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[ChoklitCow]

I brought this up today in a class I teach because we were discussing the Twitter responses to the University of Illinois Chancellor when the university did not cancel classes during poor weather last year. Their were quite a few parallels that we reviewed.

Surprisingly, out of a small class a good portion of them were aware of #gamergate, with all of them knowing the recent Utah State incident. I spend so much of my free time reading about, discussing, and playing games that I generally still think of it as a small niche. The fact many of these non-gamers were aware of the current discourse was enlightening.

 

[Mael]

Oh man, I can see how that would be confusing. Stop Guilty Gear 2014 XD

I can see it already
#StopGuiltyGear2014 - Capcom
or something...

 

[JackDT]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

I don't understand how this still exists. I don't understand how people think lashing out at the "SJW" boogeyman constitutes a fucking movement, let alone has anything to do with ethics or journalism.

 

[Corpekata]

Am I alone in saying that before this blew up I had never even heard of these guys? Is it just ignorance on my part, or is it impossible to believe that TB and others just as easily could have not heard of them either before, and thus think they aren't important? I still barely know who they are and why everyone is fucking yelling their head off about them, I guess I can understand Milo since he's a writer on Breitbart, but I still don't even know who InternetAristocrat or what makes him special, besides that he looks like a smug asshole in his pictures.

What does fame have to do with much of anything? TB's initial thoughts were about the Quinn allegations raised in IA's videos, so he had to have watched the video(s). That's my point. He'll openly consider the rumors in that video but won't take issues with the way the video is presented by IA, even though anyone that's taking a "neutral" stance should've had their bullshit detector going off like crazy.

 

[NoCryingUntilTheEnd]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

Dammit, they were so close! Why couldn't they just say, "Fellow GamerGaters: Buy Bayonetta 2 to shove it in Polygon's faces!" So close to a good cause.

 

[Nanashrew]

Yeah, it's just an odd change. I'm not trying to say you're a slacktivist---quite the opposite, I think in this case there really IS a social justice issue that needs to be addressed.

I mean, I remember the threads on SomethingAwful about the SJW---and mind you, SomethingAwful despite its reputation is quite progressive, even more than NeoGAF I'd say in some aspects---used the term all the time, and it was never in reference to a legitimate feminist like Anita, it was always referencing people like the person who created the "Ark Project", and others who just screamed about change but never did anything and just attacked others. In a way, the members of GamerGate ARE basically the same type of Social Justice Warriors, they don't care about justice, they just like fighting.

I remember they brought up some story about one of their targets insulting a transperson---as a way to condemn them. But the ridiculous part was, I KNOW that none of them actually cared about the person who was insulted, they just wanted some dirt on their enemy. And I've never seen a positive comment about a transperson on 4chan, so I know the large majority of them probably even agreed with the insult. That was the moment that I knew they didn't care

You and me share the same sentiments. I tried to bring some of that up last month http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130869122&postcount=5019

But yeah, I am completely okay with taking the word if it's going to be used to generalize good people who fight for social justice and want change and progression in society. I'll take it and make it my own.

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

That wasn't rushed, it just seems like Alexander's style. On the rest, I had a post outlining the articles. Of those, Alexander and non-gaming outlets were the most "mean".

So once again... why is this attributed to the gaming press?

Frank does seem to be heavy on that warpath...

Besides Alexander's, I see the articles from Polygon and Destructoid as rushed to release. I will say they were well written and personally I have no issue with them, but they were released right in the middle of the issue, when people that were already angry could and did easily misinterpret things as attacks on them. Because of the nature of the internet, articles like these are read fast and are reacted to fast, writers should anticipate that and actually think "How could someone skimming over this article misinterpret this." Of course the writers don't want people to skim it, that won't stop them. They'll read through it quickly and only pick out the parts that stick out to them, and when they're angry, they'll obviously pick out that parts that could be seen as offensive towards them. Do I think the media should have completely ignored Gamergate while it was going on? No, not all, I just think that they could easily use a bit more tact. Say what you will about Kotaku, but I rather like their article on the subject, where they explicitly said in bold that they were not insulting gamers. Is it pandering to the lowest common denominator? Yes, but you need to do that when dealing with an ongoing internet issue because that lowest common denominator is going to be the loudest.

