
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