shira
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How many eps are there? Have any 2-3 parters been confirmed?
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How many eps are there? Have any 2-3 parters been confirmed?
Admiral Woofington
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What I think will happen is that people, such as Opal, will keep telling him that Kuvira is not to be trusted and he'll defend her. Maybe people start attacking her without him seeing her bad side and he fights on her side thinking they are doing good, possibly even fighting some of his friends who are all representing the other side of the war. Of course this'll be influenced by Kuvira acting as his superior officer and getting him towards his side.
Then he will eventually see her methods and decide enough is enough. Probably attempt to leave or fight her, gets defeated and needs to be rescued by the krew later on.
Icyflamez96
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Not sure.
Book 2 didn't really get going until Harmonic Convergence was introduced and that was episode 7 and 8. Well unless you consider the civil war plot. Book 3 started around Episode 8 when Zaheer finally attacked Korra (prior Zaheer was off screen and Korra wasn't even aware of this threat. It was the air bender training plot and the Queen side plot before Zaheer and Korra clash).
Given how short these seasons are, it's kind of crazy how long it takes for the main plot to take off.
Icyflamez96
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Yes I consider the civil war plot. I hardly remember book 2 but I remember feeling into it with the courtroom scene and the Unaloq and Tonraq stuff.
I'm not the only person who likes Jinko more than Zutara?
I think we will be good friends. Jin da queen.
I always wanted to imagine that after the final scene in Ba Sing Se, Zuko went to go find her and apologize. But also, it didn't make sense to me that Jin would just give up on Zuko for being awkward on their one date. Obviously it's because she was only written as a one-off character, but I still think it's a shame because she was awesome. xP
Bolin was one of my favorite characters from Book 1, and he's had his moments since then, but I'm still wondering what the hell they were thinking with the sexual assault scene with Ginger. I don't think it was intended to come across as a sexual assault, but just looking at what they showed us, it was pretty unambiguously disturbing to me, especially in the zero-consequences way they handled it.
Fair enough. I mean Korra being betrayed by him and the civil war kicking off certainly was what propelled the plot forward even if we didn't know about Harmonic Convergence. I loved all of Book 3. But it was kind of interesting how the main threat was kind of off screen away from Korra. Air bending nation plot was great. And I persobally loved Lin/metal clan plot.
There will be 13 episodes in this season, same as Book 3. We don't know anything about the schedule beyond next week, but there will probably be a two-part finale, based on precedent if nothing else. Also, assuming they want to finish the show before Christmas and New Year's, they'll need at least one double episode. Two if they take off Black Friday, though it's entirely possible they'll post an episode then anyway since they don't have to worry about ratings. Ad dollars don't care if people are watching the episode a day or two late.
I thought Book 3 was able to balance most of the various elements it tried to tackle better than either previous season (in part because it gave up on a few subplots after the first episode), but it sort of feels like Bryke keep biting off more than they can chew given the amount of screentime they have to work with. I had hoped that after Book 1 they'd narrow the scope of the show a little bit. Don't get me wrong, I like big, sprawling, ambitious fantasy stories, but the format here just isn't a good one for that.
That Dude John
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Speaking of that, how do you think someone without the gift of metalbending fights Kuvira without getting caught in the hilarious amount of metal bands she keeps on her? Or is it just that it would take someone like Korra, Lin, or Suyin(who apparently lost really hard) and everybody else can #GETREKT .
Admiral Woofington
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Honestly I would assume that the only way would be to be extremely mobile and use earth to block the metal bands while keeping on the move, hope she leaves an opening. Air bending would probably be the best of option. Lava bending her surroundings and using it as projectiles as well could distract her enough as well.
Yeah I agree about them biting off more than they can chew. Goes without saying with the ever growing cast that is too big. But I think Book 3 did a better job episode to episode focusing on the specific plot it was covering. Book 2 tried to cram in too many side plots, and yet it was all sprawled too far apart, so it felt jumbled. Book 3 felt more focused. Book 3 is interesting since the main threat with Zaheer was off to the side for large part of the season while the main charcters tackled other things. But it worked for me because the side plots were actually interesting and again they felt more managed instead of being 2 or 3 plots in a single episode.
