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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty

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Speaking of Dark Pit, even if you don't like him, this song was confirmed a while back to be in the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwvA3ywRNqg

And it's my favorite track from Kid Icarus Uprising. It goes way beyond a simple level tune into like some sort of crazy classic rock thing about 2 minutes in when the keyboard kicks into full swing.

It's a fantastic track and will be awesome to have in Smash.
 
Now post the little mermaid version.

How many versions are there?!

Prepping for tonight's PoTD:

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But...tomorrow is Saturday?
 
Retconning a game called Duck Hunt so it was never really about hunting ducks? Yeah… even Kojima wouldn't pull a fast one like that.
 
Miku is a mascot for computer software, later it would have popular merchandise which included Nendoroids, which in turn led to a series of game being based of these range of products which itself is a spinoff of another range of games based on the character.

Basically, It's not anime.

Great clarification. Still, Miku isn't known to the larger demographic stateside so Nintendo would be shooting themselves in the foot by adding her in.
 
If the leak is real, I'll be really excited to see Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr. in action.

Duck Hunt — The design looks AMAZING. Like, "holy shit, make a new game" amazing. And I like how happy the dog and duck look together. I'm a huge animal lover (and vegetarian), so I never particularly liked the idea of shooting ducks. (Yes, I say that without a hint of irony as I link together kill streaks in Bullestorm!) But I'm wondering if Sakurai will retcon the nature of Duck Hunt so that the player wasn't really killing ducks, but... stunning them, or something. At any rate, from a mechanical standpoint, the concept is enticing because the dog and duck will surely work together in some way. How remains to be seen. Super-pumped for this character, if real.

Bowser Jr. — I never liked the idea of Bowser Jr. by himself, but then I never thought of him piloting the Clown Car. That alone makes the idea really, really interesting. He could become Smash's MODOK! The changing expressions on the Clown Car, the extend-o-arms, the wealth of projectiles (Bullet Bills, Bob-ombs, Mecha Koopas, Big Steelies)... There's a lot of potential here. And if it's true that you can use any of the seven Koopalings as alts, well, it's like a dream-come-true character for me.

These are pretty much my thoughts. I always laughed at people who wanted the Duck Hunt Dog in, but just that little snippet of a render looks fantastic to me. I also outright despised the thought of Lil' B joining the battle, but piloting the Koopa Clown Car? Now that's a lot more interesting than just using a paintbrush or some magic spells as many suggested.
 
Oh man, Afoni got permabanned? How does that even happen, I feel like bans are always time limited?

Because he's dumb

His tag has something like "If I ever imply that I have some insider knowledge, or even imply it without substantiated evidence please ban me" or something like that. Made a claim, got banned.
 
I actually didn't really like the design of the Prime pirates. The weird insectoid / crustacean thing they have going on in the mainline titles is cooler, imo. Prime's pirates seemed like they were channeling Elites a little too hard.
 
Oh yeah! I remember this!

Even though Sakurai seemed to be like "Hey, just cause I post this doesn't mean it's a direct reference to Smash Bros", I always had the feeling Dark Pit could be in.

Dark Pit could work, his signature weapon isn't the Palutena bow, but is actually the Dark staff. Make him have Pit's Brawl recovery and have the staff be his main weapon of choice and bam! Slightly different Pit character.

I didn't think much of this photo until after the Charizard reveal.
 
I switched to #TeamNeutral, Ash.

Thanks for switching me to #TeamReal, Ash!
You didn't take me off of #TeamFake though. :P

Yo, MaverickHunterAshj, I already defected to TeamReal!

Thanks all for letting me know, I'll make all requisite corrections for the next update!

Should I drop everything and head over to see the Michael Bay Ninja Turtles movie right now? :P

You know, this is a very unpopular opinion, but as a big TMNT fan, I thought the Bay movie was pretty good and just a lot of fun. Definitely not the best incarnation of the Turtles ever, but it wasn't anything even approaching "bad" IMO. But the very best Turtles stuff you can watch at this point is the first movie, the fourth movie ("TMNT"), and the Nickelodeon cartoon. Lots of people don't want to admit it, but the '80s/'90s cartoon hasn't aged well at all.

