#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014

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stonesak said:
The gamer is finally over. Maybe next decade!

It's over, period. Gamers lost their last ace, and that's the end of their plush mushroom hat hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanperson drivel. It is LITERALLY it for gamers. Gamers have nothing left, nothing they can say tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any developer, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in attracting gamers. Except if they want to develop misogynistic games. Who will also come to support women as equals at some point.

Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to play a game with women as tropes (except MISOGONY LOL GAMERS), and the cavalcade of MRAs that will whine, but won't stir up any sympathy is not going to salvage the bloated, overdesigned behemoth that is gaming culture.

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around like cockroaches. Some did it for GTA V. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of gamers is done.
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I'm not sure if you're serious, but your post literally had me in stitches. Thank you. If you are serious however, I'm pretty sure money is a good incentive to keep marketing games to gamers. GTAV (arguably very misogynistic) broke all types of entertainment records last year upon it's release. The videogame industry is a very profitable industry after all & the world will keep on spinning after gamergate.

Edit: I just got the joke lol. Bravo.
 
Corpekata said:
Sorry for the poor formatting, not sure of a good way to show twitter stuff really. Basically Quinn has been hiding in 4chan chats and screencapping them, supposedly. Pretty damning stuff if true.
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Great. The fabricated nature of all this was already pretty apparent. Real proof is good to have, even more so that police and FBI are involved from the beginning.
 
Arkage said:
And I suppose you've been spending your time and energy on threatened, abused and harassed women instead of sitting on neogaf arguing with gamers about whether particular articles push stereotypes? Right? In any case, this is what's called a false dichotomy, but thank you for making me aware of what kind of logic you think constitutes legitimate debate.
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That isn't what 'false dichotomy' means. But putting that aside, the reason I am angry right now is because women who were having a positive effect on the games industry are being forced out due to harassment. Even if you're not part of that harassment, by focusing on the hurt feelings of gamers, by equating the two sides, by continuing to use the hashtag #GamerGate, you are providing cover and legitimacy for the abuse.

I'm using 'you' rhetorically there.

Arkage said:
What an absurd thing to say.
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It's how I feel.

scoobidoo112 said:
Thank you for demonstrating the "convert or die" mentality that is so incredibly destructive in this whole debate. I would like everyone here to read your comment carefully and realize how unproductive and inflammatory it really is. All anyone accomplishes with this is inciting more hated and polarization.
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I think some vitriol is necessary actually. I think that people have been pussy-footing round this issue for too long. If by 'converting' you mean stop getting annoyed at review scores, stop belittling genuine concerns about representations of minorities and women, and everything else that makes gaming toxic and ridiculous? Then yeah, convert or fuck off.

shampoowarrior said:
This is fully indicative of one of the problems at play here.

You can't get rid of any of these people. You may think that high horse is going to ride you off to the promised land, but in reality you're stuck with these people and making things worse for everyone instead of better with comments like this.
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I'm aware that in reality I am stuck with these people if I want to continue posting in neogaf. I'm aware that I'm not going to ride off on a horse. But I'm also not going to pretend that there aren't a lot of childish gamers without whom the whole industry would be better off.

On GFW Live, I remember Shawn Elliot saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "at least Mr Rogers knew his audience were in diapers. I forget and then have to be reminded." I honestly feel a lot of sympathy for people in the games media.
 
Corpekata said:
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175131017871361
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175194662256640
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175551643652096
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175618584768512
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175977520693249
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176313564160000
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176985932046336
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508177054223699968
https://twitter.com/MsMinotaur/status/508177920687210496
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180612348256256
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180795136032768
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508181098145136640

Sorry for the poor formatting, not sure of a good way to show twitter stuff really.
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That's not 4chan. That's one of the YouTube guys'. I recognize some of the names there, seen them mentioned in a YT video.
 
