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[A Link to the Past]

That Animal Crossing figure is definitely not accurate. The 3DS game sold 7.5 million by itself, Wild World sold around 12 million, the GameCube game sold about 2 million, and the Wii game sold about 3.5 million copies. So the actual figure should 25 million.

 

[BGBW]

Well we're not talking about technicalities. We all can agree that there is nothing of value in locking away, say, a Mario tune from use in stages. To make it unavailable is to arbitrarily lock content away that would only make the game better.

They're not locking it away necessarily, they just added extra tunes as a bonus. If they are not tied to a 3DS stage it likely means they are tied to a Wii U stage and just thought it fun to put it in the 3DS version as well.

 

[Toxi]

Maybe the Earthbound marketers are still finding work.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

1.Mario- 445 Million
2.Pokemon- 260 Million
3.Wii- 193 Million
4.The Legend of Zelda- 68 Million
5.Donkey Kong- 54 Million
6.Kirby - 33 Million
7.Metroid- 18 Million
8.Star Fox- 12 Million
9.Animal Crossing- 7 Million

So they got Mario representation right. Pokemon's decent as well, but should bring Mewtwo back. Wii gets Miis and Wii Fit Trainer, two newcomers. Not bad. Zelda, on the other hand, gets no newcomers? We are stuck with the same 5 characters in Brawl, the odd clone of which didn't even get his own moveset? DK stuck with only 2 characters?

I love Metroid and Star Fox, but looking at those numbers I can easily justify not including Dark Samus and Krystal. DK is the most ripped-off franchise, followed by Zelda.

 

[A Link to the Past]

They're not locking it away necessarily, they just added extra tunes as a bonus. If they are not tied to a 3DS stage it likely means they are tied to a Wii U stage and just thought it fun to put it in the 3DS version as well.

My point is that it's limiting content - it'd be like saying "you can't use Mario characters in Zelda stages." No point to it whatsoever, and it only makes the experience inferior with nothing to gain at all. The content is there, why limit it to only one mode?

 

[Fandangox]

Maybe the Earthbound marketers are still finding work.

Perfect.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Maybe the Earthbound marketers are still finding work.

hahaha oh wow

 

[Toxi]

So they got Mario representation right. Pokemon's decent as well, but should bring Mewtwo back. Wii gets Miis and Wii Fit Trainer, two newcomers. Not bad. Zelda, on the other hand, gets no newcomers? We are stuck with the same 5 characters in Brawl, the odd clone of which didn't even get his own moveset? DK stuck with only 2 characters?

I love Metroid and Star Fox, but looking at those numbers I can easily justify not including Dark Samus and Krystal. DK is the most ripped-off franchise, followed by Zelda.

Pokemon's made more than four times as much as Zelda.

I'd say five characters is just fine.

 

[Regulus Tera]

That Animal Crossing figure is definitely not accurate. The 3DS game sold 7.5 million by itself, Wild World sold around 12 million, the GameCube game sold about 2 million, and the Wii game sold about 3.5 million copies. So the actual figure should 25 million.

What about the N64 game?

 

[MisterWisp]

Maybe the Earthbound marketers are still finding work.

At least this store display is being honest...

 

[Masked Man]

The Green Greens arrangement sounds incredible. Masashi Hamauzu is a musical genius!

 

[OricWindstar]

New music! So amazing! Can't believe we got some Mario and Luigi in Smash!

EDIT: Other than Gritzy Dessert...

 

[A Link to the Past]

What about the N64 game?

Not sure, I've never seen figures for it. I'm guessing it wouldn't contribute much of a difference

 

[Regulus Tera]

Pokemon's made more than four times as much as Zelda.

I'd say five characters is just fine.

The problem with Zelda is that it's been stuck with five characters ever since Melee.

 

[BGBW]

My point is that it's limiting content - it'd be like saying "you can't use Mario characters in Zelda stages." No point to it whatsoever, and it only makes the experience inferior with nothing to gain at all. The content is there, why limit it to only one mode?