Agreed, especially about the bolded. I think the Tenzin-centric subplots in both seasons are where the greatest improvement was seen. I found the extended Air Temple vacation in Book 2 to be exceedingly dull, but the reconstructed Air nation plotline in Book 3 (especially "Original Airbenders") was enjoyable and well-executed. Plus it ended up merging back into the main plot in a satisfying way, rather than having a Jinora ex machina come out of nowhere.
shira
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Oh shit. Korra = Santa.
I hope it ends at xmas. Mug o hot cocoa watching the 1 hour grand finale
Recommended The Last Airbender to a Gaffer. He doesn't want to watch it because reasons
My man. Instead Zuko
>__>
My man. Instead Zuko
ended up with Mai
He doesn't deserve to watch it.
His loss then I guess and actually
in the comics Mai broke up with Zuko so we don't know if they got back together or not at this point.
So there's still a chance I guess for Jinko heh.
So there's still a chance I guess for Jinko heh.
Really impressive stuff.
Also i'll add in that your're da best dragonz.
I'm going to start posting full time again. But some of my posting might be erratic (er rather I might not post in every episode release day) becuase my cancer treatment will be harsh and it will take a toll on me. So I just ask for some patience. This is going to be a really tough time for me. So I would appreciate your guys understanding.
Of course we understand, Azula. Don't worry about us. Just focus on your health and come here when you're ready.
This is great news, just great!
Bigboss242
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Keep going Azula. Good luck it will be tough but if it works it will be worth it.
It's a shame that ArrowGAF was so harsh, Veelk. I was enjoying the conversation, even though I was one of the people who misunderstood your major point. I just went back and read the posts of the last few pages, and, man, did the ad hominems fly hard and fast there at the end.
The worst comment, in my mind, was when someone said that "it got too serious". I dislike that so much because it's a rewording of "you're over-thinking this," which is so anti-intellectual as to be troubling.
/endminirant
I agree that AvatarGAF is a much more inviting "place" for discourse, mainly because we love the show, but can still see its flaws.
The worst comment, in my mind, was when someone said that "it got too serious". I dislike that so much because it's a rewording of "you're over-thinking this," which is so anti-intellectual as to be troubling.
/endminirant
I agree that AvatarGAF is a much more inviting "place" for discourse, mainly because we love the show, but can still see its flaws.
m_shortpants
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Hey guys what's going on in this threa-
Glad to see Azula back though <3
Glad to see Azula back though <3
We're just glad you're back with us again.
Late but hope all is well azula
from a technical standpoint the show seems to have really stepped up over the years. I wanted to mention it last week as well but forgot. The angles and zoom ins when kuriva started throwing the bands and the blur effect when she gave the smile after the bandits joined her were nice. I liked the way the camera/drawing moved in the season 4 trailer also when korra did the earthbending drop at the point where the music tempo changes.
I'll take my share of responsibility. I have a compulsion to reply to every post that replies to my post. It's very difficult for me not to. In hindsight, I should have simply not replied to people, or replied more succinctly.
And to be clear, while it can be frustrating when someone isn't understanding me, if you're being honest and trying to understand my major point, then I'd be totally willing to sit down and talk to you until you did with all the respect you are due until we both knew what the other was talking about. Especially when I can admit that the point I made was somewhat specific and unusual, sometimes a misread is just a misread. So, posters like you, that are actually trying to communicate, I have absolutely no problem with and would love to engage you at any time. It's when I make the effort to put out my ideas, and then someone comes along, misinterprets them, and then dismisses them as simply 'wrong' without giving an argument of their own that is just disrespectful to anyone who wants to make an honest conversation. And that was when I got....less than courteous.
I'll still post on Arrow gaf occasionally, even making longer posts when I feel like it, because there is no reason not in my mind. I don't want people to think I think badly of "arrow gaf" as a whole over this. It's just a few posters that have no interest in honest discourse that rubbed me the wrong way, and I just don't meet see like that in Korragaf. The fact that I never seem to be misunderstood here is a major plus. Just a few days ago, I made an pretty refined point about how spirits act, and while plenty of people disagreed, they both engaged with me and didn't misinterpret me. It was a really good discussion, and I'd love to have similar ones like that everywhere.
There's no need to apologize, Azula.
I'm so happy to hear that you've decided to continue treatment.
