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[Finale Fireworker]

I don't foresee ANY characters being on a separate screen. Not even DLC characters, who I think will be formatted into the grid. I think people focus too much on having a complete rectangle. An incomplete bottom row is not out of the question, just remember Melee.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Yes to that last bit.


The way I see it, Fire Emblem was a dying franchise with a resurgence in popularity, 4 reps is somewhat deserved, especially considering one of them in a clone.

Meanwhile DK has had a similar resurgence in popularity except that it's far greater in terms of sales than FE is, with an equally popular sequel.

I just heavily dislike the treatment of the Metroid and DK franchises in the smash series, especially when C-tier franchises seemingly get more love.

I wouldn't call Tropical Freeze as "equally popular" as DKCR, but I still I wouldn't mind Dixie Kong entering the fray. I think K.Rool is a lost cause at this point, unfortunately

 

[Toxi]

Attempting to rationalize this just for the hell of it:

Fire Emblem makes entire new casts of characters every game or two. We got the player-character and one of the two most important NPCs of the most recent game, which became a million-seller and basically performed franchise necromancy..

DK games always star DK himself. The other heroes are just sidekicks, and the one-time recurring nemesis has been shelved lately.

So I guess the logic could be used that headliners from a recent game are more important than a long-time recurring sidekick or hibernating bad guy.

Not saying it's fair or accurate or anything. Unless somebody asks in an interview we'll never know.

Are those lizards in smash run Kremlings?

LOL how many DK games have you played?

 

[Toxi]

nvm

 

[ffdgh]

LOL how many DK games have you played?

Well technically..,DK(donkey kong) for dkc1. DK(Diddy kong) for dkc2 and DK(Dixie kong) For Dkc3.

Also king k rool, captain k rool, and baron von...whatever.

Spoiler

sarcasm

 

[JoeInky]

I wouldn't call Tropical Freeze as "equally popular" as DKCR, but I still I wouldn't mind Dixie Kong entering the fray. I think K.Rool is a lost cause at this point, unfortunately

Eh, I actually see K. Rool as more likely than Dixie despite TF.

It just seems like you'd be able to do more with K. Rools character than Dixie and I'm biased towards villains anyway, just seems like he would be a better way of representing the DK franchise than Dixie.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

A darkened out/inaccessible character icon would look terrible when playing online, and considering the inherent nature of Mii Fighters (three different movesets with a high degree of customizability), I wouldn't be surprised to see them relegated to a separate menu. They're unlike the rest of the roster in a lot of ways.

Also, with the roster I'm anticipating, there just isn't any room for them on an 8x6 (3DS) or 12x4 (Wii U) select screen.

It looks more terrible to be tossed into some side menu like a third rate character. Customization has nothing to do with it, I could replace Mii with Palutena in your post, she's also built all around customization.

They're like the rest of the roster in every way, besides the ability to change costumes and not be playable with random online. And those are extremely minor difference to shove them off like they don't even matter as characters.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I would if I wasn't so shy but now is as good a time as any to break out of it.

Now is definitely a good time! You need to come on out, we don't bite. :3

Yeah, like the attic.

This post made me chuckle.

EDIT: I just noticed the lack of Lucas. Snake being gone is bad enough.

Accept it, spin. :3

Stage tonight

You just doomed us!!

Now we're getting a boring filler pic of Pyrosphere.

 

[Ryce]

If there are DLC characters then I'm positive we'll get Dixie Kong that way. She and Mewtwo are essentially DLC shoo-ins -- they both made big comebacks in the last two years.

 

[fredrancour]

LOL how many DK games have you played?

We didn't own an SNES when I was little.I guess my four-year-old's memories of games at my uncle's house aren't very clear.

 

[Toxi]

I... don't know. I missed most of his games as a kid and just assumed.

Well crap.

Whoopsiedaisy.

We didn't own an SNES when I was little.I guess my four-year-old's memories of games at my uncle's house aren't very clear.

I understand, but it was still funny.

 

[rawktapus]

Eh, I actually see K. Rool as more likely than Dixie despite TF.

It just seems like you'd be able to do more with K. Rools character than Dixie and I'm biased towards villains anyway, just seems like he would be a better way of representing the DK franchise than Dixie.