Corpekata said:
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508174331243810817

https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175131017871361
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175194662256640
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175551643652096
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175618584768512
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175977520693249
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176313564160000
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176985932046336
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508177054223699968
https://twitter.com/MsMinotaur/status/508177920687210496
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180612348256256
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180795136032768
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508181098145136640

Sorry for the poor formatting, not sure of a good way to show twitter stuff really. Basically Quinn has been hiding in 4chan chats and screencapping them, supposedly. Pretty damning stuff if true.
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"it's the main concept of Jujutsu"

lmao
 
I just saw about the tweets. They are pretty freaking hilarious.

I don't think it's really a smoking gun or anything, though. Looking at them, they strike me as mostly people just talking shit. They're talking like they are the "Masterminds" of this but it seems like that's more their ego talking then any real masterminding.

Just how I read the tweets.
 
Nephrahim said:
I just saw about the tweets. They are pretty freaking hilarious.

I don't think it's really a smoking gun or anything, though. Looking at them, they strike me as mostly people just talking shit. They're talking like they are the "Masterminds" of this but it seems like that's more their ego talking then any real masterminding.

Just how I read the tweets.
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Well, I mean her ex boyfriend and supposedly one of the youtubers are in there, as well as the Indiegogo lawyer. Not exactly just random people.
 
Goon Boon said:
This is offsite/only in an irc because it's a small set of morons that probably got mad that the mods were deleting their raid plans or whatever.
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Objectively Bad Opinion said:
That's not 4chan. That's one of the YouTube guys'. I recognize some of the names there, seen them mentioned in a YT video.
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Even saying these, the implication that Eron, arguably the root of the entire last month of controversy, was party to this, even after claiming that "I didn't go to 4chan, 4chan came to me" is pretty damning. And now I feel a fool for ever believing the man had a sliver of integrity.

I need to think about this.
 
Nephrahim said:
I just saw about the tweets. They are pretty freaking hilarious.

I don't think it's really a smoking gun or anything, though. Looking at them, they strike me as mostly people just talking shit. They're talking like they are the "Masterminds" of this but it seems like that's more their ego talking then any real masterminding.

Just how I read the tweets.
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Yep, this is the junior trolls league. The folks who can do scary stuff are smarter than this.
 
ab.aeterno said:
Sure. But the problem is the silent majority. The people who say they don't give a shit or who cares when these issues come up, or ignore them, or stay quiet as people sling slurs on voice chat. If all people can hear is the small violent minority because no one else is speaking up, don't be surprised if people come away with a poor impression.


Unless there's an established good reason not to, this falls apart quickly. Assassin's Creed managed to include a woman, a black man, and a Native American man as main characters despite the series being established. Dragon Age Inquisition includes defined LGB characters despite it being established.


Sure, a diverse work force is slowly seeping in and will hopefully be capable of convincing publishers to let them do cool shit, and the ride of indies gives more avenues too. But given the coordinated, effective harassment campaign that drives women away from this industry, and the vitriol and abuse that gets hurled for making anything with diversity on it (want to know how many times I've seen people say they refuse to play a gay character? It's a lot more than you'd think), why would anyone want to?

There's that infamous imgur of companies to avoid who put out or support "SJW" games. Including that shit gets called an agenda, and it's forced down people's throats, and it's political, and can't they just make games? Given the abuse people suffer as creators in this industry, I sure as fuck have felt like it's not worth it to try and express my voice by making games, despite dreams otherwise.


OK, I'm going to respond to this as calmly and bluntly as I possibly can, and preface this by saying I am not attacking you personally.

This is a load of bullshit. I am so god damned tired of people telling me and other minorities that they should, in essence, shut the hell up. Because that's what you're doing, whether you realize it or not. You're equating criticism of and reaction to the under representation of minorities in media as shoving it down people's throats. That instead we should stop talking about it, stop getting upset, and let it run its course. That is the implication, intentional or not, to saying that bringing these issues up is not OK and that we have to let it act naturally.

I need you to stop and reflect for a moment on how equality has ever happened. It was not by people sitting back and making it a natural process. It was by arguing, yelling, marching, taking to the streets so that not only were they acknowledged they made people listen. By not giving a shit that it made people feel uncomfortable. That was true for women's suffrage, it was true for the civil rights movement, it was true for the gay rights movement.