They made the game with two song per track in mind like Melee. Some point during development, maybe even very late into the game they decided to add additional tracks as extra content. To add these to stages would require rebuilding the whole stage music mechanic which is a lot of work for what is just a little extra to likely just make use of empty space on the cart. It's not locking things away, it's giving us more.

 

[Thoraxes]

Shulk looks so wrong in that video. It's like he's not even moving his legs.

It's how he jumps in the game [Xenoblade] though lol

 

[A Link to the Past]

They made the game with two song per track in mind like Melee. Some point during development, maybe even very late into the game they decided to add additional tracks as extra content. To add these to stages would require rebuilding the whole stage music mechanic which is a lot of work for what is just a little extra to likely just make use of empty space on the cart. It's not locking things away, it's giving us more.

If you don't play that mode though, you don't really gain anything. Honestly, the Melee thing seems pretty stretchy - it's certainly what Sakurai said, but it's most likely that the 3DS simply couldn't handle a lot of songs due to storage. I doubt that it would require much change at all to enable a third song to be put on a certain stage.

 

[Senator Soufflé]

Where would Fire Emblem come in the list of series? It's seriously over-repped then.

 

[MrSaturn99]

I <33333333 GREEN GREENS

 

[GenG3000]

The arrangement for Dream Team Battle Theme is

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awful, lacking the strength and beauty of the original. I'd rather have the original Dream Mode Battle Theme in there instead of what we got.

 

[Regulus Tera]

If we are using sales as a metric for how many characters a franchise should have in smash then Earthbound should only feature Ness' hat.

 

[Thoraxes]

That Hamauzu Kirby! I wonder how similar it is to the quartet he did from the German concert series!

 

[Professor Beef]

If we are using sales as a metric for how many characters a franchise should have in smash then Earthbound should only feature Ness' hat.

bububu classic game and feels

 

[Zimmy64]

I should mention the numbers were found here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

I do not know how accurate they are, and as someone pointed out the Animal Crossing numbers are way off/outdated (Really around 25 Million, placing at 7th, bumping Metroid and Star Fox down). Still most of them seemed fairly accurate so I went with them.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Where would Fire Emblem come in the list of series? It's seriously over-repped then.

That's really unfair. Fire Emblem has been Japan-exclusive for much of its life, of course it's going to be limited. As Awakening has proven though, it is definitely one of Nintendo's biggest franchises at the moment, and will likely continue being this powerful.

Plus, Intelligent Systems deserves the representation.

 

[MrSaturn99]

That Hamauzu Kirby! I wonder how similar it is to the quartet from the german concert series!

please tell me there is footage/audio of this somewhere

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Pokemon's made more than four times as much as Zelda.

I'd say five characters is just fine.

The point I'm making has more to do with number of newcomers, not total characters. Zelda is the only series with 5 characters to receive zero newcomers.

And as has already been pointed out, this has happened for two games in a row now.

 

[Moonlight]

FE deserves like five more reps to be real

 

[Thoraxes]

please tell me there is footage/audio of this somewhere

Nope. This one, unlike the concert with his Aquatic Ambience arrangement, was not recorded. There's no existence of it which is depressing! I heard really good things about it from the people that did go.

Edit: It was a small wind quintet! French Horn, oboe, bassoon, flute, and clarinet.

Kirby
(Grünende Flur)
Arranger: Masashi Hamauzu

To make use of an enormous fully realized orchestra is fantastic, but it can be equally fantastic to reduce the orchestra down to a minor ensemble. That&#8217;s why this arrangement has been written for a wind quintet &#8211; where every instrument fits the round, cute, hard working character of Kirby perfectly.

One of my best experiences from working on this arrangement has been when I was visited by my 10 year old daughter at work. She is usually very critical when it comes to music, and often tells me that I should do this or that, but when she heard this arrangement, she jumped up and proclaimed: &#8220;oh, this is Kirby!!&#8221;

 

[Toxi]

FE deserves like five more reps to be real

They should just take out all the Fire Emblem characters and make an entire fighting game with them. Maybe it could be an Atlus crossover to cash-in on the whole anime dating sim thing. Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, I like the sound of that.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Nope. This one, unlike the concert with his Aquatic Ambience arrangement, was not recorded. There's no existence of it which is depressing!