I'm kind of torn. Personally, I think Dixie is definitely more recognizable, and there's still plenty of ways you could differentiate her from Diddy, BUT K.Rool would go even FURTHER than she would and could really stand out with completely seperate gimmicks and playstyle. My bias probably leans more in favor of Dixie, but in a perfect world, we'd get both.

 

[Weiner Whistle]

It looks more terrible to be tossed into some side menu like a third rate character. Customization has nothing to do with it, I could replace Mii with Palutena in your post, she's also built all around customization.

They're like the rest of the roster in every way, besides the ability to change costumes and not be playable with random online. And those are extremely minor difference to shove them off like they don't even matter as characters.

This is exactly why I think all three should get their own slots using the visual appearance of their official artwork, like this:

 

[fredrancour]

Whoopsiedaisy.



I understand, but it was still funny.

Yeah, i get it.

I should probably go back and actually play the dkc trilogy myself now that DKC R turned out to be something I loved.....always thought they looked super-boring but after I got Returns 3d off club nintendo it blew my mind.

 

[Neiteio]

I'm still pretty sure this is what the final roster is going to look like:

The layout is based on the 3DS demo, and the characters fall into place with relative ease.

• The six characters leading the rows (Mario, Link, Pit, Kirby, Pikachu, and Villager) appear on both the 3DS and Wii U box arts. Samus is the only other character to do so. They’re also listed in the order of their debut, with Mario in 1981, Link in 1986, and so on.
• The middle two rows are led by Kid Icarus and Kirby, two franchises which Sakurai worked on. In Melee and Brawl, Kirby also appeared in the middle of the select screen.
• The Mario universe encompasses the top row and hooks down at the end to include Wario.
• Wario and Chorus Kids are touching, which are both developed by the same team.
• The 1986 Disk System series (Zelda, Metroid, and Kid Icarus) are all touching.
• Pit is below Link (bow-wielding heroes), and Palutena is below Zelda (titular female mages).
• Zelda, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade are all touching, which could be broadly categorized as “weapon-based mythology” series.
• Dedede and Ice Climbers, the hammer wielders, are next to each other.
• Pokémon and Mother are together, which are both RPG series with ambiguous historical links (Ape/Creatures).
• Star Fox and F-Zero are touching, which seem to share a universe.
• The two “captains” (Falcon and Olimar) are together.
• The hardware-based characters (WFT, R.O.B., and G&W) are together.
• The two oldest characters from 1980 are together, G&W and Pac-Man.

Of course, a lot of that might be a coincidence, but it’s all reminiscent of the OCD Sakurai exhibited in putting Brawl’s select screen together.

Looks good. I'm still optimistic Mewtwo could return, in which case they could always free up a slot by integrating Random into the character box or some such (the place where your render appears, in this case on the bottom screen).

 

[MrSaturn99]

Eh, I actually see K. Rool as more likely than Dixie despite TF.

It just seems like you'd be able to do more with K. Rools character than Dixie and I'm biased towards villains anyway, just seems like he would be a better way of representing the DK franchise than Dixie.

I agree with the bolded, but unless he makes a major comeback of some sort I don't think his chance are so hot. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[Village]

Why people leave lucas out of their rosters

" but the leak "

That as of now is irrelevant?

 

[MrSaturn99]

Why people leave lucas out of their rosters

yeah I know man

" but the leak "

That as of now is irrelevant?

Not necessarily.

 

[JoeInky]

I agree with the bolded, but unless he makes a major comeback of some sort I don't think his chance are so hot. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong.

Eh, he adds some much needed villain representation, a proper heavyweight to the newcomers, more diversity to the DK representation than Dixie and has more of a Nostalgia factor than Dixie due to not being used recently.

The way I see it, he's the prime candidate for a DK newcomer, but I doubt that's the way Sakurai would see it.

 

[OricWindstar]

At least he's very polite about it.

 

[Ryce]

They're like the rest of the roster in every way, besides the ability to change costumes and not be playable with random online. And those are extremely minor difference to shove them off like they don't even matter as characters.

"They're just like everyone else, except for these instances where they aren't."

Miis are also individually named, they have different heights/weights, and they don't even have their own series logo. I'm not saying with absolute certainty that they won't be on the main select screen, but they definitely aren't typical characters. I also don't see how giving them their own menu equates to "they don't even matter as characters."