Get better soon so you can go destroy your enemies~
Cloud Strife
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Whatever you post and whenever you post is always appreciated. Korra GAF for life yo.
So I guess I wasn't really around for the first two episodes. I guess in short, I really liked both. I think, it's kind of interesting how serious/mature the show has gotten tone wise. The series (and I mean ATLA too) has had serious plot before. I mean Ozai genocide lol. But I just feel like the overall feeling of the world, and the tone is very bleak with Book 4. So I was kind of surprised by that shift. I figured that we would get that with Korra herself. But then the first episode doesn't even have Korra, and it all still felt bleak (so it wasn't bleak just because she is broken, the world itself just feels broken too).
I'm really liking Kuvira and how they are tackling her regime coming to power. I think what I like about it, is it kind of shows the situations with which people are willing accept this kind of power. So we see towns running out of food and supply. We see people unable to defend their property. So suddenly a new power coming in (regardless what they want) is appealing, because of food distribution and protection. I liked how they showed the state's mayor kind of hold off on joining until the last minute, before caving in because he felt it was the only option to save his people.
But for me, it goes beyond that. Even something like Bolin, I think, does a good job sort of showing another side of it. Like he's naive, but believes in their cause. He has faith in their leader. So it again shows another aspect of how people get swept up in a movement of power/governance when they naively think it's for the greater good.
HOWEVER, I really hope that...Kuvira doesn't end up just being this muhahah evil villain who's only goal is to be an ultimate power. I really want Kuvira to believe in their system of government as being the only way to make the earth kingdom survive and thrive. I would like it if, they show Kuvira living in Ba Sing Se prior to the metal clan, and suffering under the tyranny of the monarch. And so it making sense why she doesn't believe in past systems, but has a strong conviction for what they are doing.
The reason I would like this is, well...not every system is right for every people. I personally think it's mistake to assume what is best for everyone. I kind of like the idea that, Korra, and Republic City might not have the answer. And I would hate for all this to descend into "Kuvira/Communism = BAD Korra/Democracy = GOOD". I find it interesting that, Republic City allowed themselves to elect their government. AND YET, they are quick to try to put the monarch back into place (even though they know it was terrible for the people). So they basically want to stabilize the region as quickly as possible, rather then thinking about what is best for the people (okay, maybe that is an assumption, but I kind of wondered why they didn't also push for elections, since they think it did so much wonder for Republic City). And while, I don't think they have the right to push their system on to them, I just find it strange they want to put another member of the same royal family into power given what just happened in the last 100 years. lol
I'm probably over thinking that last bit, and they were just trying to get things under control as fast as possible. So you should probably ignore that last part. MY POINT IS though, I do hope there is complexity to how this political stuff is examined. It's hard for me to get a read on Kuvira. I was reading some posts on GAF during the episodes, and some posters pointed out how the camera pans on Kuvira's face looking down and evil. The music that plays around her is ominous. So the visual cues is that she's clearly evil. So I'm assuming she will....eventually descend into muhahah i just want power evil villain. And that kind of bums me out. I would have liked it to be complex, and for Korra and everyone else to not have the answer for what is right for the people of the earth kingdom. I would like it more, if Kuvira is bad...but believes what she's doing is right (kind of like Zaheer, who at least had some strong convictions for what he was doing. I never got a sense that, Zaheer was doing it because he felt he was important. He was an asshole, but he truly believed it would push the world in the right direction. He was doing it for higher ideals, and not for his own personal gain).
I'm really liking Kuvira and how they are tackling her regime coming to power. I think what I like about it, is it kind of shows the situations with which people are willing accept this kind of power. So we see towns running out of food and supply. We see people unable to defend their property. So suddenly a new power coming in (regardless what they want) is appealing, because of food distribution and protection. I liked how they showed the state's mayor kind of hold off on joining until the last minute, before caving in because he felt it was the only option to save his people.
But for me, it goes beyond that. Even something like Bolin, I think, does a good job sort of showing another side of it. Like he's naive, but believes in their cause. He has faith in their leader. So it again shows another aspect of how people get swept up in a movement of power/governance when they naively think it's for the greater good.