Telling minorities the equivalent of "stop being so uppity, you're making everyone unhappy" is just not cool, and I'm so fucking sick of being told what I can say and how I'm allowed to say it when I want to talk about issues that matter and affect me. Why should I, after years and years of feeling isolated in my hobby and made to feel unwelcome through harassment or invisible because no one talked about these issues, let people's unease at me being included or talking about same (and yeah, that happens all too often, even here) stop me from talking about it because they feel forced to acknowledge there is an issue? I've been told "who cares?" too many god damned times to suddenly think that sitting down and shutting up and twiddling my thumbs waiting for things to happen naturally will do anything.

Maybe you're going to say of course you didn't mean to say don't talk about it, just don't force it. But given I've seen any request or discussion for diversity met with ire, dismissal, revulsion, I don't think that whatever arbitrary line that is crossed from request to demand, discussion to yelling, matters to those opposed because they're opposed regardless. And being quiet lets them ignore us, ignore the problem, and maintain the status quo. And honestly, after seeing so much apathy and push back and rejection to the very fucking notion of including characters like me in a game, I don't really give a shit if talking about it and voicing my frustration and upset at being ignored makes people feel uncomfortable or that I'm forcing it down their throats, because it's my god damn hobby too, and I deserve to have a voice in it and about it.

I'm sorry if that upsets you to read, because again, my intention isn't to attack you but the argument you made. And it's one I've seen one too many times. And frankly, I'm tired of dancing around it.


I'm glad you don't care. But others do. And this isn't about having games where a character's race or gender is the focal point, no one I've seen is asking for that. In fact, that really misses the point quite badly because the whole point is that games can and should include minorities without needing to make a statement or be about it unless the developers intend it. Even though you care about representation getting better, it's really dismissive to write what comes across as "well I'm not bothered by it" because the implication is "so neither should you."


Two points: one, the irony of generalizing all reaction to a lack of representation to the most extreme of it in this thread of all threads should not be lost on you. Two, if you're going to suggest that people upset let things happen naturally while, by your own admission, companies have no financial interest in representation or diversity, you can't be upset when consumers express their desires in a way that companies will understand: social media campaigns, boycotts, whatever. Because think about it: you've already said that companies have no guarantee that changing games to be inclusive will benefit them financially, and games are such a big risk that they'll continue to not be inclusive for fear of any lost sales by any potential narrowing of appeal. Who would, in a shrinking market with bigger budgets, suddenly decide to start new franchises that are inclusive? Especially in light of a community that has had a very vocal group frothing at the mouth to boycott any "SJW" publishers and journalists? So you're basically saying don't get upset, don't change anything that exists even if it is eminently changeable because it existing is enough to prevent any change (but not changes in mechanics, story, or anything else!), and instead wait for something that may not happen and don't you do anything that will let companies know it is in their financial interests to include you.

How in the hell does change happen with those restrictions?

I'm also going to point out that frowning on boycotts implies an obligation to buy something you don't necessarily agree with, when consumers have every right to not buy something for any reason. And given that consumers often only have their voices heard through their choice on what to buy (look at Microsoft reacting to the low sales of the Xbox One), and given the community's penchant for trying to enact change against things like DRM or DLC or season passes through vitriol, petitions and boycotting, it seems super strange to deny it as a vehicle for expression.
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Gosh this is such a great post and of course immediately dismissed by the other guy because it doesn't fit his agenda.
 
Corpekata said:
Well, I mean her ex boyfriend and supposedly one of the youtubers are in there. Not exactly just random people.
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It's been a long time since I used IRC, but usernames aren't that protected, are they? Couldn't it be anyone using those names? It'd be very easy for them to deny they were on there. And we don't really know the shape of the whole conversation, or why/how they're on there.

I feel like a crummy defense lawyer defending them, but like so much of this "Controversy" I take it with a grain of salt.
 