 

[ffdgh]

Sooo...sonic with a poison mushroom?

 

[Red Arremer]

Minisonic the Hedgehog, original character donotsteal

 

[Fireblend]

Maybe minisonic is just a smaller sonic in which case he could imagine every other fighter was shrunk down by Master Hand! Problem solved.

 

[Toxi]

Eh, he adds some much needed villain representation, a proper heavyweight to the newcomers, more diversity to the DK representation than Dixie and has more of a Nostalgia factor than Dixie due to not being used recently.

The way I see it, he's the prime candidate for a DK newcomer, but I doubt that's the way Sakurai would see it.

Wait, so your reasoning for him being in over Dixie is that Dixie has actually been brought back by Nintendo instead of being left in the gutter?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Yes to that last bit.


The way I see it, Fire Emblem was a dying franchise with a resurgence in popularity, 4 reps is somewhat deserved, especially considering one of them in a clone.

Meanwhile DK has had a similar resurgence in popularity except that it's far greater in terms of sales than FE is, with an equally popular sequel.

I just heavily dislike the treatment of the Metroid and DK franchises in the smash series, especially when C-tier franchises seemingly get more love.



Also, a 48 character Roster (49 with Miis) is just disappointing anyway...

47 characters plus 3 mii so 50 characters. Actually I would be very happy with that.

 

[BGBW]

To lay it real clear. The history of Donkey Kong in his series:

Donkey Kong - Baddy
Donkey Kong Jr - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong 3 - Baddy
Donkey Kong '94 - Baddy
Donkey Kong Country - Hero
Donkey Kong Land - Hero
Donkey Kong Country 2 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Land 2 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Country 3 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Land 3 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong 64 - Hero
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - Hero
Donkey Kong Country Returns - Hero
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze - Hero

That means Donkey Kong is roughly kidnapped 36% of the time in his own series!

 

[JoeInky]

LOL wut

For me, I'm always more appreciative of newcomers that haven't seen games in a long time, I'd be more excited about the concept of Dixie as a newcomer if she hadn't been in Tropical Freeze.

Nostalgia's probably the wrong word but I couldn't think of what else to call it.

 

[PadWarrior]

Now is definitely a good time! You need to come on out, we don't bite. :3



This post made me chuckle.



Accept it, spin. :3



You just doomed us!!

Now we're getting a boring filler pic of Pyrosphere.

Lol my bad

 

[BGBW]

Why people leave lucas out of their rosters

" but the leak "

That as of now is irrelevant?

In fact the leak didn't even say Lucas was cut, just that it was considered.

 

[fredrancour]

To lay it real clear. The history of Donkey Kong in his series:

Donkey Kong - Baddy
Donkey Kong Jr - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong 3 - Baddy
Donkey Kong '94 - Baddy
Donkey Kong Country - Hero
Donkey Kong Land - Hero
Donkey Kong Country 2 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Land 2 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Country 3 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong Land 3 - Kidnapped
Donkey Kong 64 - Hero
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - Hero
Donkey Kong Country Returns - Hero
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze - Hero

That means Donkey Kong is roughly kidnapped 36% of the time in his own series!

Damn. Revise the Nintendo Princesses Streetpass puzzle to include DK.

 

[Village]

yeah I know man



Not necessarily.

Yes necessarily

You have no idea if anything else that he said is true, none. He know could nothing, he could have heard bullshit. Nothing.

That shit with FE peeps didn't just dis-confirm chrom, but showed that alot of the information he had at the moment could be bullshit. Dude was wrong about remaining new comers, who was being revealed , and reps for a new series. His information could have ended and palutena and pacman.


We have no Idea, all that lucas cut DLC bullshit could be bullshit.

And he missed rosalina last time, and everyone magically forgets that so they believe their magical leaker man.

 

[ffdgh]

Damn. Revise the Nintendo Princesses Streetpass puzzle to include DK.

Dk before daisy too? Poor girl can't catch a break.

 

[Troubled Bat]

If DLC characters end up being a thing, then I will delay my tournament until those characters are out. Just in case there's more playable female characters to be added to the roster of Smash 4.

It'd make things a lot more interesting. Plus I still wonder what is exactly up with the 'Chorus Kids' if they do end up becoming a thing.

