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[KCroxtonJr]

The idea that apparently many would be ok with 900p if the xb1 version was at 720p is what makes it funny to me.

What's funny is you read some stuff but you completely missed the point lol

(edited to be less harsh)

 

[Lilalaunebaer]

https://www.hashtags.org/analytics/ps4noparity/

About 3 tweets per minute.

Really working well on avoiding those debates and stuff.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Have I said the XB1 is stronger?
Have I even said that the XB1 and PS4 are the same?

No, I havent.

But for me 900p X 1080p does not prove me that the PS4 is MUCH stronger then XB1. Id use that for a difference like WiiU or Wii last gen.

What the fuck does "MUCH" stronger mean? This isn't a touchy feely thing, it's numbers.

This isn't 2013, we have all the specs and all the numbers. Why you're arguing over it by asking if it's "much", which nobody fucking knows what that actually means, is stupid and pointless.

 

[Dragon]

Fantastic attempt at a comeback but sadly I've read this whine thread and I'm still here reading it.

So you're just a masochist then? What's the point of any of your posts? They don't lead to a deeper view on the topic at hand. They're just about your ego. No one cares.

 

[Interfectum]

You can get more out of the PS4 yes, but that's mainly due to the Xbox One having Direct X 11. Which has a lot of CPU overhead. The actual power of the PS4 CPU is less than the Xbox One CPU however. The Xbox One CPU is 1.75ghz and the PS4 CPU is 1.6ghz

I would like to thank Ubisoft for taking us back to 2013.

 

[Zombie James]

i wonder if the backlash would have been the same if they hadn't mentioned their reasoning, and just said what the resolution and framerate were.

Probably. When the power gap is as large as it is, there's no excuse for parity.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Tweeted it

 

[LukasTaves]

LOL at the image, but the scenario described is possible. The game can be so cpu bound that it takes away time from the GPU so you end up with less time to handle graphics. This is basically what Mantle showed us, but to achieve higher framerates instead of resolution.

 

[GRaider81]

What a fantastic job of avoiding discussion and stuff

 

[SJRB]

This thread is such a shit show. People cancelling pre orders if the resolution is slightly lower than 1080p? People trying to tweet every major gaming site? Saying it was a ms moneyhat?

It's pretty obvious the ps4 could do 1080p. But making this big of a deal out of it?

This is why gamers get a bad rep imo. Well this and gamergate stuff.

Congrats on completely missing the point.

 

[Jinfash]

Have you thought about the fact that this developer didn't need to say anything about "parity"? He could have just said "hey, this is the best we could do", and leave it at that.

By your suggestion they were paid for "parity", and then he decided to publicly reveal this fact? lol


Oh great. I love insiders who only know stuff after the fact.

They could have come up with something more believable than what they said. Citing debates and bottlenecks that shouldn't impact resolution is nothing short of stupid.

The latter which you've already threw out a couple of times without self-correcting.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Pretty sure that the ps4 version will have a slight edge in terms of effects and framerate.

Nobody will really care about that tho. The money maker is 1080p vs 900p or 60 vs 30. MS got what they wanted. Sharper shadows or more foliage or whatever, isn't going to matter. MS bent Sony over the table.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Don't wanna get into this mess of a debate (if that at all), but this has got to be the stupidest gaming related PR statement I've read all year. Is he homeboys with Mattrick and Yusuf?

How can someone be so out of touch with his audience that you wouldn't see the clusterfuck that this statement would cause?

 

[GreyOcelot]

This thread is such a shit show. People cancelling pre orders if the resolution is slightly lower than 1080p? People trying to tweet every major gaming site? Saying it was a ms moneyhat?

It's pretty obvious the ps4 could do 1080p. But making this big of a deal out of it?

This is why gamers get a bad rep imo. Well this and gamergate stuff.

i think the point of contention went right over your head

 

[Kssio_Aug]

We know the PS4 is about 40% more powerful. That's significant. There is no debating with those numbers.



This is great news. Day 1 1080p patch I'm thinking.

40% that we can barely notice while playing. 40% is a significant number, but is it that significant in pratice terms?
I will not argue "numbers", but I do argue what I see. I am yet to see the PS4 showing something that makes me see it as a much stronger console. Last gen I saw horrible differences between the PS3 and XB360, and that never made the XB360 MUCH stronger then PS3.
Such as last gen, this gen I would say XB1 and PS4 are on the same "class". I know one is more capable then another, but I still cant see how that difference is that big.

 

[BruiserBear]

If you don't know what you are talking, just stop.

CPU and AI processing has nothing to do with resolution. AI processing is the same, no matter if the game is running at 720p or 4k. They are intentionally gimping resolution on PS4 because Xbone does not have good enough GPU, and they don't want to have "debates and stuff". Purely PR-focused move.