HOWEVER, I really hope that...Kuvira doesn't end up just being this muhahah evil villain who's only goal is to be an ultimate power. I really want Kuvira to believe in their system of government as being the only way to make the earth kingdom survive and thrive. I would like it if, they show Kuvira living in Ba Sing Se prior to the metal clan, and suffering under the tyranny of the monarch. And so it making sense why she doesn't believe in past systems, but has a strong conviction for what they are doing.
The reason I would like this is, well...not every system is right for every people. I personally think it's mistake to assume what is best for everyone. I kind of like the idea that, Korra, and Republic City might not have the answer. And I would hate for all this to descend into "Kuvira/Communism = BAD Korra/Democracy = GOOD". I find it interesting that, Republic City allowed themselves to elect their government. AND YET, they are quick to try to put the monarch back into place (even though they know it was terrible for the people). So they basically want to stabilize the region as quickly as possible, rather then thinking about what is best for the people (okay, maybe that is an assumption, but I kind of wondered why they didn't also push for elections, since they think it did so much wonder for Republic City). And while, I don't think they have the right to push their system on to them, I just find it strange they want to put another member of the same royal family into power given what just happened in the last 100 years. lol
I'm probably over thinking that last bit, and they were just trying to get things under control as fast as possible. So you should probably ignore that last part. MY POINT IS though, I do hope there is complexity to how this political stuff is examined. It's hard for me to get a read on Kuvira. I was reading some posts on GAF during the episodes, and some posters pointed out how the camera pans on Kuvira's face looking down and evil. The music that plays around her is ominous. So the visual cues is that she's clearly evil. So I'm assuming she will....eventually descend into muhahah i just want power evil villain. And that kind of bums me out. I would have liked it to be complex, and for Korra and everyone else to not have the answer for what is right for the people of the earth kingdom. I would like it more, if Kuvira is bad...but believes what she's doing is right (kind of like Zaheer, who at least had some strong convictions for what he was doing. I never got a sense that, Zaheer was doing it because he felt he was important. He was an asshole, but he truly believed it would push the world in the right direction. He was doing it for higher ideals, and not for his own personal gain).
I agree overall. I really dug Zaheer, despite that he turned his objective into "Kill Korra" by the end. He honestly believed in what he was doing, and that what he was doing was for the good of the world.
With Kuvira, I hope the same comes as well, that there's some sort of complexity to her motivations. Especially after serving the Metal Clan during the Red Lotus event. Even Amon sort of had that complexity once we learned of his Noatak background.
Holding out for another good villain this season, but I won't hold my breath. But so far, I'm loving what I'm seeing.
With Kuvira, I hope the same comes as well, that there's some sort of complexity to her motivations. Especially after serving the Metal Clan during the Red Lotus event. Even Amon sort of had that complexity once we learned of his Noatak background.
Holding out for another good villain this season, but I won't hold my breath. But so far, I'm loving what I'm seeing.
I'm honestly expecting them to go this route but hope they don't for for something as "easy" as that. Wouldnt be surprised if they do because the series both Korra and ATLA never has been good with grey villains. Zuko doesn't count.
DiscoShark
Banned
I think it'll probably be something like Kuvira's fiance` dying that pushes her over the edge at some point, can't really think of any other reason why he'd be connected to the obvious antagonist of the season if not for being a trigger to set off the larger events of this season. Bonus points for being connected to Opal. I'm hoping for something along the lines of Kuvira willing to hear Korra's side out, seeing it fail in some spectacular fashion (maybe compounded by Korra's own weakness), then coming to the conclusion that the Avatar isn't a figure to be relied on and the only true way of addressing the world's larger failings is by uniting the larger world ... or at least the Earth Kingdom under her rule.
And she'd be right.
And she'd be right.
"Old" Korra would probably do exactly what Kuvira is doing right now. "My way or the highway". Fire-punching the crap out of anyone who causes trouble.
I hope we get a moment where Korra says something along the lines of, "I see your point, Kuvira, but you can't just force people to follow you." It would really show how much she has developed.
I think the Republic City president just wants the Earth Kingdom stabilized as soon as possible. It's never good to have a country that is in literal chaos as your neighbor. Putting a monarch back on the throne and keeping the status-quo is the "easy" way to do that. Plus, he's already on good terms with Prince Wu as opposed to the last Earth Queen.
I'm hoping the series ends with the Earth Kingdom not reverting back to a monarchy simply because Kuvira is a jerk.