 

[plagiarize]

What I am saying is that character assassinations are allowed if the target is seen as fair game ideologically speaking. Baldwin has been called <insertcurseword> but if you do the same for someone like Sarkeesian, then words have consequences. The same dynamic exists elsewhere but is not enforced via moderators but a mob of sorts who will attack you if you are on the wrong side of the culture war.

And TB has received a lot of criticism even though he has tried to avoid political discussions in his videos.

Again with the talk of 'sides'. This isn't a culture war. It's people who are pro diversity and pro inclusiveness butting heads with people are pushing an anti feminist agenda but trying to pretend they aren't.

In an election, you can choose not to vote, but you don't get to 'sit it out'. Refusing to take a position in such instances *IS* taking a position. TB wants to be able to talk about this stuff without being judged for his opinions. Tough.

If you think people have broken the terms of service, highlight where. Insulting a public figure for being an idiot is allowed here on NeoGAF, but misogynistic hate speech is not. I don't know the examples you're talking alluding to of course, but it all stinks of false equivalence.

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

This is a thing? Seriously...? Isn't the whole point of review sites to have many views and opinions. You won't agree with all opinions and hey, that's fine if you like, but this is too much, I think.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

But, as I generally like to post in regards to him, let's not forget that totalbiscuit is a law graduate with an IQ of 155.

E-excuse me but ... Is that forum's font Comic sans?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

Ahahaha. That image is amazing.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Dammit, they were so close! Why couldn't they just say, "Fellow GamerGaters: Buy Bayonetta 2 to shove it in Polygon's faces!" So close to a good cause.

Damnit.

I really want to buy Bayonetta---I just played DMC and loved it---and I want to support Platinum so we could possibly see a W101 sequel, but I've always been a bit anxious about it because of how in-your-face it is, it honestly makes me uncomfortable, and now that it's being held up as a flag for GamerGate, I am even more unlikely to buy it.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

What I am saying is that character assassinations are allowed if the target is seen as fair game ideologically speaking. Baldwin has been called <insertcurseword> but if you do the same for someone like Sarkeesian, then words have consequences. The same dynamic exists elsewhere but is not enforced via moderators but a mob of sorts who will attack you if you are on the wrong side of the culture war.

And TB has received a lot of criticism even though he has tried to avoid political discussions in his videos.

Baldwin is a documented racist and misogynist so I feel comfortable calling him whatever insult pops into my head

 

[Shadow Hog]

E-excuse me but ... Is that forum's font Comic sans?

It's the Comedy Gas Chamber. Think of it as Something Awful's "Trash" forum, where threads get sent in lieu of deletion, and it might make more sense.

 

[Lime]

Like I said, unreasonable in the sense that people outside of an issue are being painted with the most extreme actions (not even ideas) of that movement, and being told they must react, and when they react by decrying the extremism, they're mocked for not agreeing with a forgone conclusion.

It's not about "commenting" on something just for the sake of commenting, but about commenting on it in a proper and proportionate manner. In this case, PA could have done a better job at denouncing GG and signal to its fanbase that it's a hate movement that aims to push out women and different voices in the games industry and culture.

Cifaldi might be a bit hyperbolic in his rhetorics, but I can understand his frustration when we are well into Month number 2 with this bullshit.

 

[plagiarize]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

I'd love to know where this originated to understand how closely tied to GamerGate it is. It's so blatantly their real agenda and so tenuously linked to the apparent agenda to seem just one step away from spoof.

I don't think it's spoof, but I want to be sure before I fully respond.

 

[charlequin]

Like I said, unreasonable in the sense that people outside of an issue are being painted with the most extreme actions (not even ideas) of that movement, and being told they must react

Penny Arcade are being told they need to react because a) they are significant tastemakers in the industry so they have a general responsibility to push back about this kind of thing, and b) they were significant contributors to the particular current of misogynist gamer insularity that helped feed gamergate in the first place, which makes them specifically responsible to combat its negative effects as well.

I will say they were well written and personally I have no issue with them, but they were released right in the middle of the issue, when people that were already angry could and did easily misinterpret things as attacks on them. Because of the nature of the internet, articles like these are read fast and are reacted to fast, writers should anticipate that and actually think "How could someone skimming over this article misinterpret this."

You know, I really don't think society is better off if journalists always stop and think about how what they write will be taken by the most ignorant and least literate people who read it.