Corpekata said:
Explain it for us dummies.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were dumb. Not only are the members on 4chan anonymous and none registered but there is no real official chat IRCs other then the support one. Claiming to have damning evidence against 4chan's intentions based on individual posts, that anyone can make, or logs from a chat room with no way of knowing who the people in it represent, that once again anyone can make, is as pointless as claiming if I went and made a GAF irc and posted stuff about raiding some other site as proof of anything to do with GAF.

That isn't saying that I don't believe that the pics are from a server created by people from /v/, just that even if it is it is irrelevant. I mean go and even look at the responses to the post she screencaped from /v/ proper to see what a joke even that is seen as.
 
I think what the real actions that kicked the beehive of internet stupid wasn't that people were arguing for a place for better representations of women, transgendered, gay, or minority views in games. It was that some of these voices invaded an established community and continually delegitimized it.

Imagine if the DJ at a strip club lectured the audience about the objectification of women while directly profiting from the objectification of women. Imagine if the entire venue repeatedly shamed the crowd of drunk men. Most would just leave, but some would probably get pissed and start a fight.

Imagine if your drug dealer continually degraded you while supplying your drugs. Hey, drugs are bad...but hearing it from your drug dealer would be....jarring.

None of this makes the violence or threats okay. At all. But....ain't it kind of predictable? And isn't it understandable to admit a certain feeling of schadenfreude at seeing those who tilt at windmills getting a few bloody noses in the absurd attempt to forcibly reform an entire community?

Yeah, we ALL want the community and the product to get better. It can certainly stand to get better. I don't think you can forcibly drag the community into it though, and that's what so many of these pieces and writers seemed bound and determined to do. It's all been so 'holier-than-thou' - which is absurd coming from the very avenues that are so close to the very creators of what they then say is a terrible product.

And again - and I want to be clear about this - nothing I've said should be construed to be a defense of threatened violence or harassment.

Lastly, it's so weird to be so completely politically in line with the writers who want this (Personally, I love Sarkeesian's videos) and yet so completely alienated by much of the approach (Sarkeesian excepted).
 
disastermouse said:
I think what the real actions that kicked the beehive of internet stupid wasn't that people were arguing for a place for better representations of women, transgendered, gay, or minority views in games. It was that some of these voices invaded an established community and continually delegitimized it.

Imagine if the DJ at a strip club lectured the audience about the objectification of women while directly profiting from the objectification of women. Imagine if the entire venue repeatedly shamed the crowd of drunk men. Most would just leave, but some would probably get pissed and start a fight.

Imagine if your drug dealer continually degraded you while supplying your drugs. Hey, drugs are bad...but hearing it from your drug dealer would be....jarring.

None of this makes the violence or threats okay. At all. But....ain't it kind of predictable? And isn't it understandable to admit a certain feeling of schadenfreude at seeing those who tilt at windmills getting a few bloody noses in the absurd attempt to forcibly reform an entire community?

Yeah, we ALL want the community and the product to get better. It can certainly stand to get better. I don't think you can forcibly drag the community into it though, and that's what so many of these pieces and writers seemed bound and determined to do. It's all been so 'holier-than-thou' - which is absurd coming from the very avenues that are so close to the very creators of what they then say is a terrible product.

And again - and I want to be clear about this - nothing I've said should be construed to be a defense of threatened violence or harassment.

Lastly, it's so weird to be so completely politically in line with the writers who want this (Personally, I love Sarkeesian's videos) and yet so completely alienated by much of the approach (Sarkeesian excepted).
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So you get a sense of satisfaction from seeing people harassed but you're not defending the harassment?
 
Sneds said:
So you get a sense of satisfaction from seeing people harassed but you're not defending the harassment?
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No. I think the harassment is deplorable.

You know those funny gifs where people do something incredibly ill-advised and then fall down and hurt themselves. It's like that. On one level, you hope they're not hurt too bad. On the other hand - dude - how would they think it would end any other way?

They KNEW about 4chan beforehand, right?

What I respect about Sarkeesian is this - she's not trying to shame you while selling you on the shameful product in the first place. She puts up an amazing argument that can totally get you to see a shadow you weren't even aware was there, and she invites respectful disagreement. If you're not ready for the message, you can totally avoid her. And that makes it doubly sad that she's being attacked, in my opinion.

