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[BGBW]

I may not have understood it correctly, but isn't it possible that Melee Mario might be able to be playable through moveset customisation?

We already know Mario's options:

 

[VandalD]

But will she actually talk in game?

Spoiler

I want her to provide sarcastic commentary with Hades

I hope so. Some combination of Uprising characters replacing Snake's codecs would be amazing.

 

[Berordn]

I wouldn't be so sure custom moves go that far - all we've seen are variations of the moves that can be replaced, right? Like a more powerful but slower fireball or stuff like that, nothing as dramatic as completely changing the nature of a character's moves.

Mostly correct. Miis and Palutena are special and have completely different moves instead of just custom options.

Some characters seem to have a few extra (Mega Man can swap Rush Coil for Beat Rescue), but for the most part it's just variations.

 

[superNESjoe]

We already know Mario's options:

I think with most characters the custom moves are just speed/power variations of what they already have.

Except Palutena.

 

[Cody_D165]

What if he's Melee Mario without the Fludd attack, etc? I would argue that'd be a decent justification for the character's existence.

if he's Melee Mario I don't want him

if he's Melee Doc then COUNT ME IN

 

[BaloneyFraise]

Punch Out has had one more game than Kid Icarus, not exactly anything major, and it's only because Punch Out started during the arcade era, and the Wii game is a remake.

It's not a remake, though.

 

[ffdgh]

I already accepted the fact that Snake is out ever since Smash Direct is very helpful. Also Gematsu already helped me to embrace Lucas Loss, but I didn't expect Ice Climbers and Wolf being cut.

After I saw Charizard, I just knew that Ivysaur and Squirtle are goners

Yeah. I love what we got now the doc and pitto too but, the supposed loss of lucas, wolf, and IceClimbers stings.

Reminds me again of UMvC3 haha. "No Venom, what? Who'd they add instead? What's a Nova?"

No megaman but we got phoenix but no cyclopse...

 

[Mik317]

A major point of clones is ease of creation. Part of that has to do due with reusing models. Dark Pit is probably the easiest clone to create since having Pit in the game pretty much makes 80 % of the work done.

so while yeah other characters would have been better, it goes against the whole point of clones. New characters for minimal effort.

again Dark Pit or Dr Mario is not the reason the Ice Climbers are cut.

 

[georly]

Punch Out has had one more game than Kid Icarus, not exactly anything major, and it's only because Punch Out started during the arcade era, and the Wii game is a remake.

I don't know that i'd call it a remake at all, especially since it has new fighters, fighters from super punch out, and a title defense mode.

It has the star punch system from the NES game, but other than sharing that one mechanic, it's almost certifiably a sequel. At the very least, it's a 'reboot.'

 

[Fandangox]

When's thread 14 coming?

 

[Jawmuncher]

Dark Pit having a new weapon is my last hope for him being cool. Since I already have his theme in the game.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I would love Chozo as a character.
And if Ganondorf was just turned into Black Shadow, so F-Zero got another rep - then give the dorf a sword/magic based moveset (make him a clone of Robin instead.)

 

[IntelliHeath]

If people missed spectate mode in the 3DS trailer, I wonder how many missed the short Viridi voiceover in Palutena's trailer.

I did. What did Viridi said? (I'm deaf so don't shoot me )

Reminds me again of UMvC3 haha. "No Venom, what? Who'd they add instead? What's a Nova?"

Yeah, people had meltdown with MVC3 and UMVC3 Leaks. Frank West being cut from MVC3 despite that he was shown in first trailer.

 

[georly]

Dark Pit having a new weapon is my last hope for him being cool. Since I already have his theme in the game.

If he were that different, he wouldn't be in the 'clone corner.' I'm not holding my breath. At best, one of his specials might be different.

In my mind, they're all last-minute clones that are different in appearance and variables only, not in animations.

I could be wrong, we'll see.

I would love Chozo as a character.
And if Ganondorf was just turned into Black Shadow, so F-Zero got another rep - then give the dorf a sword/magic based moveset (make him a clone of Robin instead.)

I'd be much happier if he were a falco-level clone of robin.

 

[Qurupeke]

We already know Mario's options:

Is that from a daily pic? Could there be more?

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Exactly. One more = more. There's not a ton of reliable sales information for these franchises online, but to the best of my knowledge the original Punch-Out on NES alone outsold the NES KI and Uprising combined. It was one of the most popular NES games out there.