 

[riotous]

Aside from the obvious hypocrisy of their outcry over Bayonetta 2...

I love all of the "instructional" memes/images the GG'ers are spreading around.

Especially that one about protesting Borderlands.. it was like "Let them hear YOUR voice. Tell them how YOU feel. Here's how YOU feel: Here are more links to how YOU feel in case YOU are having trouble coming up with the words:"

 

[andymcc]

"Cut the outlet that still gave the game a good score out of the equation. Show them what it feels like to deviate from the journalist collusion we feel is happening with similar reviews and commentary"

 

[Morrigan Stark]

"Cut the outlet that still gave the game a good score out of the equation. Show them what it feels like to deviate from the journalist collusion we feel is happening with similar reviews and commentary"

ETHICS IN JOURNALISM

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

E-excuse me but ... Is that forum's font Comic sans?

The horror....

Damnit.

I really want to buy Bayonetta---I just played DMC and loved it---and I want to support Platinum so we could possibly see a W101 sequel, but I've always been a bit anxious about it because of how in-your-face it is, it honestly makes me uncomfortable, and now that it's being held up as a flag for GamerGate, I am even more unlikely to buy it.

You're your own person and deserve to have your own priorities. Is it over the top? Yes. Is it a bit objectifying? Yes. Is it an amazing game gameplay-wise? Yes. Should you support Platinum Games? Yes.

Personally, I will still buy it because Platinum didn't want to be part of this whole scandal I'm sure, and honestly I really want to play a solid action game and support talented developers. What I won't be doing however is filling out the dang survey like that, because that is stupid.

 

[plagiarize]

The horror....


You're your own person and deserve to have your own priorities. Is it over the top? Yes. Is it a bit objectifying? Yes. Is it an amazing game gameplay-wise? Yes. Should you support Platinum Games? Yes.

Personally, I will still buy it because Platinum didn't want to be part of this whole scandal I'm sure, and honestly I really want to play a solid action game and support talented developers. What I won't be doing however is filling out the dang survey like that, because that is stupid.

you could fill out the survey and say that you were influenced to buy the game because you saw adverts on Polygon.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

E-excuse me but ... Is that forum's font Comic sans?

That's Something Awful's forum where they put really bad posts and laugh at them for all eternity. The Comic Sans font is part of the joke.

 

[JackDT]

Damnit.

I really want to buy Bayonetta---I just played DMC and loved it---and I want to support Platinum so we could possibly see a W101 sequel, but I've always been a bit anxious about it because of how in-your-face it is, it honestly makes me uncomfortable, and now that it's being held up as a flag for GamerGate, I am even more unlikely to buy it.

Plenty of different people have different opinions, not buying it just to spite gamergate would be silly. Hell Brianna Wu who is practically the antichrist to gamergate has been talking about how much she loves the game.

 

[Lime]

We might be talking a lot about the harassers and this movement, but what about supporting the victims? Shouldn't we have a quality of life discussion centered around the people going through the harassment?

 

[NoCryingUntilTheEnd]

Damnit.

I really want to buy Bayonetta---I just played DMC and loved it---and I want to support Platinum so we could possibly see a W101 sequel, but I've always been a bit anxious about it because of how in-your-face it is, it honestly makes me uncomfortable, and now that it's being held up as a flag for GamerGate, I am even more unlikely to buy it.

If the sex bomb that is Bayonetta makes you feel uncomfortable, then don't purchase it. There are many other great games out there for you to play.

With that being said, if you haven't played it at all, I'd suggest at least trying a demo or something so you can truly judge how bad it is whilst playing.

 

[Orayn]

"Cut the outlet that still gave the game a good score out of the equation. Show them what it feels like to deviate from the journalist collusion we feel is happening with similar reviews and commentary"

Look, journos just need to give every game the score GG wants for the reasons GG wants and there won't be any a problem, okay? What is so complicated about this? It's ETHICS!

 

[Steve Youngblood]

"Cut the outlet that still gave the game a good score out of the equation. Show them what it feels like to deviate from the journalist collusion we feel is happening with similar reviews and commentary"

I'm less interested with whether or not this outcome makes any sense in terms of achieving any meaningful goals related to ethics in journalism and more interested in laughing at just how idiotic that plan actually is. Badmouthing Polygon on Club Nintendo surveys!? Wow...

