Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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But yeah, he has his shoulder tackle. It's his forward Smash.
But it doesn't travel far enough and he can't jump, so it doesn't count. Attacks are only homages if they're 1:1 transplants from the source material. It's common knowledge that Sakurai hates a character if he takes creative liberties with their moveset.
 
Much as I love the WarioWare cast, they'll probably never be playable.

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Sorry, Mona.

You could actually make a decent Wario clone out of Mona. She'd only need a unique down B and neutral B
unless you're into that sort of thing.
 
From what I gathered in this thread apparently cutscene or personality-based stuff are "no-no" as basis on movesets even though we've seen characters pull up moves out of their asses.
 
Trophies don't really prove anything when most of the Brawl trophies are model rips.

Metroid Prime Hunters has six trophies, I doubt anyone's gonna suggest Sakurai's a Prime Hunters fan.
 
Okayyy...

So anyway, assuming we know the starting roster now, what do you think the unlock conditions will be for the remaining characters?

So your response is to completely ignore the fact that you were mocking me and calling me ridiculous in a post where you actually demonstrated that you didn't read the discussion that was occurring.

Seriously, fuck off with that shit. Don't be a condescending ass only to act like people being frustrated by your attitude is a ridiculous response.
 
Ike? Huh. That counts as my surprise Top 10 pick. Not that I ever thought that Ike was unpopular, but he beat out a lot of big names. Congrats to his friends, of which there are many.
 
From what I gathered in this thread apparently cutscene or personality-based stuff are "no-no" as basis on movesets even though we've seen characters pull up moves out of their asses.

Peach's Peach Bomber springs to mind.

Trophies don't really prove anything when most of the Brawl trophies are model rips.

Metroid Prime Hunters has six trophies, I doubt anyone's gonna suggest Sakurai's a Prime Hunters fan.

Pretty much, which is why I pointed out Yoshi's Island.
 
So your response is to completely ignore the fact that you were mocking me and calling me ridiculous in a post where you actually demonstrated that you didn't read the discussion that was occurring.

Seriously, fuck off with that shit. Don't be a condescending ass only to act like people being frustrated by your attitude is a ridiculous response.
You're arguing with Beelzebufo. Even if you were 100% right, you'll still get nowhere.
 
Yet DK gets everything under the sun, and because Dixie or K. Rool isn't playable, "BIAS"

You probably shouldn't be acting like these opinions are anything but a vocal minority either.

Some people are upset that there isn't much new in the pipeline for DK this time around. Some of those people are very loud about it. An even smaller subset of those are claiming bias and that we're far too stuck up our own asses to realize how much King K. Rool would add to the game.

They are not the majority of posters in this thread.
 
But it doesn't travel far enough and he can't jump, so it doesn't count. Attacks are only homages if they're 1:1 transplants from the source material. It's common knowledge that Sakurai hates a character if he takes creative liberties with their moveset.

Hi! I see that you're being condescending . Could you please make sure that you don't mischaracterize my posts?

Here is the similarities between his "Shoulder Charge" in Brawl and his Shoulder Charge in every other game.

He attacks with his shoulder.

Oh hey, funny how it lacks virtually every unique quality that accompanies the attack.

EDIT: Those exclamation points in the title were accidental.
 
warioware is the only part of the wario series i know and i really really like it so that's my opinion on wario in smash

oh i played wario land 4 and it was cool
 
The idea that the Shoulder Charge is a valid reference is silly. How hard would it have been to base it around how it actually works? One person said "Mario's Fire Flower doesn't go away if he gets hit", but how awkward and difficult would that be to include? A lot more awkward and difficult than it would be if Wario's shoulder attack was fully based on how it works in his games.
 
It's a damn shame too. Wario is perfect for a 2nd rep! But I may be biased.

At least we can count on Chorus Kids as the spiritual 2nd Warioware characters!.
I believe dammit

I really think they, along with Captain Syrup, are just AT material unless WarioWare/Land gets a big resurgence one day.

I hope we get a RH rep too.
 
You're arguing with Beelzebufo. Even if you were 100% right, you'll still get nowhere.
He's not really arguing with anyone, he's just calling random posters names at this point.

But yeah, great to see Ike that high! He was my favorite Fire Emblem character in Brawl, and his redesign is probably going to make him my first played character this time around too. He was my favorite character in the Radiant games, I'm glad he stuck around!
 