The writers on some of these sites are running non-stop spectacles of the very same shadow and then insulting their audience in the very next breath for being into it. Ain't that just a little....fucked up? I mean, how exactly do you get to the point where you're that un-self-aware?

You wanna lecture the drug users on the evils of drugs? Great! Maybe you should stop selling drugs first.
 
disastermouse said:
No. I think the harassment is deplorable.

You know those funny gifs where people do something incredibly ill-advised and then fall down and hurt themselves. It's like that. On one level, you hope they're not hurt too bad. On the other hand - dude - how would they think it would end any other way?

They KNEW about 4chan beforehand, right?

What I respect about Sarkeesian is this - she's not trying to shame you while selling you on the shameful product in the first place. She puts up an amazing argument that can totally get you to see a shadow you weren't even aware was there, and she invites respectful disagreement. If you're not ready for the message, you can totally avoid her. And that makes it doubly sad that she's being attacked, in my opinion.

The writers on some of these sites are running non-stop spectacles of the very same shadow and then insulting their audience in the very next breath for being into it. Ain't that just a little....fucked up? I mean, how exactly do you get to the point where you're that un-self-aware?

You wanna lecture the drug users on the evils of drugs? Great! Maybe you should stop selling drugs first.
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The people you're criticising aren't the people being harassed. The people being harassed are women like Anita, Zoe and Jenn who aren't promoting AAA titles.

And in general, I do think what you're doing is blaming the abused for their abuse.
 
disastermouse said:
You know those funny gifs where people do something incredibly ill-advised and then fall down and hurt themselves. It's like that. On one level, you hope they're not hurt too bad. On the other hand - dude - how would they think it would end any other way?
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Except it's not some prat jumping off a roof into a pile of snow an clipping a gutter on their way down, it's people doing entirely reasonable critical analysis. The comparison is disingenuous because it makes their actions analogous with something stupid. It's like saying people wearing low cut tops should expect to be cat called; while it may be true that it happens a lot, we should be doing everything we can to stop it happening rather than shrugging our shoulders and going, "Well, 4chan will be 4chan".
 
Corpekata said:
The lawyer created an indiegogo for his wife and was found out in like 12 hours. I'm not saying they're smart.
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Zoe is trolling them, lol. As if she needs to trawl irc channels for this conspiracy.

When there is a github for it.

BTW those youtube guys are apparently planning something due tomorrow with regards to Zoe. Some more harassment stuffs.
 
If people wanted to attack Zoe Quinn, her masterful long-form trolling through these screencaps, basically undercutting EVERY aspect of GamerGate, from the harassing idiots to the very legitimate concerns about journalism - has proven that she's a very capable organiser. It's all very high school, but the byzantine execution here is pretty terrifying. Ironically, if she was listed as a dev as a new game, I'd now be excited in a way I wasn't before.
 
Sneds said:
The people you're criticising aren't the people being harassed. The people being harassed are women like Anita, Zoe and Jenn who aren't promoting AAA titles.

And in general, I do think what you're doing is blaming the abused for their abuse.
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What? I've seen journalist on twitter insulting and doxxing people left and right, and nobody says anything against them?

You know, there are bad people from both sides.
 
It seems like she's been lurking in those chatrooms this whole time, collecting transcripts of everything.

Goddamn, what a twist.
 
Corpekata said:
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508174331243810817

https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175131017871361
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175194662256640
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175551643652096
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175618584768512
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508175977520693249
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176313564160000
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508176985932046336
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508177054223699968
https://twitter.com/MsMinotaur/status/508177920687210496
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180612348256256
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508180795136032768
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/508181098145136640

Sorry for the poor formatting, not sure of a good way to show twitter stuff really. Basically Quinn has been hiding in 4chan chats and screencapping them, supposedly. Pretty damning stuff if true.
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I feel for zoe quinn, I really do. I've been a victim of this kind of abuse several times in my 'e-career' and it sucks and it hurts.