 

[SmithnCo]

I honestly don't see why they'd cut Lucas... The veterans are easier to implement and he has a unique moveset. Would suck to see him go.

 

[Red Arremer]

If DLC characters end up being a thing, then I will delay my tournament until those characters are out. Just in case there's more playable female characters to be added to the roster of Smash 4.

What if it didn't come out until like 5 months afterwards?

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[GiantBreadbug]

yeah I know man

Not necessarily.

Kinda yeah. Plus, it's kinda hilarious how the one leak said "Lucas may be cut I don't know" and now everyone treats Lucas like the big suprise cut. Like, what the what? Plus we now know that whatever info the leaker had was old or possibly made up.

The idea that Lucas is in danger has been completely, and I mean completely fabricated by proponents of that leak. The leak that has been proven to be inconsistent.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Dk before daisy too? Poor girl can't catch a break.

She's only been a damsel in distress once.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I have trouble buying into a CSS that relegates certain characters to a seperate page. That would be extremely inconvenient any time you're playing with friends and one of them wants to use a Mii.

I also don't believe Lucas is cut.

 

[ffdgh]

She's only been a damsel in distress once.

Explain Rosalina.

 

[Red Arremer]

The idea that Lucas is in danger has been completely, and I mean completely fabricated by proponents of that leak. The leak that has been proven to be inconsistent.

Well, not solely, he's in the same boat as Wolf is, and Lucario and Ike were, characters that are being or had been considered as very likely cuts because they were "clone-ish".

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Explain Rosalina.

Miyamoto kidnapped her from Mario Galaxy 2.

 

[OricWindstar]

She's only been a damsel in distress once.

1 out of 1 is 100%, though.

 

[BGBW]

If specials were the only thing differentiating Lucas and Ness then I could see the argument of Ness absorbing Lucas' moves as custom specials, but he also has different normal attacks so that's not a possibility.

 

[fredrancour]

Dk before daisy too? Poor girl can't catch a break.

She's only been a damsel in distress once.

She and waluigi need to orchestrate themselves some kidapping fraud to artificially boost their stock in the world of Nintendo.

By which I mean the next wario platformer should have Daisy as the main villain, kidnapping Waluigi.

 

[Village]

Well, not solely, he's in the same boat as Wolf is, and Lucario and Ike were, characters that are being or had been considered as very likely cuts because they were "clone-ish".

There is no boat.

The fans made up the boat.

 

[MrSaturn99]

His information could have ended and palutena and pacman.

This is what I meant by "not necessarily". At the very least, you can't just deny the first portion of the leak that had Wii Fit Trainer included. As Giantbreadbug pointed out, it's most likely Gematsu had old/outdated information.

Granted, the Sakurai article regarding Chrom (which it makes it sound like the character wasn't even part of the development phase) can render even that theory suspect, but who knows, really. Regardless, you can't put the entirety of it down.

We have no Idea, all that lucas cut DLC bullshit could be bullshit.

I sure fucking hope so.

 

[Ryce]

And he missed rosalina last time, and everyone magically forgets that so they believe their magical leaker man.

The leaker never claimed to know the full roster, nor did they say that Rosalina wasn't playable. There isn't an issue here.

 

[Red Arremer]

If specials were the only thing differentiating Lucas and Ness then I could see the argument of Ness absorbing Lucas' moves as custom specials, but he also has different normal attacks so that's not a possibility.

I agree. Which is why I don't see Lucas as clone. He might have similar specials, but they can differentiate Lucas more if they wanted to, and he already has a completely unique moveset beyond the specials.
Only Falco, Toon Link, Luigi, Ganondorf and now Lucina are the true clones of the series (beyond the ones that got axed from Melee).

She and waluigi need to orchestrate themselves some kidapping fraud to artificially boost their stock in the world of Nintendo.

By which I mean the next wario platformer should have Daisy as the main villain, kidnapping Waluigi.

I would buy this Day 1.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I honestly don't see why they'd cut Lucas... The veterans are easier to implement and he has a unique moveset. Would suck to see him go.

Exactly, I really don't see him getting cut. Especially since his model is basically Ness, they wear the same gear and are the same height.

What if it didn't come out until like 5 months afterwards?

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As the great Kyzon would say. "Don't kill my vibe."