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[entremet]

Can't blame her, if she didn't feel safe then why hang around and make yourself a target.

She made the right call cancelling.



Agreed. If she want her work to be treated academically then she needs to either stop using other video content without permission or cite her sources.

Then again her video is mostly her own opinion, so I am not sure if her work can be viewed academically.

I just find it ethically questionable. She's doing her thesis a huge disservice doing so. I was really excited about the original KickStarter project and have found the most recent offerings pretty weak honestly.

I know its a two person show according to her interviews, but she's definitely over promised so far.

Don't give critics more ammo in an already contentious debate.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Absolutely ridiculous that they refused to even screen or segment attendees. That you have the right to have a gun on campus does not mean you have the right to never have anyone else know when you have a gun or to attend any event without consequence. At the very least they could have offered to mark or seat them in such a way that security would be aware and nearby. I probably wouldn't consider that enough but the offer would have been appreciated as opposed to them doing nothing.

And completely unsurprising that certain segments of Gaf bring out the usual crap.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Absolutely ridiculous that they refused to even screen or segment attendees. That you have the right to have a gun on campus does not mean you have the right to never have anyone else know when you have a gun or to attend any event without consequence. At the very least they could have offered to mark or seat them in such a way that security would be aware and nearby. I probably wouldn't consider that enough but the offer would have been appreciated as opposed to them doing nothing.

Actually a concealed weapons permit gives you the right to carry a gun without anyone knowing about it, that's exactly what it's for.

 

[li bur]

I got the impression that the police might be deliberately refuse to ban guns so sarkeesian would just cancel the speech and in turns removing all potential problems.

I don't know, I guess doing a scandal marathon isn't a very good idea after all.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ugh really? People are such assholes. If you disagree with her fine, you can bitch and moan all you want. Shit I disagree with a lot of her criticisms but do you really have to make death threats. Wtf??

 

[diehard]

Actually a concealed weapons permit gives you the right to carry a gun without anyone knowing about it, that's exactly what it's for.

It actually goes further than that, with a concealed weapon you aren't supposed to let people see it.

You can get in a lot of trouble for "brandishing" and easily lose your license.

 

[entremet]

Ugh really? People are such assholes. If you disagree with her fine, you can bitch and moan all you want. Shit I disagree with a lot of her criticisms but do you really have to make death threats. Wtf??

Sadly some wackos have gone to extreme measures with her specifically. I would just go incognito if I was her for safety reasons, but then that would mean the bullies won. I'm pretty torn.

 

[Cagey]

Thought this was about Steve Sarkisian because of OT.

But it isn't.

Same. I know USC is disappointing again, but I didn't think ChadBroChill17 and his bros would take their disappointment to death threat levels. Maybe they would threaten to downgrade the Skeeter Tap the Top Memorial Kegger to a Natty Light affair, but not that.

Now I know who this Anita Sarkessian person is.

 

[Stinkles]

So the main reason for concealed carry, as far as I understand it, is personal defense, a job function (security) and then, presumably quite far down, convenience. It's almost all pistols anyway. I guess I am confused as to the logic tree then - your right to defend yourself, one person, supersedes the need to ensure the safety of a big crowd?

Spock would be outraged!


I have no issue with personal carry but I had simply assumed there could be rational exceptions (private property of course) for simple common sense safety reasons. Mass shootings in the US are a very common event. SO it's hardly paranoid to take the threat of one seriously.

I can't think of a single gun owner I know who would object to a pat-down in this circumstance, or simply not attend.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Sadly some wackos have gone to extreme measures with her specifically. I would just go incognito if I was her for safety reasons, but then that would mean the bullies won. I'm pretty torn.

A society that lets this shit rock is a failure

Really nothing to be torn about

 

[crowphoenix]

Sadly some wackos have gone to extreme measures with her specifically. I would just go incognito if I was her for safety reasons, but then that would mean the bullies won. I'm pretty torn.

If they are targeting people around her, they likely feel that she isn't going back down to protect herself.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

If its a law enforcement secured area then they can restrict you from entering while carrying. Furthermore, I see no reason why they could not screen to identify and segment, but not reject, such carriers with a metal detector even if they didn't want to legally establish the area as a secure zone.

 

[Brakke]

So the main reason for concealed carry, as far as I understand it, is personal defense, a job function (security) and then, presumably quite far down, convenience. It's almost all pistols anyway. I guess I am confused as to the logic tree then - your right to defend yourself, one person, supersedes the need to ensure the safety of a big crowd?

I think part of the claim is that the presence of concealed carry policies should discourage crime because any given room could have one or more people packing so crooks wouldn't risk it.