But because her ex and a handful of people in a circlejerk are harassing her, doesnt mean everyone that supports gaming reform is harassing her. I personally wouldn't hurt a fly. I'd give my right arm for those idiots to stop misrepresenting me.

But it doesn't mean I'll roll over when people tell me what a neckbearded piece of shit I supposedly am because one of my hobbies is video games.

also I'm fairly certain I am one of the "youtube scum" she's referring too as well as one of the "sockpuppets who are saying harassment is bad", so that's good.
 
boogie2988 said:
I feel for zoe quinn, I really do. I've been a victim of this kind of abuse several times in my 'e-career' and it sucks and it hurts.

But because her ex and a handful of people in a circlejerk are harassing her, doesnt mean everyone that supports gaming reform is harassing her. I personally wouldn't hurt a fly. I'd give my right arm for those idiots to stop misrepresenting me.

But it doesn't mean I'll roll over when people tell me what a neckbearded piece of shit I supposedly am because one of my hobbies is video games.

also I'm fairly certain I am one of the "youtube scum" she's referring too as well as one of the "sockpuppets who are saying harassment is bad", so that's good.
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I don't think you are. I think she's referring to mundanematt (if that's really him) who is in the chat room, as his video about her was one of the launching points. Sock puppets also means a fake account usually.

And I think she knows that there's innocent people involved. She has more tweets. She's not decrying the average person, she's mostly saying they were used.
 
boogie2988 said:
I feel for zoe quinn, I really do. I've been a victim of this kind of abuse several times in my 'e-career' and it sucks and it hurts.

But because her ex and a handful of people in a circlejerk are harassing her, doesnt mean everyone that supports gaming reform is harassing her. I personally wouldn't hurt a fly. I'd give my right arm for those idiots to stop misrepresenting me.

But it doesn't mean I'll roll over when people tell me what a neckbearded piece of shit I supposedly am because one of my hobbies is video games.

also I'm fairly certain I am one of the "youtube scum" she's referring too as well as one of the "sockpuppets who are saying harassment is bad", so that's good.
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In what way are you trying to reform gaming?
What is gaming reform?

And has anyone in the media called you a neck-bearded piece of shit?
 
boogie2988 said:
also I'm fairly certain I am one of the "youtube scum" she's referring too as well as one of the "sockpuppets who are saying harassment is bad", so that's good.
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Sockpuppet = a fake account. By definition you are excluded from that category.

And has anyone in the media called you a neck-bearded piece of shit?
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I think a self-identified "SJW" did? Not sure how it relates to Zoe at all.
 
Oh now this ZQ IRC stuff is just delicious, hey trolls it's that journalism you apparently care so much about and it proves you're scum! Delighted.

Just to be clear I choose to believe that the majority posting under #GamerGate wanted nothing to do with the harassment that the label represented. Hopefully those who do actually care about the alleged focus of GG can reform under another tag minus the scum. For me GG had an evil cradling and nothing can rescue it now that significant players have been exposed for the bigots they are.
 
polychron said:
Except it's not some prat jumping off a roof into a pile of snow an clipping a gutter on their way down, it's people doing entirely reasonable critical analysis. The comparison is disingenuous because it makes their actions analogous with something stupid. It's like saying people wearing low cut tops should expect to be cat called; while it may be true that it happens a lot, we should be doing everything we can to stop it happening rather than shrugging our shoulders and going, "Well, 4chan will be 4chan".
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Nah. It's more like a woman going into a strip club where cat-calling is the order of the day and then calling everyone in the joint a bunch of pervs.
 
disastermouse said:
Nah. It's more like a woman going into a strip club where cat-calling is the order of the day and then calling everyone in the joint a bunch of pervs.
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... This is quite common due to a lot of customers having absolutely no respect for the boundaries of strippers & often breaking a strip club's rules regarding groping etc.

I kinda feel like the analogies aren't really helpful to this discussion imo.
 
It's a shame that we literally needed irrefutable proof from the organizers of #Gamergate that the whole movement was about harassment, stalking, abuse, and blatant misogyny
 
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