Not sure if posted but, apparently saw on my facebook feed that Hyrule Warriors and Smash 4 are going to be at PAX Prime.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/hyrule-warriors-and-smash-bros-to-appear-at-pax-prime-2014

Yep, and when I'm not busy with UDON matters, I'll be there with Andre playing and recording the hell out of Smash for ya'll!


I would be 100% down with this. One hundred fucking percent.
 
Oh man, Afoni got permabanned? How does that even happen, I feel like bans are always time limited?

I... know someone who was permabanned for posting a scan without knowing the rule a couple years back and then his/her subsequent accounts just keep getting banned for being alt accounts.

You gotta follow the rules, but being shunned for life for an accidental scan does seem kind of harsh in my books.
 
If the reason is serious enough or he/she's been banned enough times (I think?).

Because he's dumb

His tag has something like "If I ever imply that I have some insider knowledge, or even imply it without substantiated evidence please ban me" or something like that. Made a claim, got banned.

From what I understand; if you get banned too often for similar behavior mods might make it permanently.
Ah, I see. Well, he was always kind of hostile, so I can't say I'll miss him much.

Yeah I'm wondering about this too. I heard it was something about Ice Climbers?
He was pretending the Japanese site had Ice Climbers music on it.
 
Yeah I'm wondering about this too. I heard it was something about Ice Climbers?
He was saying the leak was debunked because the Ice Climbers theme was one of the songs listed in the screenshot.

Of course he probably can't even read Japanese and was just flat out trolling.
 
Saw this posted a few pages back but just gonna reiterate. If you guys aren't busy be sure to tune into Smash The Record this weekend, huge Melee charity event going on in Florida aiming to break a Guinness world record of the longest Fighting Game marathon ever held. Players like M2K, Mango and Hungrybox are in attendance amongst many others.

You can watch and donate to St Jude by tuning into VGBootCamp: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Expect a lot of great matches and moments like this.
 
Saw this posted a few pages back but just gonna reiterate. If you guys aren't busy be sure to tune into Smash The Record this weekend, huge Melee charity event going on in Florida aiming to break a Guinness world record of the longest Fighting Game marathon ever held. Players like M2K, Mango and Hungrybox are in attendance amongst many others.

You can watch and donate to St Jude by tuning into VGBootCamp: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Expect a lot of great matches and moments like this.
Oh man, that's awesome! I'll definitely tune in.
 
Yeah I'm wondering about this too. I heard it was something about Ice Climbers?

Well, basically:


One of those untranslated tracks is the Ice Climbers melody.

Leak debunked.

No. Battlefield, Kongo Jungle, Gear Gateway, and then four Zelda tracks. Same as English.

That's only in the English one.

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Why are you not yet banned?

because i've not broken any rules

Though at some point in the middle he admitted he was joking. Regardless, he presented it as fact at first. But at the same time it is afoni, so no need to take dubious claims seriously.
 
Saw this posted a few pages back but just gonna reiterate. If you guys aren't busy be sure to tune into Smash The Record this weekend, huge Melee charity event going on in Florida aiming to break a Guinness world record of the longest Fighting Game marathon ever held. Players like M2K, Mango and Hungrybox are in attendance amongst many others.

You can watch and donate to St Jude by tuning into VGBootCamp: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Expect a lot of great matches and moments like this.

Sadly I can't be there but I will tune in. :D
 
Ah, I see. Well, he was always kind of hostile, so I can't say I'll miss him much.

All of his posts were jokes, though (he literally announced he was "breaking character" for one post this morning.) The problem was, people took him seriously and believed his plainly absurd claims. I thought he was a lot of fun.

Why duck? You're not wrong.

Experience tells me the majority of this thread doesn't see things that way.
 
Lets not at all compare Banjo and Kazooie to some dog and a random duck
No, let's! It's a surprisingly clever way of making such a character work - I'd never even considered it until it was proposed the day of the leak. Made the character shoot up from "ha ha, yeah right" to "actually, this would be pretty interesting" in a split-second.

The character I don't like in the leak is Dark Pit. It's Pit, but angrier and wearing black where he'd normally wear white. I haven't the foggiest idea what he'd bring to the table, gameplay-wise - I think ShockingAlberto suggested he'd be identical to Brawl Pit, others have suggested he'd use different items from Uprising than what Pit uses, but it still strikes me as kinda phoned-in. It reeks of Good Cole/Evil Cole, honestly.