 

[JackDT]

I'd love to know where this originated to understand how closely tied to GamerGate it is. It's so blatantly their real agenda and so tenuously linked to the apparent agenda to seem just one step away from spoof.

I don't think it's spoof, but I want to be sure before I fully respond.

I saw it here: https://twitter.com/PixieJenni/status/522486272305410049

I do not know where it originated. There are a fair amount of comments in that discussion who say it's just consumer feedback and not a problem.

 

[jstripes]

Aside from the obvious hypocrisy of their outcry over Bayonetta 2...

I love all of the "instructional" memes/images the GG'ers are spreading around.

Especially that one about protesting Borderlands.. it was like "Let them hear YOUR voice. Tell them how YOU feel. Here's how YOU feel: Here are more links to how YOU feel in case YOU are having trouble coming up with the words:"

Just like right wing talk radio.

 

[Mael]

I'm less interested with whether or not this outcome makes any sense in terms of achieving any meaningful goals related to ethics in journalism and more interested in laughing at just how idiotic that plan actually is. Badmouthing Polygon on Club Nintendo surveys!? Wow...

Well it's slightly more effective than a Miiverse campaign I'd say.
Though good luck not getting banned from there with the hatespeech.

 

[Oersted]

We might be talking a lot about the harassers and this movement, but what about supporting the victims? Shouldn't we have a quality of life discussion centered around the people going through the harassment?

Could you elaborate?

 

[besada]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

Yeah, some of the tactics used by some gamergate followers are bizarrely what they've always complained about. SJWs didn't boycott a gaming site because it wouldn't run what they wanted, but #GG has done that. SJWs didn't start a movement to boycott a game because they disagreed with its politics, but #GG has done that.

I think there are probably some genuine souls in the #gg collective, that are primarily concerned with gaming journalism, but they have been wildly overshouted by the people more concerned with shutting up anyone who wants to mention inclusion, representation, or anything that might impact the hobby they think of as "theirs."

It's unfortunate, because I think there's plenty of room to discuss the gaming press, which is in this weird position of transitioning from a purely enthusiast press to a trade press. It's still forming, and there are bound to be failures of policy, as well of failures of intent.

But to get there, you have to deal with what #gg has wrought, which is a firestorm of ugliness, and it sits at the heart of it still. So long as you can go to 8chan and Reddit and see that ugliness in the day to day threads of #gamergaters, no one is going to take the movement seriously. Until the movement reorganizes, until it has actual demands that can be discussed, until there's some minor consideration that gaming journalism is a business, not a holy calling, and that we're consumers, not the anointed children of the vidya, it's not going to go anywhere that's useful to anyone that's not a scumbag.

 

[Corto]

Aside from the obvious hypocrisy of their outcry over Bayonetta 2...

I love all of the "instructional" memes/images the GG'ers are spreading around.

Especially that one about protesting Borderlands.. it was like "Let them hear YOUR voice. Tell them how YOU feel. Here's how YOU feel: Here are more links to how YOU feel in case YOU are having trouble coming up with the words:"

 

[ShockingAlberto]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

I guarantee you Treehouse people are laughing their asses off about this.

 

[plagiarize]

Yeah, some of the tactics used by some gamergate followers are bizarrely what they've always complained about. SJWs didn't boycott a gaming site because it wouldn't run what they wanted, but #GG has done that. SJWs didn't start a movement to boycott a game because they disagreed with its politics, but #GG has done that.

I think there are probably some genuine souls in the #gg collective, that are primarily concerned with gaming journalism, but they have been wildly overshouted by the people more concerned with shutting up anyone who wants to mention inclusion, representation, or anything that might impact the hobby they think of as "theirs."

It's unfortunate, because I think there's plenty of room to discuss the gaming press, which is in this weird position of transitioning from a purely enthusiast press to a trade press. It's still forming, and there are bound to be failures of policy, as well of failures of intent.

But to get there, you have to deal with what #gg has wrought, which is a firestorm of ugliness, and it sits at the heart of it still. So long as you can go to 8chan and Reddit and see that ugliness in the day to day threads of #gamergaters, no one is going to take the movement seriously. Until the movement reorganizes, until it has actual demands that can be discussed, until there's some minor consideration that gaming journalism is a business, not a holy calling, and that we're consumers, not the anointed children of the vidya, it's not going to go anywhere that's useful to anyone that's not a scumbag.