EDIT: It's funny that you mention Master of Disguise because that's the one game where Wario is the grossest. lol

Fair points on the moveset stuff. Just to focus on Master of Disguise, though: you're right, it is one of Wario's grossest moments, but it also fully incorporates that grossness into Wario's greedy, crass, incompetent villain persona. I don't have a problem with the grossness per se, and I think it's an important and valuable part of his character, but I don't want to see it take center stage, which seems to be happening a lot in recent years.

Wario is fat. He's also gross.

this is cyberbullying, mods close the thread pls
 
So Beelz is officially just refusing to acknowledge that he made ad hominems that base themselves around misreading a post.

Yeah, Beelz, you might just be a dick. Please make sure to not call people "names" and then act surprised when people call you names in return.

I really think they, along with Captain Syrup, are just AT material unless WarioWare/Land gets a big resurgence one day.

I hope we get a RH rep too.

:/ WarioWare had a game last year
 
So, how bad is the Metroid soundtrack gonna to be this time guys? And how awesome is the F-Zero soundtrack gonna be?
 
So I think that Smash only really has three characters that need new movesets

Ganondorf
Wario
Toon Link

Agreed?
I think or would like to think that next smash will not focus on much as adding new characters and instead will focus more so on customizable movesets. Palutena and Mii Fighters were a great start I suppose. However id like to see clones such as Ganondorf, Toon Link and others tackled by allowing customizable moves that can be used online and in tournaments as well. It would allow for people who main a certain character the ability to still play as them but also allow for people to be satisfied with a different more fitting moveset. It also could provide some major fanservice for some characters. Pokemon, Mario, Zelda and Metroid in particular have a wealth of items, moves and weapons that leave for near unlimited amounts of customizable moves from their series.
 
I really think they, along with Captain Syrup, are just AT material unless WarioWare/Land gets a big resurgence one day.

I hope we get a RH rep too.

I've always really liked the idea of Captain Syrup as a physically weak fighter that manipulates subordinates and/or uses machines to fight for her.

I was kind of hoping we'd see some resurgence of her with Shake It since she's pretty perfect there, even as a minor character. Pity that didn't take off.
 
I think or would like to think that next smash will not focus on much as adding new characters and instead will focus more so on customizable movesets. Palutena and Mii Fighters were a great start I suppose. However id like to see clones such as Ganondorf, Toon Link and others tackled by allowing customizable moves that can be used online and in tournaments as well. It would allow for people who main a certain character the ability to still play as them but also allow for people to be satisfied with a different more fitting moveset. It also could provide some major fanservice for some characters. Pokemon, Mario, Zelda and Metroid in particular have a wealth of items, moves and weapons that leave for near unlimited amounts of customizable moves from their series.
I'm more interested in seeing some decent stage customization. Customizable stages are one of the things Brawl majorly fucked up, and there is a ton of potential there.

the Metroid songs will be amazing just you wait toxi........
"SAMUS IS IN DANGER! SHE'S DEFENSELESS AND SCREAMING FOR HELP! SAVE HER!"
 
So Beelz is officially just refusing to acknowledge that he made ad hominems that base themselves around misreading a post.

Yeah, Beelz, you might just be a dick. Please make sure to not call people "names" and then act surprised when people call you names in return.

That's his general MO until he gets banned for it, then comes back and acts like that never happened. Better to just ignore it.
 
I prefer Project M Wario because shoulder charge is a more useful side B and a better homage than bike even if the bike looks cool and you can taunt while riding it. Bike as an attack isn't that fun to me.

And the coin effect when you attack while grabbing as well as his new back throw is a great homage to Wario World too.
 
i'm going to be really sad if donkey kong's final smash and barbara AT are the only rhythm game representation in smash 4

almost as sad as dr mario, the inferior puzzle game, getting a whole character while lip is stuck with an item
dr mario the character is cool but the game sucks
 
So Beelz is officially just refusing to acknowledge that he made ad hominems that base themselves around misreading a post.

Yeah, Beelz, you might just be a dick. Please make sure to not call people "names" and then act surprised when people call you names in return.



:/ WarioWare had a game last year
My advice here would be not to fight fire with fire. You're bringing yourself to his level and just filling the thread with venom. Discuss your point, but if you feel others are not responding properly, I don't suggest typing angrily as the proper response. I'm guilty of this in the past and it doesn't lead anywhere good.
 
the Metroid songs will be amazing just you wait toxi........



And it bombed hard. I think Ashley's aesthetic is based on it, though?

Regardless, I think it's pretty evident the series declined in quality/relevance after Twisted.

I thought game and wario was okay, it was just barebones. Got a lot of mileage out of miiverse sketch and the multiplayer though.
 
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