Which effect has proven at best extremely weak. It's like trickle down economics. Yeah, there's some sound theory there, we can build a model in which the policy makes sense... But our world doesn't match that model.

 

[KingGondo]

I have no issue with personal carry but I had simply assumed there could be rational exceptions (private property of course) for simple common sense safety reasons. Mass shootings in the US are a very common event. SO it's hardly paranoid to take the threat of one seriously.

The bolded concepts are incompatible with the demands of the gun lobby in America today.

 

[Yoritomo]

So the police wouldn't screen for weapons at all? Or just wouldn't disarm CCW permitted carriers if they did a weapons screening?

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

If its a law enforcement secured area then they can restrict you from entering while carrying. Furthermore, I see no reason why they could not screen to identify and segment, but not reject, such carriers with a metal detector even if they didn't want to legally establish the area as a secure zone.

Are your suggestions compatible with this law?
http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE53/htm/53_05a010200.htm

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Are your suggestions compatible with this law?
http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE53/htm/53_05a010200.htm

You can read Utah's FAQ here, which includes a mention of law enforcement and secured zones. And yes I do think such screening would be in keeping with the law because it does not prohibit or inhibit use or carrying, it merely allows for security to be aware of said carrying (assuming they did not establish a secured zone to restrict all carrying).

That said, I am not surprised that Utah law enforcement did nothing as the Utah courts probably have a very absolutist position regarding the law, so they likely err on the side of caution by doing nothing that might provoke a lawsuit (even if their actions might have merit).

 

[NimbusD]

The funny thing about those who don't want Anita to give a speech is they claim to defend free speech and are supposedly fighting against censorship, not realizing that what Anita does is simply criticize video games for problematic representation of women exercising her right to free speech and here we have those gamergate bullies actually censoring her right to free speech with death threats, the irony of it hurts and infuriates me.

Not only that, it's just insane the amount of frothing blind hatred it produces. Even if she's just wrong about everything she ever said, at best it should be mildly annoying. It's insane and very sad.

 

[Deified Data]

I can't imagine how sick and/or bored you must be to threaten someone's life over something as inane as a YT video.

 

[Yoritomo]

I can't imagine how sick and/or bored you must be to threaten someone's life over something as inane as a YT video.

They wanted to get the speech cancelled. It worked. Hopefully they're caught, but it'll end up being some 15 year old kid.

 

[Two Words]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...esian-cancels-utah-speech-20141014-story.html



I think this is kinda nuts there. One of the tweets expressed my thought that apparently Right to 2nd Amendment trumped over the Right to the 1st Amendment.

Her freedom of speech is not being stopped by the government. It's probably a tricky spot since police likely don't have the authority. I'm not sure how well the president of "death threat = nobody can carry a gun here" would go either.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

They wanted to get the speech cancelled. It worked. Hopefully they're caught, but it'll end up being some 15 year old kid.

Her most vocal and visible detractors are chronological adults

 

[Yoritomo]

Her most vocal and visible detractors are chronological adults

Part of me wishes you hadn't told me that. That's depressing.

 

[Cat Party]

I've never heard of open carry laws preventing law enforcement from screening for weapons. This can't be a universal policy.

 

[Zoe]

I've never heard of open carry laws preventing law enforcement from screening for weapons. This can't be a universal policy.

I still don't see what open carry even has to do with it. They're allowed to conceal carry.

 

[Ravensmash]

God gamergate is such a fucking embarrassment to gaming culture.

Really disgusting shit they're doing.

Read about this news from a non gaming focused source and felt the exact same.

As an industry, there is a lot of maturing that needs to be done.

 

[ldcommando]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

 

[riotous]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

You will never find me.. I go to school here.. feminists have ruined my life..

Check for records of males at the school accused of rape perhaps?

 

[remist]

You can read Utah's FAQ here, which includes a mention of law enforcement and secured zones. And yes I do think such screening would be in keeping with the law because it does not prohibit or inhibit use or carrying, it merely allows for security to be aware of said carrying (assuming they did not establish a secured zone to restrict all carrying).

That said, I am not surprised that Utah law enforcement did nothing as the Utah courts probably have a very absolutist position regarding the law, so they likely err on the side of caution by doing nothing that might provoke a lawsuit (even if their actions might have merit).

See this and this Utah state law specifically limits higher education facilities to only one secure area for disciplinary hearings. They are not allowed to established secure areas in other locations on campus.

 

[NH Apache]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

Christ. Guaranteed that the dude does not attend the school. More likely, he isn't even in the US.

Marc Lepine was scum too.

 

[Bacon]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

"Craven little whore"

Dude must have just finished reading game of thrones.