Yeah I'm wondering about this too. I heard it was something about Ice Climbers?
He claimed the Japanese track listing had Ice Climbers music. It didn't, it had the exact same tracks the English listing did. He even openly admitted to dicking around before continuing the act.

Honestly, I was surprised he was even allowed back after bish banned him around half a year ago.
 
Saw this posted a few pages back but just gonna reiterate. If you guys aren't busy be sure to tune into Smash The Record this weekend, huge Melee charity event going on in Florida aiming to break a Guinness world record of the longest Fighting Game marathon ever held. Players like M2K, Mango and Hungrybox are in attendance amongst many others.

You can watch and donate to St Jude by tuning into VGBootCamp: http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Expect a lot of great matches and moments like this.
Thanks for the reminder! Forgot all about this, will check it out some.
 
*NOTE MY IMPRESSIONS OF THIS GAME ARE FOR AN UNFINISHED PRODUCT. ANYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, AND HOPEFULLY TWEAKS WILL BE MADE IN TIME FOR THE GAME’S LAUNCH IN SEPTEMBER. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME MESSED UP STUFF GOING ON IN THAT ROOM AND THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL GAME *

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Before I start with these impressions, I will have you know that I WAS ROBBED at that SDCC 3DS tournament. I know I would have gone on to win the tournament. My Kirby is legit. Greninja is a FRAUD. This truly is the San Diego Screwjob. Nintendo screwed me, damn it. But it’s okay, Nintendo. Just give me a job at Treehouse and all is forgiven. I’ll make sure this never happens again to anyone else. I think that’s a fair trade-off.

I KNOW YOU’RE READING THIS TRINEN. YOU TOO BIHLDORFF

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Anyways, after I was eliminated in the tournament, it was pretty late in the day due to all of the delays, and I had to head over to the Hall H line that was quickly filling for Saturday’s Comic Con panels. Unfortunately, I couldn’t watch the rest of the tournament live. Instead, I ended up waiting 18 hours in line for Hall H and barely got in… but the Marvel panel was amazing and worth the wait. That world premiere of the Avengers 2 trailer was something else.

Since Comic Con, I’ve gone back to watch the stream, specifically the 1 v 1, no items matches. The thing that stuck out the most to me was the use of Bowser at this tournament. DEHF, a top Brawl player, used Bowser. Westballz and Lucky, two of the best Melee players in the world, used Bowser. 2 out of the top 4 players in the tournament used Bowser, both of which met in the finals for a Bowser mirror match.

Is Bowser, a notoriously weak character in the previous Smash games, actually top tier in Smash 4? How was this character so dominant at the tournament?

I believe Bowser is an extremely strong character... for day -50. It is impossible to say that he is a legitimately strong character at this point, because THE GAME ISN’T OUT YET. Players aren’t even accustomed to the controls yet. Wait until launch when players are short hop double lasering with Falco before declaring Bowser is unstoppable. I believe that, with the selection of characters in the E3 demo, he’s one of the stronger characters, but once the actual game comes out, he’ll be good (unless they nerf his speed and killing power) but not top tier. The most common response to “OMG TOP TIER” is “the game isn’t even out yet, Sakurai is still making balancing changes!” While that is true, I don’t even think Bowser really needs to be significantly nerfed. I honestly believe his dominance is a result of unfamiliarity with the game and its controls. If Bowser stays the same, I can’t see him dominating the meta game.

Why is Bowser so good? Well, he’s been buffed across the board from his Brawl incarnation. I don’t even understand some of the changes, personally. I liked his playstyle and moveset in Melee and Brawl, however awful it was. It felt true to the character. His forward smash was ridiculously satisfying. In Smash 4, Bowser is suddenly some agile mother fucker, doing drop kicks and shit. It’s kinda strange. I’m surprised they didn’t go all the way with the moveset changes and just give him Fox’s sex kick as his neutral air. He has the DK back air from Smash 64. He’s SO FAST. His walking speed and running speed are amazing for his size, and his dash attack is quick and sends opponents flying. His up air is probably as fast as Marth’s up air, at least that’s the feel I got from it. His f tilt is the same as Brawl just faster. His fire breath is fast, has insane range and has next to no cool down. His jabs are SO GOOD. The list goes on and on. It’s like this for his entire moveset.

Did I mention that Bowser is a good character in this game?