Again, I wasn't making an argument for another Punch Out rep, I was making an argument that even some of the smaller franchises are arguably more important with a greater legacy than KI, and it still has a ton of representation.

There's no way to not see some sort of bias in that. I don't want to believe that, I'm just pointing that out.

Punch-Out may have sold more and be "more important" than KI, but I think KI has more material that can be translated into Smash. Punch-Out is a boxing game; there isn't much of a plot, all the arenas are boxing rings, and the characters are similar enough that I think it's be hard to distinguish them from Little Mac. KI, on the other hand, is a whole universe, with unique characters (Palutena is more different than Pit than any of the boxers are from Mac,) and a ton of items and locales. KI simply provides a lot more unique content for Smash. More Punch-Out representation than we already have would be redundant.

 

[Fireblend]

So what are the thread title frontrunners for Thread XIV?

 

[Greenzxy]

We already know Mario's options:

Oh man. Would have been awesome for fludd to have his different hovers from suneshine. If Palutena can get new moves(?). Then I'm not sure why they didn't change Mario's Fludd variants.
Sakurai Bias is strong.

 

[Fandangox]

I did. What did Viridi said? (I'm deaf so don't shoot me )



Yeah, people had meltdown with MVC3 and UMVC3 Leaks. Frank West being cut from MVC3 despite that he was shown in first trailer.

She said "It seems angels only talk big"

 

[georly]

So what are the thread title frontrunners for Thread XIV?

Whatever Emcee wants it to be?

 

[Senator Soufflé]

I see, I thought that Palutena's level of customisation may have applied to other characters.

Lab coat vindicated!

 

[StreetsAhead]

If IC, Lucas, and Wolf really are gone,I wonder how they'll be used in the game? ATs? Trophies? It would be weird for them all to not appear in the game in any form.

 

[Jawmuncher]

If he were that different, he wouldn't be in the 'clone corner.' I'm not holding my breath. At best, one of his specials might be different.

In my mind, they're all last-minute clones that are different in appearance and variables only, not in animations.

I could be wrong, we'll see.



I'd be much happier if he were a falco-level clone of robin.

Yeah that's why my expectations for him are low. Id like to be surprised though. At least we have palutena.

If IC, Lucas, and Wolf really are gone,I wonder how they'll be used in the game? ATs? Trophies? It would be weird for them all to not appear in the game in any form.

Trophies to tease us for next time.
Or DLC to right the wrongs.

 

[superNESjoe]

Punch-Out may have sold more and be "more important" than KI, but I think KI has more material that can be translated into Smash. Punch-Out is a boxing game; there isn't much of a plot, all the arenas are boxing rings, and the characters are similar enough that I think it's be hard to distinguish them from Little Mac. KI, on the other hand, is a whole universe, with unique characters (Palutena is more different than Pit than any of the boxers are from Mac,) and a ton of items and locales. KI simply provides a lot more unique content for Smash. More Punch-Out representation than we already have would be redundant.

Exactly. One more = more. There's not a ton of reliable sales information for these franchises online, but to the best of my knowledge the original Punch-Out on NES alone outsold the NES KI and Uprising combined. It was one of the most popular NES games out there.

Again, I wasn't making an argument for another Punch Out rep, I was making an argument that even some of the smaller franchises are arguably more important with a greater legacy than KI, and it still has a ton of representation.

There's no way to not see some sort of bias in that. I don't want to believe that, I'm just pointing that out.

Bolded the most important part of my statement. Additional Punch-Out characters are no part of what I was saying needed to happen. Simply pointing out how insignificant Kid Icarus is due to the fact that it's arguably less important than Punch-Out, an already minor/niche Nintendo franchise.

EDIT: I suppose just for argument's sake I'll add that what you said isn't really true. Many of the boxers in Punch-Out are very diverse, with potential for some unique movesets. However, as stated, I'd agree there are better places to look for content suitable for Smash. A clone of Pit from a franchise of even less importance is not one of the places I'd look.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Yeah. I love what we got now the doc and pitto too but, the supposed loss of lucas, wolf, and IceClimbers stings.



No megaman but we got phoenix but no cyclopse...

Yeah, I had to deal with those entitled gamers. Well, I admitted that I really hating the idea of Akuma being in but I pretty much accepted that since he played so differently and I ended up main him in the game.

I remembered many complaints.

NO VEMON, NO GAMBIT NO CYCLOP, NO MEGAMAN, NO KEN, NO STRIDER

NEW JILL?! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?! WHERE IS MY OLD JILL! WHY SHUMA IN?!