Wait, I remember now. That was at the second Legends concert, right? I remember getting getting mad because people kept recording the Mario one, LOL

 

[Thoraxes]

Wait, I remember now. That was at the second Legends concert, right? I remember getting getting mad because people kept recording the Mario one, LOL

Yup! I was hoping it was going to be broadcast like the first Legends concert but it wasn't!

Apparently he also did a Pikmin arrangement too!

 

[Sigismundo]

bububu classic game and feels

"Feels" couldn't save Lucas.

 

[Kurtofan]

Sakurai is pissed at the leaks, gives us mediocre PoTD.

We wouldn't have known about the challenge mode if it weren't for the leaks.

 

[jj984jj]

That's definitely Hamauzu, so happy he can join the league of SSB music composers now that he's freelance.

Still have to say Sakurai dropped the ball if he doesn't get Go Shiina though, since he's not freelance it might be the only time he can get him with all the Namco composers involved.

 

[Senator Soufflé]

That's really unfair. Fire Emblem has been Japan-exclusive for much of its life, of course it's going to be limited. As Awakening has proven though, it is definitely one of Nintendo's biggest franchises at the moment, and will likely continue being this powerful.

Plus, Intelligent Systems deserves the representation.

That's true, was a bit unfair to say. I'm actually looking quite forward to playing as Lucina after playing Awakening.

They deserve more I agree, but those reps could be from Pullblox,Paper Mario and especially Advance Wars

 

[SuperSah]

Okay, the Mario and Luigi track is awful. It sounded way better in the original game.

Green Greens is very, very, meh.

 

[Regulus Tera]

FE deserves like five more reps to be real

FE needs its own fighting game developed by ArcSys using the P4U engine. Full-on anime fighter.

 

[Thoraxes]

Okay, the Mario and Luigi track is awful. It sounded way better in the original game.

Green Greens is very, very, meh.

You monster.

 

[Toxi]

FE needs its own fighting game developed by ArcSys using the P4U engine. Full-on anime fighter.

Release date: TBA

 

[Regulus Tera]

Release date: TBA

Would still be released sooner on Wii U than Pokkén.

 

[Zimmy64]

I don't like solely relying on sales to determine series importance. Its like trying to predict an election with nothing but polls. That being said its the closest thing to an objective measure there is. There are some times when sales conflict with conventional wisdom. It was pretty well understood that from 2002-2010 Metroid was bigger than Donkey Kong although the original Metroid Prime was the only game that really sold a lot better (3 Million). Prime 2 and 3 sales were actually very comparable to Jungle Beat and Konga Sales ( all around 1.5 Million). There are other times when sales and importance align. Mario is far and away Nintendo's top franchise and the sales reflect that.

 

[Crocodile]

The problem with Zelda is that it's been stuck with five characters ever since Melee.

The series gained FOUR reps from 64 to Melee. That's always going to skew things a bit.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Out of all the great tracks in Dream Team (or Bowser's Inside Story) they choose the standard battle theme? D:
I hope either In the Final or Adventure's End are in.

 

[Painguy]

Not really digging the dream team song. It's not hype enough imo.

 

[SuperSah]

Out of all the great tracks in Dream Team (or Bowser's Inside Story) they choose the standard battle theme? D:
I hope either In the Final or Adventure's End are in.

Should have used DT's boss battle.

I want to repurchase DT now.

Also, why are 3DS challenges easy when they weren't in KIU?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Also, why are 3DS challenges easy when they weren't in KIU?

What do you mean?

 

[SkullHydra]

Should have used DT's boss battle.

I want to repurchase DT now.

Also, why are 3DS challenges easy when they weren't in KIU?

3DS version casul confirmed.

 

[Pikma]

Dude that fucking amazing DLC for MK + the update are trying to steal our thunder.

Btw: wtf's wrong with that PotD? Sakurai must hate us so bad right now :/

I'm sorry Mr. Sakurai, God knows I didn't want to know all there is yet, it just... kinda happened

 

[Pikma]

3DS version casul confirmed.

Oh skull I haven't forgotten about you, I'll send you your punishment tomorrow morning, as soon as I wake up! Prrrrrromise