If the genuine people got together and started their own campaigns about real issues, rather than hopping on board a campaign that was started by anti feminists, they'd probably have a lot more luck.

 

[kmax]

Okay, so I've literally been out of the loop throughout this whole fiasco, but I came across this thread and have been educating myself on this for the past hour through the links provided in the op and various videos

All I can say is this: holy fucking shit.

 

[jstripes]

Yeah, some of the tactics used by some gamergate followers are bizarrely what they've always complained about. SJWs didn't boycott a gaming site because it wouldn't run what they wanted, but #GG has done that. SJWs didn't start a movement to boycott a game because they disagreed with its politics, but #GG has done that.

I think there are probably some genuine souls in the #gg collective, that are primarily concerned with gaming journalism, but they have been wildly overshouted by the people more concerned with shutting up anyone who wants to mention inclusion, representation, or anything that might impact the hobby they think of as "theirs."

It's unfortunate, because I think there's plenty of room to discuss the gaming press, which is in this weird position of transitioning from a purely enthusiast press to a trade press. It's still forming, and there are bound to be failures of policy, as well of failures of intent.

But to get there, you have to deal with what #gg has wrought, which is a firestorm of ugliness, and it sits at the heart of it still. So long as you can go to 8chan and Reddit and see that ugliness in the day to day threads of #gamergaters, no one is going to take the movement seriously. Until the movement reorganizes, until it has actual demands that can be discussed, until there's some minor consideration that gaming journalism is a business, not a holy calling, and that we're consumers, not the anointed children of the vidya, it's not going to go anywhere that's useful to anyone that's not a scumbag.

That's why I've said, for the purposes of people who truly believe in journalistic ethics, #GamerGate is a completely lost cause.

Jumping on the bandwagon without looking at who was driving it was the dumbest thing possible. They're better off waiting for the dust to settle, and then start fresh.

They'd also better look in their hearts and be sure their goal is clear, with no lingering reactionary taint to it.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

 

[Jim Sterling]

As someone who has been blacklisted over reviews scores and for having an opinion, the motive of that Bayonetta 2 "operation," not to mention any similar motives dedicated to encouraging the blacklisting of sites for critical writing, is the absolute antithesis of what I'd consider decent. That's some professionally offensive shit.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

If the genuine people got together and started their own campaigns about real issues, rather than hopping on board a campaign that was started by anti feminists, they'd probably have a lot more luck.

The problem is that they don't believe it's a group started and run by anti-feminists because the anti-feminists have told them it's not.

This is a case where the wrong people got to them first and said the right things. Now the truth can't actually reach them until they realize it for themselves.

 

[Cybit]

Cifaldi is criticing that PA's statement wasn't particularly worthwhile and didn't send a strong enough message that GG is a hate campaign and everyone should back away from it - instead, it was stating something obvious to the point of a platitude that everyone agrees on: "threats/murder are wrong".

It's especially troubling when these guys are the ones benefitting from the status quo and can easily just sit back and enjoy their money, power, and attention, while others fear for their safety and can't even exist in video games because of their identity.

I feel like the people decrying the PA statement are willfully ignoring the actual content of his post in order to stay in their closed shell of "PA is bad!!!". Even though they hired Ben Kuchera as the person they believed could bring good Games Journalism. You know, that same Ben Kuchera everyone accuses of being too liberal and too feminist.

Let's review, shall we

"You can’t threaten people with death, and I resent very strongly being made to type that out. Not only can you not do that because you can’t fucking do it, it has the power to obliterate everything else you say. In fact, it obliterates everything the people around you are trying to say. That’s what has happened now. I know that this situation is more complex than anyone is willing to enunciate. I know that “Gaming Journalism” is a contradiction in terms. But they've broken your banner, now, and you helped them do it. I grieve for the ones who tried to do it right. When your media doesn't represent you, or actively attacks you as it has here, it’s not your media. You’ll have to make your own, and it’s not impossible. It’s more possible now than it has ever been in human history, and you’re reading an example of it at this moment. Go your own way.

Emphasis added by me.