If I saw genuine evidence that games were being gimped on the PS4 because Microsoft wanted it that way, I would be mad.

But I don't see that here. I see a developer using the word "parity" to describe the resolution being the same, but according to people here he just outed a secret he wasn't supposed to?

 

[Alchemy]

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff,"

I've decided to not buy this game, to avoid bullshit and stuff.

 

[daman824]

What the fuck does "MUCH" stronger mean? This isn't a touchy feely thing, it's numbers.

This isn't 2013, we have all the specs and all the numbers. Why you're arguing over it by asking if it's "much", which nobody fucking knows what that actually means, is stupid and pointless.

You're right. It's subjuective. So why are you harping on him?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

LOL at the image, but the scenario described is possible. The game can be so cpu bound that it takes away time from the GPU so you end up with less time to handle graphics. This is basically what Mantle showed us, but to achieve higher framerates instead of resolution.

Didn't Respawn say they had to knock down Titanfall's resolution partially because they were CPU bound as well?

 

[Mung]

This thread is such a shit show. People cancelling pre orders if the resolution is slightly lower than 1080p? People trying to tweet every major gaming site? Saying it was a ms moneyhat?

It's pretty obvious the ps4 could do 1080p. Bu making this big of a deal out of it?

This is why gamers get a bad rep imo.

We are paying good money for games.

Why should we accept them being gimped ?

 

[Dragon1893]

Wow, this is ridiculous.
And the funniest part is that it's actually going to be more controversial since at this point everyone's aware of the fact that games are going to look worse on the X1 because of hardware limitations.
This, on the other hand has no justification.
Hell, maybe that's the point? At the end of the day it's publicity.

 

[TimeEffect]

Was the original aim 1080/60 FPS?

Game could have been 900/30 and 1080/30, but 900/30 and 1080/60 seems like a bigger issue, as it affects gameplay...maybe that's why there is parity?

 

[sense]

Well, according to you I guess we'll see the same thing with Advanced Warefare.

you don't think the two versions are going to be equal this time around? lol
if ps4 version is higher resolution that xb1 then you know what, i will accept your theory that MS didn't have anything to do with AC Parity.

 

[nbnt]

Annnnd off my list. Thanks for making that decision easier.

 

[Vizzeh]

This thread is such a shit show. People cancelling pre orders if the resolution is slightly lower than 1080p? People trying to tweet every major gaming site? Saying it was a ms moneyhat?

It's pretty obvious the ps4 could do 1080p. But making this big of a deal out of it?

This is why gamers get a bad rep imo.

You are really missing the point. I couldnt care if Xbox was playing 1440p + ps4 900p if it was the best effort from the developer... gimping 1 version to match the other "because of stuff" sets a dangerous precedent...

Why should anyone buy ANYTHING that is not done 100% to their ability ? Its anti-consumer and negligent

 

[Lord Error]

Because now I don't have to worry about getting a lesser version. I understand why that's upsetting to people but that's just the way I feel about it currently.

You are necessarily getting a lesser version compared to someone with a higher-end PC, so what's the difference really? It's not the version you were going to buy either way,

 

[TomRL]

We don't know at what speed the PS4's CPU is running IIRC, Sony has never published those numbers.
And even though it's Direct X 11's fault (I guess? Never heard of it) , the PS4 CPU is still at an "advantage"

Still an advantage, but not more powerful. Which is the key word.

http://ps4daily.com/2014/03/playstation-4-cpu-clock-speed-confirmed-at-1-6-ghz/

 

[Korezo]

Ubisoft wants to take that worst company of the year award away from EA so bad.

This is terrible news.

 

[vpance]

For the extreme layman, this is what Ubisoft said (regarding CPU & resolution):

"Both PS4 and Xbox One can only have 10 Apples, so we are giving 10 Apples to both.

Also, to end debates, both Xbox One and PS4 will receive 20 Oranges, despite the fact that PS4 could have 26 Oranges."

Should be 20 and 30 oranges, but yeah.

 

[UrokeJoe]

I just want the best a game can deliver on any platform. Parity??! WTF??

 

[Floridian]

Wait so Ubisoft wanted to avoid controversy and debate yet gives the least informed reason on why they intentionally gimped a version of the game, expecting no strong reactions?

 

[Yoda]

Sucks for the console only crowd. If I get this it will be on PC anyway so #masterace?

 

[Pillville]

"Sir, the peasants don't want debate."
"Then let them have Parity."

 

[matrixman92]

Don't wanna get into this mess of a debate (if that at all), but this has got to be the stupidest gaming related PR statement I've read all year. Is he homeboys with Mattrick and Yusuf?

How can someone be so out of touch with his audience that you wouldn't see the clusterfuck that this statement would cause?