When's thread 14 coming?

900 posts or so?

 

[ffdgh]

NO VEMON, NO GAMBIT NO CYCLOP, NO MEGAMAN, NO KEN, NO STRIDER

NEW JILL?! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?! WHERE IS MY OLD JILL! WHY SHUMA IN?!

Honestly I preferred old jill as bad as she was. Summoning zombies was fun

 

[Berordn]

and the characters are similar enough that I think it's be hard to distinguish them from Little Mac.

You're pretty much right on everything except this. Punch-Out has a stable of unique and varied characters and no two of them look or act alike. They all have their unique gimmicks and fighting styles.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Yeah, I had to deal with those entitled gamers. Well, I admitted that I really hating the idea of Akuma being in but I pretty much accepted that since he played so differently and I ended up main him in the game.

I remembered many complaints.

NO VEMON, NO GAMBIT NO CYCLOP, NO MEGAMAN, NO KEN, NO STRIDER

NEW JILL?! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?! WHERE IS MY OLD JILL! WHY SHUMA IN?!



900 posts or so?

New Jill is so garbage. Thank goodness Nemesis completed the RE trio of worthwhile characters. Regina would be a perfect fit for mvc2 Jill. Just use dinosaurs.


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Smash Talk
I'm really curious now how that new mother stage is. I hope its as good as new pork city. Which is my favorite large scale level. Have never been a fan of hyrule temple.

 

[Golnei]

If IC, Lucas, and Wolf really are gone,I wonder how they'll be used in the game? ATs? Trophies? It would be weird for them all to not appear in the game in any form.

They'll probably just get a trophy. Anything more would feel kind of odd, like making Mewtwo a Pokeball Pokemon.

 

[IntelliHeath]

If IC, Lucas, and Wolf really are gone,I wonder how they'll be used in the game? ATs? Trophies? It would be weird for them all to not appear in the game in any form.

I don't know. It was pretty tough to figure out if they are going to be dlc characters, hidden characters or something. I'm pretty sure that people are going to looking for hints that they might be DLC characters or not.

1) Looking for trophies to see if they can obtain Ice Climbers, Wolf and Lucas or not
2) Hacker would data-mining the data in the files.
3) Find any references in interview, articles, etc.

 

[georly]

Still going to wake up every morning this week, hoping sakurai announces ice climbers.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Bolded the part you might have not focused on.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was reacting to this line:

There's no way to not see some sort of bias in that. I don't want to believe that, I'm just pointing that out.

My point was that if KI has more material suitable for Smash than a more important franchise, then it might not be any bias on Sakurai's part that gives KI so much more representation. It might just be a matter of opportunity.

You're pretty much right on everything except this. Punch-Out has a stable of unique and varied characters and no two of them look or act alike. They all have their unique gimmicks and fighting styles.

That's true, I was wrong on that. If Sakurai can make a number of unique swordsmen, he can make a number of unique boxers.

 

[Greenzxy]

They'll probably just get a trophy. Anything more would feel kind of odd, like making Mewtwo a Pokeball Pokemon.

Not if he was in a masterball.

 

[IntelliHeath]

She said "It seems angels only talk big"

Thanks!

Honestly I preferred old jill as bad as she was. Summoning zombies was fun

Yeah, I was rooting for Regina taking over old Jill's moveset for UMVC3. Too bad, Dino Crisis and Breath of Fire are dead franchise for them to batting their eyes at Regina or Nina/Ryu.

New Jill is so garbage. Thank goodness Nemesis completed the RE trio of worthwhile characters. Regina would be a perfect fit for mvc2 Jill. Just use dinosaurs.


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Smash Talk
I'm really curious now how that new mother stage is. I hope its as good as new pork city. Which is my favorite large scale level. Have never been a fan of hyrule temple.

Well, we got Palutena's Temple which we would guess that might be bigger than New Pork City.

 

[theprodigy]

So much for "we're going to get to the next thread before the PotD even goes up" huh.

 

[superNESjoe]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was reacting to this line:



My point was that if KI has more material suitable for Smash than a more important franchise, then it might not be any bias on Sakurai's part that gives KI so much more representation. It might just be a matter of opportunity.

It's fine, I updated my post to be a little more clear and (hopefully) less abrasive.