Watching the Sheik vs. Bowser matches on stream, it’s clear that even vs. the more mobile and projectile heavy Sheik, Bowser can control the game. He is so heavy and powerful that he only really requires three or four solid hits to be within kill percentage. He’s like Melee Ganon on steroids. The Sheik player doesn’t grab or use A moves much, but effectively zones the Bowser out with needles and grenades. Considering the lack of combos in this game, it’s a decent strategy. You don’t want to run in and f tilt because Bowser has much greater range on his tilts and smash moves. He’s quick enough to punish an ftilt, a short hop fair or a dash attack from Sheik. It was kind of unreal watching Bowser dispose of Sheik so easily. He not only matches Sheik’s speed, but also has a ridiculous amount of power behind those moves. DEHF’s dismantling of the Sheik is proof that, on paper, Bowser wins the matchup. Hard. Sheik has lots of quick moves, low aerial lag, and good keep away tools, but it doesn’t mean much when she can’t kill. Bowser is probably the heaviest character in the game, so Sheik was probably killing with up smashes at 150%, if not higher.

The Grand Finals of DEHF’s Bowser vs. Damien’s Bowser was fantastic. One player is arguably the best Brawl player on the planet, and the other is clearly a tournament player who knows what he’s doing. We saw brilliant mindgames, spacing, and punishing on display with, at the moment, the best character in the game. It was great! It reminded me of a fast paced Brawl set. Both players were fairly aggressive, and I personally believe that was because landing moves with Bowser feels so damn satisfying. That drop kick is ridiculous! It's a move like Captain Falcon's knee: you just want to go for it.

NITPICK: I REALLY wish we could see the percentages on the top screen, as watching sets without being able to see percentages really throws me off, so I’m kind of going by memory here. While I've never played a Bowser ditto, most of Bowser's kill moves on other characters (f smash, down b) killed in the 70s. I’m guessing in a Bowser mirror that’s 90s or low 100s, with the rest of his moves (fair, bair, f tilt) killing in the 110-120 range. I know when we are actually playing the game it won’t be a problem, but for stuff like streams or video… not being able to see the percents without projecting the bottom screen on the video in some way is pretty lame. Even the option to place them on the top screen would be appreciated.

Not really much more to say here about the grand finals. It’s a great, fundamental set of Smash 4. If you haven’t watched it, go check it out. This is how competitive play is going to look like day one. That’s the pace right there.

Oh yeah, that down B shield break was HYPE

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One sad thing I noticed while watching these 1 v 1 matches is that the edge game is almost non-existent. The new ledge mechanics, while it will get rid of things like ledge camping and planking, pretty much destroys the edge game and nerfs gimping HARD. This will lead to opponents living longer, and if you combine that with the huge stages, we are going to see some really high percentage kills and some long matches. I mean, how many time outs have we seen since E3? However, I do think there were instances where players were too scared to go off the ledge and try to intercept a recovery with an aerial. Again, unfamiliarity with the new control scheme will lead to less risky play. While I saw some Bowsers go out there and chase with forward airs, most of the time the player on stage would just wait at the ledge while the off stage opponent slowly made his or her way back onto the ledge. Boring. Even the standard edge hog -> intercept your recovering opponent with a back air or down air will be missed. It just added so much depth, precision, and drama to the game and now it’s completely gone. While the game has greater hitstun than Brawl and the gameplay is faster in general, it is definitely hurt by these new edge mechanics combined with the massive stage boundaries and high percent kill moves.

Then again, it’s day -21 so I probably don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.

In conclusion, my excitement for the game is decently high. After the Dojo hype, I will never get too excited for a game ever again, let alone a Smash Bros game. It’s not worth the possible heartbreak. Compare this to the lead up to Brawl’s launch, where, on a scale from 1 to 100, my hype was at 1000 from Snake’s reveal to the game’s launch. There’s been a lot of exciting announcements leading up to Smash 4’s launch. Being able to use the Gamecube controller was a pipe dream of mine. You can probably find my posts in the very first Smash 4 thread, arguing with people who claimed “the audience who cares about the GC controller is way too small, Nintendo would never waste money trying to sell an adapter!” Speaking of pipe dreams, Nintendo held two pre-launch tournaments for the game, one of which I attended! How could I not be excited for this game? I still deprive myself of sleep every night to see a single new screenshot of the game!