The people who obsess over stuff like parity and post on gaming forums about it are NOT the majority of the audience.

 

[Coolade]

By that reasoning how do we know some Marketing deals with Sony havent gimped the xbox one to have lower resolution/frame rates? It doesnt make sense for MS to pay for something like this when the Resolution and Framerate issue is not something that will make the game sell considerable more in Xbox One or Considerable less in PS4.

I can't support this, there isn't even a debate everyone knows the PS4 can push better graphics at this point in every case.

It makes me sick but I can see a business case for this and it isn't pro consumer at all. Essentially their time will be spent optimising the Xbox one version and parity will mean they don't have to do as much to the ps4 version because it's superior processing will overcome the hurdles of the Xbox one. Essentially optimisation will focus on Xbox and ps4 will still handle it with parity with less optimisation. Ubi saves money and it's complete bullshit.

Ubi has officially entered my publisher shitlist now and that was reserved only for EA prior

This is the same company that said they couldn't add female assassins in because it would be too hard. Did people really expect them to work on increasing the resolution of the PS4 version?

 

[Xpliskin]

You can get more out of the PS4 yes, but that's mainly due to the Xbox One having Direct X 11. Which has a lot of CPU overhead. The actual power of the PS4 CPU is less than the Xbox One CPU however. The Xbox One CPU is 1.75ghz and the PS4 CPU is 1.6ghz

 

[mdubs]

You are necessarily getting a lesser version compared to someone with a higher-end PC, so what's the difference really? It's not the version you were going to buy either way,

Sure, but now I can say I have no reservations about picking up the Xbox One version over the ps4 version.

 

[Serick]

This thread is such a shit show. People cancelling pre orders if the resolution is slightly lower than 1080p? People trying to tweet every major gaming site? Saying it was a ms moneyhat?

It's pretty obvious the ps4 could do 1080p. But making this big of a deal out of it?

This is why gamers get a bad rep imo. Well this and gamergate stuff.

It's anti-consumer. This is not why gamers get a bad rep. You should probably do some more research before making such broad generalizations. Let's start with bigotry and swatting before we worry about "not buying" something.

 

[Huggers]

Not cool. It'd be a deal breaker for me if I liked Assassins Creed

 

[Dragon1893]

Let's hope noone else follows this example.

 

[koutoru]

Annnnd off my list. Thanks for making that decision easier.

Honestly there's plenty of other games for me to focus on in November.
I can wait a couple of months to buy this when it goes on sale or something.

 

[UnObtainium17]

Just don't buy the game. I aint begging UBI to make the PS4 version better. fuck em.

 

[Vizzeh]

Still an advantage, but not more powerful. Which is the key word.

http://ps4daily.com/2014/03/playstation-4-cpu-clock-speed-confirmed-at-1-6-ghz/

As I said earlier:

Lets not kid ourselves here, they are both identical CPU's 1 running at a higher clock because it has more overheads to contend with, snap features, kinnect etc... It does NOT have a higher CPU resource pool to use for games. PS4 chooses not to use that clock.

 

[TomRL]

40% that we can barely notice while playing. 40% is a significant number, but is it that significant in pratice terms?
I will not argue "numbers", but I do argue what I see. I am yet to see the PS4 showing something that makes me see it as a much stronger console. Last gen I saw horrible differences between the PS3 and XB360, and that never made the XB360 MUCH stronger then PS3.
Such as last gen, this gen I would say XB1 and PS4 are on the same "class". I know one is more capable then another, but I still cant see how that difference is that big.

You PS3 and 360 analogy doesn't make any sense.

When one game is 30fps and the other is 60fps there is a massive difference. Sniper Elite 3.

 

[TimeEffect]

For the extreme layman, this is what Ubisoft said (regarding CPU & resolution):

"Both PS4 and Xbox One can only have 10 Apples, so we are giving 10 Apples to both.

Also, to end debates, both Xbox One and PS4 will receive 20 Oranges, despite the fact that PS4 could have 26 Oranges."

Well, in that case, why are we all paying the same premium price?

 

[CryptiK]

The logic behind this is amazing.

 

[Chobel]

Well, according to you I guess we'll see the same thing with Advanced Warefare.

Just playing devil's advocate:

It's a different game from different publisher so it doesn't mean it will have the same results.

 

[Portugeezer]

The people who obsess over stuff like parity and post on gaming forums about it are NOT the majority of the audience.

Are the majority of the audience people who would notice his friends version is 1080p whilst his version is 900p?

C'mon, any news regarding resolution is for those who care about it.

 

[TomRL]

As I said earlier:

I know all of this, why are you telling me what I already know.

 

[hohoXD123]

Sucks for the console only crowd. If I get this it will be on PC anyway so #masterace?

Aren't Ubisoft games infamous for being shit on PC anyway?