I agree that suitable representation should come first, and that's why I said I didn't want to believe there was any sort of bias. It's just hard not to see it that way when you look beyond the roster at all of the background content in the game. Punch-Out example aside, there's no excuse for the lack of Donkey Kong content (not specifically speaking about playable fighters) compared to KI.

 

[Qurupeke]

Still going to wake up every morning this week, hoping sakurai announces ice climbers.

Don't worry, they're DLC. They're just waiting for the Ice Climbers Wii U game.

 

[Fireblend]

I hope Lucas makes it at least as a Ness alt costume. It makes sense, since all of Ness' moves also fit Lucas: Both can use Psychokinesis, both can equip yo-yos and bats, etc. It'd be a shame to lose the rope-snake and some other great Lucas moves (specially his up tilt), but it'd be better than losing him entirely, IMO. I'd rather pay for him with his right moveset as DLC though.

 

[SuperSah]

What are we discussing right now?

 

[Jawmuncher]

Is fludd even useful?
Everyone I know that played Mario liked Dr just because he didn't have it.

 

[IntelliHeath]

What are we discussing right now?

I'm still waiting for you to honor Jedi Link's avatar bet, that's our discussion.

 

[SliceSabre]

I would like one of Bowser Jr's specials to involve him spitting a small fireball. I just don't want to see them all involve the Clown Car.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't know. It was pretty tough to figure out if they are going to be dlc characters, hidden characters or something. I'm pretty sure that people are going to looking for hints that they might be DLC characters or not.

1) Looking for trophies to see if they can obtain Ice Climbers, Wolf and Lucas or not
2) Hacker would data-mining the data in the files.
3) Find any references in interview, articles, etc.

If the game was data mined and they found Ice Climbers, we probably would have heard from the ESRB leak, as unused content is required to be mentioned.

And I'm still not convinced Ice Climbers aren't in. The Polar Bear is pretty convincing evidence.

 

[Feltrol]

Is fludd even useful?
Everyone I know that played Mario liked Dr just because he didn't have it.

I don't find it useful at all. Mario's spin move is way better.

 

[ffdgh]

Is fludd even useful?
Everyone I know that played Mario liked Dr just because he didn't have it.

I would say no but maybe someone who actually mains mario could make it useful.

 

[MetatronM]

Shulk will upgraded to Ok if he brings great Xenoblade stages and music (he should).

His victory music is an excerpt from You Will Know Our Names if the leak video is to be believed, so no worries there.

 

[SuperSah]

I'm still waiting for you to honor Jedi Link's avatar bet, that's our discussion.

The guy is banned and gave me no avatar.

Chill out lmao

 

[VandalD]

I did. What did Viridi said? (I'm deaf so don't shoot me )

She said "It seems angels only talk big"

That about covers it, yeah.

If IC, Lucas, and Wolf really are gone,I wonder how they'll be used in the game? ATs? Trophies? It would be weird for them all to not appear in the game in any form.

I think I'd prefer them to just be trophies if they're going to show up but not be playable. Like what was said about Mewtwo - it'd be weird if he came out of a pokeball. Gonna miss Wolf a bit. He was my favorite spacie to actually play.

Is fludd even useful?
Everyone I know that played Mario liked Dr just because he didn't have it.

It'd have probably been useful in Melee, where recovery is a lot trickier and there's no gliding. Maybe it'll be useful in Smash4.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

It's fine, I updated my post to be a little more clear and (hopefully) less abrasive.

I agree that suitable representation should come first, and that's why I said I didn't want to believe there was any sort of bias. It's just hard not to see it that way when you look beyond the roster at all of the background content in the game. Punch-Out example aside, there's no excuse for the lack of Donkey Kong content (not specifically speaking about playable fighters) compared to KI.

Yeah, I guess it's just that KI, being on the 3DS, has a ton of easily-transferrable material. But I definitely agree on DK, and I'd throw in Metroid, too. Both series have gotten totally shafted in Smash, moreso in regard to stages than playable characters.

(Oh, and I didn't think your original post was at all abrasive, I just disagreed that bias was the best explanation.)

 

[IntelliHeath]

If the game was data mined and they found Ice Climbers, we probably would have heard from the ESRB leak, as unused content is required to be mentioned.

And I'm still not convinced Ice Climbers aren't in. The Polar Bear is pretty convincing evidence.

But it's not really ESRB leak if the rumor is right. Correct me if I'm wrong with the information. He is one that made the video so he might not have full information but I'm more likely to be wrong about 3DS version.

They could be DLC characters or connectivity-unlocking between Wii U and 3DS. Who know.