After playing the game myself and watching a good deal of footage, I can confirm that the game is, in fact, fun. Most of my play came from free for alls with items on, and I can't say I had any problems with it. I don’t know why, but going into Smash 4, I was expecting it to feel worse than Brawl. Maybe I was just being pessimistic. Luckily, I was wrong. It felt better than Brawl upon first impression, and having played it a lot more since then, I still feel that way. I’m very excited to get my hands on the final game and just RIP IT APART. Metaphorically, of course.

My thoughts on this game have been pretty constant since around 2010. I was able to reflect back on Brawl, my disappointment, and what I could reasonably expect from a new Smash Bros game. If Smash 4 was literally Brawl, just without tripping and with a more balanced character roster, I’d be fine with that. Anything more is a cherry on top. My dream game, Melee 2.0, is never going to happen and I’ve accepted that. I enjoyed Brawl for what it was, played it for thousands of hours, and placed well in tournaments, despite the game being far more slow and boring than Melee. It was the overuse of Meta Knight that caused me to quit the game, not the fact that I hated the game and its mechanics. Meta Knight the character is back, but I’m hoping the broken monster from Brawl is gone forever.

And with that, my series of write ups on Smash Bros for Wii U and Smash Bros for 3DS has come to an end. But don’t be sad, kids. This is a good thing! The game is less than 3 weeks away! And while I intend to play the living hell out of the game for hours upon hours, sleep and food optional, you better believe I’m going to be dropping a couple thousand word rants. Will they be positive rants or negative rants? Probably both. But there will be rants, that I can assure you of.

3 weeks. Get hype.

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My opinion has changed of you, I never thought you had put thousands of hours into brawl and that you had liked the game, guess you wasent 100% serious with your previous posts about brawl in the past that made me think you was singleminded when it came the series.
 
I think the problem with Dark Pit to me is that the character literally comes from a Pit alternate skin in Brawl. I can't imagine him ever being distinct enough from Pit no matter what they do.

I'm really torn. On one hand I think it's fake from what I know in my heart, on the other hand there's a lot of proof for the leak, on the other other hand GAF blowing rumors out of proportion and passing it as true and getting all sensationalist about it is nothing new, on the other other other hand folks passing off stuff like this as fake just because they don't like what it has to say is common too.
 
Some idea for Duck Hunt:

Crosshairs! Worried about depicting the Zapper, which looked too much like a real gun in Japan? Just have crosshairs appear when DH uses certain moves. Think of Palutena's Auto-Reticle move. Crosshairs appear, screen flashes, enemy is hit. Final Smash could be a powered-up version of this that maybe turns enemies into ducks, with the dog laughing when you miss. This allows you to have the shooting aspect of Duck Hunt without actually depicting the gun. It also makes the name "Duck Hunt" make more sense, since then the character is clearly three entities: the dog, the duck, and the unseen shooter.

Chase the duck: Someone mentioned this earlier. I'm not sure what ideas they had in mind, but I picture the duck flying into enemies and the dog trying to pounce on it, dealing a follow-up hit to whoever is caught in the way. Or maybe the dog will be similar to Rosalina & Luma, and the duck can be sent out separate from the dog? They could be working together, the ducks intercepting enemies in the air like Snake's remote-controlled missile, or giving the dog a lift for his recovery and allowing themselves to be swung around as makeshift bats (as per the art mockup).

Just a few quick ideas. I'm sleepy. DH would be awesome!
 
I like Dark Pit - but I like clones in general - and I don't think he's a symptom of over-representation for Kid Icarus. 2.5 characters isn't some huge travesty. The obscene number of Smash Run enemies is a bigger deal, but I can forgive that - they must be REALLY easy to port over from Uprising. The fact it has so many new ITEMS, though? That's a bit much for my tastes.

Duck Hunt is a random choice but a big deal in America for obvious reasons and not out of character when you consider the Ice Climbers. And ROB in particular - he didn't show up at all, anywhere, in Melee, had a wink-and-a-nod in a few games, and was playable in Mario Kart DS. I don't think that Duck Hunt is too far behind him as far as obscurity goes.

Hatsune Miku, for me, is an interesting choice, because she's in a super grey area. She originated in software... does that count as a game? She's a "computer entertainment" character with a strong video game presence, and is stupid popular in Japan (hell, most of the world at this point). I'd be in favor of her just because it would piss so many people off.
 
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