Toph Bei Fong gets elected as Melon Lord of the Earth Republic, of course.
I hope we get a moment where Korra says something along the lines of, "I see your point, Kuvira, but you can't just force people to follow you." It would really show how much she has developed.
I think the Republic City president just wants the Earth Kingdom stabilized as soon as possible. It's never good to have a country that is in literal chaos as your neighbor. Putting a monarch back on the throne and keeping the status-quo is the "easy" way to do that. Plus, he's already on good terms with Prince Wu as opposed to the last Earth Queen.
I'm hoping the series ends with the Earth Kingdom not reverting back to a monarchy simply because Kuvira is a jerk.
Toph Bei Fong gets elected as Melon Lord of the Earth Republic, of course.
Yeah. I think the show could do better too. Reducing it to good vs bad just feels like low hanging fruit. But I have a bad feeling they will do this. The angle cuts to Kuvira and how they keep portraying her makes her look sinister. I was hoping with scenes with her fiancé they would show she's actually a normal person that isn't just out for power.
Edit: also I feel like crying. Started my chemo and im feeling awful. But it feels good to talk with you guys again.
If it weren't for the Unalaq thing, I'd say that it would be to obvious. I still think that she has the potential of being just very ruthless in being good. I mean, the earth kingdom needs stability and as I have said many times, she isn't actually conquering anything. She is reinforcing the central government after years of chaos. Albeit some aspects (swearing the lords on her name instead of Wu, camera pans) are pointing into the evil direction.
Stay strong, our hearts are with you.
Cloud Strife
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I really hope it isn't like Unulaq all over again, where he is obviously a villain but you hope the writing goes deeper/plotwist misleading you to think that. Now obviously Kuvira is being portrayed similarly, and obviously she's up to no good, but I really hope the good vs. bad cliches take the high road this time. The angryspiritKorra is pretty promising...
And yeah, the scene with her fiancee was better than any scenes Unualq ever had that tried to fool us into thinking he was normal.
I like how it's all being set up. What I mean is, the conflicting relationships that are being formed with this movement taking off. You have Bolin and Opal being pulled apart as Bolin believes in the cause he supports. You have Opals brother and Su and her family on differing sides. So when things get set off it's going to be really painful and the tension is going to be crazy. I like all the groundwork being set up. I hope they actually do something with it.
SilentMatthew
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We all know in our hearts of hearts that Kuvira is gonna veer away from grey morality. They might as well go full ham and redo the opening of "The Battle of Waterloo" as Kuvira's last scene : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmqRqY0RLg#t=1m49s
Between 1.50 to 9.00 minutes. Interpret which Marshal is part of Kuvira's officer corp as you will. Her fiancé is Ney from mine's.
Edit: Also, Wellington as Korra since both are as irrelevant at the moment of both possible scenarios because Welllington was nowhere near the 1814 battles in France and Korra was AWOL for half an year or whatever.
Between 1.50 to 9.00 minutes. Interpret which Marshal is part of Kuvira's officer corp as you will. Her fiancé is Ney from mine's.
Edit: Also, Wellington as Korra since both are as irrelevant at the moment of both possible scenarios because Welllington was nowhere near the 1814 battles in France and Korra was AWOL for half an year or whatever.
Septimus Prime
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Well, for one thing, there's lightning. If he wanted to, Mako could f Kuvira up really badly, considering how quickly he can generate lightning, how fast lightning travels, and how Kuvira is wearing metal armor. I'm sure he doesn't, though, since that's a kill move in this universe, plus, he isn't a main enough character to get the final shot on the final antagonist.
I kinda think they aren't hallucinations and are in fact the avatar spirit trying to get her attention (as it keeps leading her to places, and sometimes she goes in opposite direction to avoid it)
It's hard to tell since this show approaches spirits even from like an energy perspective. But yeah logically Mercury poisoning would explain that. It seems like spirits can sense bad energy from people, so I was confused whether the hallucinations were just her bad energy manifested (hence why the spirit saw it), or just a hallucination from the poison.
This is my guess.
I knew we were missing something.
That's right. Good. No need for to go just yet.
It's been a long time...Azula.
I didnt know the avatar spirit was a separate entity outside of being Ravaa.
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Could be Ravaa trying to get her attention?
Could be a different spirit entirely.
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