Anyone who can even write this out is completely fucked in the head. I hope he is found.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

There's some mass delusion in this thread.

 

[Purple Cheeto]

Thought this was about Steve Sarkisian because of OT.

But it isn't.

To be fair he is a lousy coach, but he's still able to show up and do his job in front of 70k+ people without fear of being shot.

 

[entremet]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

Sighs

Marc Lepine? Seriously?

 

[Lambtron]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

Reading this made me sick to my stomach. I'm quite aware of how awful MRAs, etc. are, but I guess I never considered that there were people who looked up to Marc Lepine. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[alfredofroylan]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

"A hero to men everywhere"? Yeah sure kid, sure.

 

[The Librarian]

Stupid gun laws and stupid people.

That's a real shame.

 

[Buzzati]

Don't blame her. People who send death threats over video game opinions are among the least likely to be well-adjusted gun owners. Hell, I wouldn't trust some of my neighbors with firearms, let alone these goobers.

 

[KingGondo]

There's some mass delusion in this thread.

You do realize that this is a worthless contribution, right? The worst kind of drive-by posting.

 

[chaosaeon]

Threatening a mass shooting ... I know you can't change the law but come on if someone's making threats like that, don't allow weapons to that event ffs. smh, I'm not sure on all the details but it was an email right ? How easy is it to track that email and arrest the nutjob who sent it ? People are just going to keep doing things like this because there never seems to be any repercussions. Every time this happens no one gets arrested. If you called in a threat like that on the phone cops would zero in on your number or something and that'd be that. How does it work with things like emails and tweets ? People keep making threats to various people online and always seem to get away with it. Is it that hard to bring people in for this stuff ?

Edit : just read the pic of the message. Seriously, this person does not seem mentally sound, and if they actually have the weapons they claim to, it sounds like they're going to do something at some point regardless of the outcome of this. They need to be arrested as soon as possible.

 

[Earthstrike]

I agree with the policy. Public figures receive threats constantly via social media. They mostly come from foreign users who pose no threat to the person. Restricting constitutional rights based on such idiocy is not the way to go. I don't want law abiding citizens to be targeted with invasive measures just because we have a bunch of internet tough guys writing messages to some random woman.

If she doesn't feel safe, then give the speech via Skype or co-ordinate with the local authorities if she believes the threat is real.

I believe she already attempted that.

 

[chancellor]

Surely it is common sense that if someone has received death threats for a speech then no-one with a gun should be allowed into the auditorium.

 

[The Librarian]

Surely it is common sense that if someone has received death threats for a speech then no-one with a gun should be allowed into the auditorium.

Yes, but the second amendment!

 

[The Technomancer]

the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.

The most awful part about this is that I'm pretty 99% sure that nothing would have happened. And yet...you still can't go forth, because you just can't run the risk that this one time the threat might actually be real. Its the most cowardly form of intimidation, making bluffs that you know they can't risk calling

 

[Jailer of Hope]

Surely it is common sense that if someone has received death threats for a speech then no-one with a gun should be allowed into the auditorium.

The problem is the threat doesn't seem limited to just the venue and attendees. What's to stop him from just having at it?

 

[Yopis]

Don't agree with much coming from Anita but she should be allowed ti give her presentation. Always gonna be somebody trying to ruin things.

 

[eznark]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...esian-cancels-utah-speech-20141014-story.html



I think this is kinda nuts there. One of the tweets expressed my thought that apparently Right to 2nd Amendment trumped over the Right to the 1st Amendment.

Really?

 

[stufte]

Surely it is common sense that if someone has received death threats for a speech then no-one with a gun should be allowed into the auditorium.

Because simply not allowing guns has stopped crazy people from hurting others in the past...

 

[commedieu]

Ugh really? People are such assholes. If you disagree with her fine, you can bitch and moan all you want. Shit I disagree with a lot of her criticisms but do you really have to make death threats. Wtf??

I think that Reddit He-Man No-MAAM club or what not is probably going to end up killing a woman. I don't know if it started on reddit, so i'm not meaning to lump them in. But there is a lot of vitriol towards this situation, and it doesn't seem like its coming from balanced people. Like that kid that shot up all those people at the college because they were couples, or what not.

They seem upset at women in games...

its weird.

 

[ICKE]

Because simply not allowing guns has stopped crazy people from hurting others in the past...

And lets say for a moment that this threat is real (has substance behind it). Screening for firearms during one speech is not going to stop him from inflicting maximum amount of casualties with rifles, pistols and pipe bombs later on. I'd rather take my chances with a firearm of my own in a similar environment.