A lot of this thread has been about people telling the folks who were ostensibly tied to GamerGate over the ethical journalism part that they can't redeem that aspect of GamerGate with the death threats & crazysauce aspect. In fact, by trying to do so, you are passively encouraging the crazier aspects of GG. That's what everyone has been trying to tell the "moderate"? folks in GG. That if you want to talk games journalism; you need to do it on separate terms.

That's exactly what Tycho says. Right there. In no uncertain terms.

But because its' PA, and people are still upset about earlier items, and damnit my worldview is right no matter what and PA is the worstest - they can do no right.

 

[MYeager]

I'm less interested with whether or not this outcome makes any sense in terms of achieving any meaningful goals related to ethics in journalism and more interested in laughing at just how idiotic that plan actually is. Badmouthing Polygon on Club Nintendo surveys!? Wow...

They should really call the Nintendo tip line if they want to speak with someone in charge. Those guys helped me with Mario 3, I'm sure they can help here.

 

[JC Sera]

But, as I generally like to post in regards to him, let's not forget that totalbiscuit is a law graduate with an IQ of 155.

Ok so I accept that TB is being an ass and p.much saying not my problem to a lot of this shit fest and giving it false equivalence
(he is also just recovering from anal cancer and is on a fair few drugs so I take a lot of what he is saying with a grain of salt)

But theres no need to bring up a man's asshole atheist phase from 7 years ago

Spoiler

God I'm so glad I didn't post on the internet during my one reading this

 

[Neoriceisgood]

That's Something Awful's forum where they put really bad posts and laugh at them for all eternity. The Comic Sans font is part of the joke.

I will say comic sans is a natural fit fot Total Biscuit's posts.

 

[plagiarize]

Yeah, some of the tactics used by some gamergate followers are bizarrely what they've always complained about. SJWs didn't boycott a gaming site because it wouldn't run what they wanted, but #GG has done that. SJWs didn't start a movement to boycott a game because they disagreed with its politics, but #GG has done that.

I think there are probably some genuine souls in the #gg collective, that are primarily concerned with gaming journalism, but they have been wildly overshouted by the people more concerned with shutting up anyone who wants to mention inclusion, representation, or anything that might impact the hobby they think of as "theirs."

It's unfortunate, because I think there's plenty of room to discuss the gaming press, which is in this weird position of transitioning from a purely enthusiast press to a trade press. It's still forming, and there are bound to be failures of policy, as well of failures of intent.

But to get there, you have to deal with what #gg has wrought, which is a firestorm of ugliness, and it sits at the heart of it still. So long as you can go to 8chan and Reddit and see that ugliness in the day to day threads of #gamergaters, no one is going to take the movement seriously. Until the movement reorganizes, until it has actual demands that can be discussed, until there's some minor consideration that gaming journalism is a business, not a holy calling, and that we're consumers, not the anointed children of the vidya, it's not going to go anywhere that's useful to anyone that's not a scumbag.

more thoughts.

At a glance, GamerGate is unfocussed and not sure what the heck it's trying to do.
At a closer look, GamerGate is clearly focused on one very clear goal that has nothing to do with journalistic integrity.
At a second look, it's obvious why GamerGate are too embarrassed to openly stand behind their real goal.

 

[Lime]

Could you elaborate?

I'm just wondering if we are overlooking the victims in our discussion and broader culture of video games. Obviously we are denouncing the harassers and talking about the goals of the movement and so on, but it also seems like we aren't talking about how to best help the public victims throughout this ordeal. Like, how do we ensure quality of life for all those affected by Gamergate? How can we help them in any way? This is a focus that seems to be overlooked I think.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Ok so I accept that TB is being an ass and p.much saying not my problem to a lot of this shit fest and giving it false equivalence
(he is also just recovering from anal cancer and is on a fair few drugs so I take a lot of what he is saying with a grain of salt)

But theres no need to bring up a man's asshole atheist phase from 7 years ago

Spoiler

God I'm so glad I didn't post on the internet during my one reading this

I think he's actually speaking up against Atheism there? Right? I can't really tell...

 

[Neoriceisgood]

There's 3 schools of GG thought from what I can gather:

The "Radgaters" who believe in the holy ritual of death threats.

The "Realgaters" who believe in fighting corruption*.

The "Notallgaters" who believe above all in the sanctity of gamergate.

All three are not mutually exclusive and may declare themselves or others "not real gaters" at any and all times.

*(a recent and obscure synonym for "Feminists")