the_batman
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the sad thing is that the mainstream people have no idea what's going on, they're just excited to play another one of their favorite games.
AC: Unity's devs: 60FPS doesn't look real and is less cinematic, 30FPS feels better
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the sad thing is that the mainstream people have no idea what's going on, they're just excited to play another one of their favorite games.
robertsan21
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What he thinks the Hobbit movie didnt look good?
The HFR version is the best version and it´s something I hope every movie will adopt
The HFR version is the best version and it´s something I hope every movie will adopt
Scrooge McDuck
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I believe the no-tall-buildings and the no-more-than-50-people-on-screen thingies help MGS a lot in reaching that fps.
Orthogonal
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Completely agree, if Devs were honest about their design decisions. Some people may not agree with it, but at least it would prevent the shitstorm that comes from treating your audience like idiots.
I think we have reached the point when average Jo gamer doesn't really read any news or even care about how a company is treating customers, they just see a game they like and want and buy it without really thinking about anything else.
They don't care about 1080p or 60FPS they just want a game they will enjoy.
It would be beautiful to be like that
They don't care about 1080p or 60FPS they just want a game they will enjoy.
It would be beautiful to be like that
When the developer starts believing their own marketing PR bullshit and then they themselves start selling that bullshit to its fanbase; eh, fuckem, I tuned out years ago, game plays exactly the same if its full price or under $20, Ive been perfectly fine waiting for it to be under $20, that's what I think of your stale gameplay and cinematic experience
the_batman
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well you pretty much have to hit the high framerate count in order to properly utilize VR in games.
Orthogonal
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Yeah, it makes no sense for him to put a subjective opinion as a definitive statement. He may not like HFR, but there are many that do. For me HFR makes 3D movies watchable and fixes my pet peeve of jittery, seizure inducing pan shots that no director worth his salt should ever include in a 24fps film.
NullPointer
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I would've hoped that The Last of Use Remastered would finally shut down that whole line of argument. Its easy enough to toggle between 30fps and 60fps and see (and feel) the dramatic difference.
What audience are these people talking to?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Games and cinema are obviously two different entertainment mediums.
I really dislike this comparison to cinema.
If this statement is true than how come so-called cinematic games like Call of Duty, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, and Last of Us, perhaps the closest a game can get to a cinematic level, plays so much better at 60fps?
I really dislike this comparison to cinema.
If this statement is true than how come so-called cinematic games like Call of Duty, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition, and Last of Us, perhaps the closest a game can get to a cinematic level, plays so much better at 60fps?
Guarantee if Ubisoft (or almost any dev) was making MGSV, it would be 30 fps. E.g. Far cry 4
Canis lupus
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AC is the last game you need 60fps for.
All they have to say is "we didn't hit 60 FPS because we wanted increased visual fidelity. The game is locked at 30 FPS and smooth. Hope you guys enjoy it." Thats it. No controversy. These bullshit PR statements aren't needed.
I think we have reached the point when average Jo gamer doesn't really read any news or even care about how a company is treating customers, they just see a game they like and want and buy it without really thinking about anything else.
They don't care about 1080p or 60FPS they just want a game they will enjoy.
It would be beautiful to be like that
The day that I first began to notice the difference in framerates was the beginning of the end for me.
AnyoneInCherno
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I don't understand why they can't just be honest about it. There's a serious difference between 30 and 60 FPS in terms of gameplay, but halving the target framerate gives devs much more leeway to achieve better visuals on consoles. I understand that. I also understand that you can't really show 60 FPS off in a screenshot on the back of a box. Fine. What I don't understand is why Ubisoft don't take that route. We all know that these new consoles aren't powerful machines, and Ubi doesn't need to say that - they could just say that they're getting better graphics by aiming for 30 FPS. But, for god sakes - don't say that 30 FPS feels better than 60. That is an outright lie.
TheVampire
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How about at least giving us the choice on PC
robertsan21
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akachan ningen
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And as we all know, being cinematic is the whole point of video games.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
ACIV on PS4.
I've heard it's possible for it to drop if a fort and multiple ships are all firing their cannons at once... in a storm... but I've never seen it. And DF didn't find a drop in four hours of measuring. Not one.
So wrong. It would be a much smoother experience.
John Bender
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I fear for his health/heart.
Hope he doesn't see this thread here.
The Silver
Member
I'm someone who really doesn't care at all about resolution and am perfectly with 30fps for slower paced game.
However Ubisoft peddling complete bullshit honestly makes me not want to buy an AC game ever again.(which would be easy since the last one I bought was AC2)
However Ubisoft peddling complete bullshit honestly makes me not want to buy an AC game ever again.(which would be easy since the last one I bought was AC2)
the_batman
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Notor!ousG
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Does it actually really matter what they say?
They know the game will sell millions
They know the game will sell millions
cripterion
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That statement would make too much sense for them though.
Black Republican
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any publicity is good publicity
Sanctuary
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It didn't unless you like the cheap soap opera/live recording look that completely destroys the "film" look. No one that I went with to see the HFR version liked it at all, and we actually all went back a second time to see the standard version. Regardless, him comparing an HFR movie to a video game is beyond stupid. They aren't the same medium at all.
I mean technicaly they're right, 30fps is closer to 24fps, which I guess you'd deem as more cinematic. But films and games are two different mediums and if you were really trying to get a cinematic experience you'd drop your frame rate to 24fps.... but you cant... because its the gameplay isnt smooth enough, you loose response time and ultimately take away from the experience of your game.....
Man look I'm sure Ubi developers are under some serious pressure, they really cant spend time optimizing their engine to get it running at 1080p 60fps. It's not commercially viable or an efficient use of time to be the fore front of the graphics race, I get that, its a business, make a game, make of standard, within a time frame and move on to the next project. Thats the reality of the situation and while I dont expect them to not be proud of their achievements (no one is saying Unity looks like crap) just dont try and bs us, we're not idiots .
Man look I'm sure Ubi developers are under some serious pressure, they really cant spend time optimizing their engine to get it running at 1080p 60fps. It's not commercially viable or an efficient use of time to be the fore front of the graphics race, I get that, its a business, make a game, make of standard, within a time frame and move on to the next project. Thats the reality of the situation and while I dont expect them to not be proud of their achievements (no one is saying Unity looks like crap) just dont try and bs us, we're not idiots .
Liamario
Banned
I imagine he's talking to people who only buy one or two games every year, people who don't know the difference between gameplay and graphics.
60 but with slowdown in the evening.
Celestial Mortal
Member
120fps.
But seriously, first the parity debacle and now this. It's like they really want a break from the AC series but the publisher won't let them.
I'm fairly certain that no publisher/developer truly believes that 30fps is in any way better but when your development budget only stretches so far, something has to give way. The average consumer doesn't know any better and visuals are something that's instantly clear to distinguish between so higher frame rates are foregone and rather than say this they for whatever reason assume it's better to try and spin it in their favor. Wooing uninformed investors/consumers is probably the best bet here.
It's amazing how insulting this industry is to its consumers on a constant basis. This industries obsession with clinging to the word "cinematic" is so tiring, it's like they're trying to validate themselves as if the video game industry isn't already a huge industry to work in but it's the own doing of how some developers/publishers act that make it seem like a circus at times.