Lol, indeed they do.
Microsoft: Xbox One leading sales in US since price cut, nearly 10 million sold-in
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Lol, indeed they do.
That is an interesting point. Presumably they'll have shipped in now for the holidays, so if they don't sell out and need to replenish, it could be well into spring before they actually get to 10m shipped.
The guy does have a point.
PS4 is at 781k in Japan right now, while Xbone is at 35k. Sony might not sell 1 million until December, but are pretty close. PS4 needs a good Japanese game to boost it further.
Or maybe summer? Or autumn? Nobody will buy an XB1 in the first or even second quarter of 2015. Even with an official pricedrop to $299, the deals right now and for black friday are still better.
Game wise it will be a slow half year and even if there are some games coming out, are they really the games people wait for and not buy an XB1 right now?
It probably won't be that bad, but XB1 oustelling PS4 in Nov/Dec in the US (if it does) will be a pyrrhic victory.
WolfForager
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Would someone mind clearing something up for me?
Is "Shipped" = "Sold In", or is "Shipped"="Actually physically left the Sony/MS warehouse and on the way to retailers" and "Sold In = Ordered by retailers but not necessarily manufactured or shipped yet".
Competition is good though, it's the reason we now have things like PS+ and Games with Gold etc.
Is "Shipped" = "Sold In", or is "Shipped"="Actually physically left the Sony/MS warehouse and on the way to retailers" and "Sold In = Ordered by retailers but not necessarily manufactured or shipped yet".
Competition is good though, it's the reason we now have things like PS+ and Games with Gold etc.
alexandros
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You serioulsy expect ethics from these multinational big companies? It seems us gamers have really short memories.
El-Pistolero
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Thing is, they shipped around 1.8m~ units last Q, none of which included these new bundles. Now they're shortly arriving at another 2.5m~.
Mark my words, they'll be shipping around 4.5m~ units just like 360 did in first 2 holidays.
Yes?
What kind of question is that?
Perhaps that's why he and others don't feel like forking money over to MS and the like.
They most certainly did.
alexandros
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I don't think he does. I always assumed it was understood that big companies are all about profit and will adopt any stance that brings them the most profit. Expecting ethics from big publically traded companies is admirable in a "pie in the sky" sort of way but not at all realistic.
Nightengale
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Well, the current weekly sales ratio won't let it reach 1mil by December.
Metal Slime PS4 (and Day Zero Digital Code) and GTAV bundle are its only hope.
Rhazer Fusion
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Sold in? Last time I heard, Microsoft sold 6-7 million units world-wide. Now they are saying 10 million and suddenly ahead of Sony in the US? Something doesn't compute. Sold in/shipped doesn't count towards consumers, only retailers I am assuming. If it does, how does that even count? PR?
By December I meant end of it, so basically begining of January. But you are still right though.
Brad Grenz
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They really aren't.
Of course I'm serious.
Why shouldn't I expect companies to act ethically and not try to dupe consumers over and over again? That's the least we should expect. This "hate the game, not the player" attitude is so much bullshit. Expect more and stop giving companies a get out of jail free card whenever they try to dick us over.
Rhazer Fusion
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Is GTA pretty popular in Japan or something? I do not see it contributing much to the PS4 success in japan.
It has it's audience and even Dragon Age Inquisition is in the top 10 of pre orders there on PS4, so it might boost the sales for a couple of weeks, but nothing dramatically high though.
funkystudent
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GTA is actually pretty damn popular over there.
Its no Monster Hunter but GTAV was like the 6th or 7th best game selling game over there last year.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.
Life is too short to be putting up with the never ending BS from these companies.
Let's see if it's a sustained bump or the more typical temporary bump second-place consoles usually have...
On a less shady note, I think Microsoft has realised one of their biggest problems is the halo effect being 'first' can have, and they have to make as much PR hay as they can to reinforce a more positive perception around their own console. Being the most popular console can have a snowball effect, it's helped PS4 a lot, and can start accelerating over time once the idea becomes very strong or sustained (e.g. a 2:1 marketshare over a longer period). MS has to try and curb that.
On a less shady note, I think Microsoft has realised one of their biggest problems is the halo effect being 'first' can have, and they have to make as much PR hay as they can to reinforce a more positive perception around their own console. Being the most popular console can have a snowball effect, it's helped PS4 a lot, and can start accelerating over time once the idea becomes very strong or sustained (e.g. a 2:1 marketshare over a longer period). MS has to try and curb that.
GTA V is the 4th (or 3th) best selling game on the PS3 in Japan
Off the top of my head I think it's done at least 700k.
Don't quote me on that though. Will try to dig up the ltd when I get home.
More specifically, having a loser brings things like PS+, Games with Gold, the price drop, the bundles, etc.
John Bender
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lol... alexandros...
I could ask you the same question, with you and Sony, in Sony-related threads.
Ploid 3.0
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Good for MS, I wonder how WIIU has been doing lately too.
He never was. Continuing to complain about it just made him annoying. He could have easily lived without the ability to make threads, but he got on mods bad side and gave an opening for bann.
He never was. Continuing to complain about it just made him annoying. He could have easily lived without the ability to make threads, but he got on mods bad side and gave an opening for bann.
Nightengale
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Shipped = Sold-In = Bought by Distributor/Retailer/etc.
According to the prediction thread, it's today November 13th.
CadetMahoney
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pretty much.
What a time to be alive.
WolfForager
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Cheers.
Duxxy3
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Outside of finding out the top selling console, I don't think we're going to get much in the way of results.
It could be realistic though. They will change if people do not buy their product as a result of their bullshit. This is more possible today than ever with how technology has everyone socially connected. It's a lot harder to fool large numbers of people than it used to be. If lying to your customers pisses them off at the expense of lost profit, you can bet they will change the way they do business or they will be out of business.
I know our leakers are gone, but we might get some tendencies and kryptic tweets that math gaf will put into numbers. Hopefully.
After this wonder how the NPD thread will go?
I'm guessing entertaining either way.
BTW given the insight into current MS shipped is their a view in likely PS4 shipped? Both will be ramping up to support peak trading sales but I get feeling from thread many are focusing on XB1 number in isolation vs considering PS4 may well be shipping just as much maintaining gap.
I'm guessing entertaining either way.
BTW given the insight into current MS shipped is their a view in likely PS4 shipped? Both will be ramping up to support peak trading sales but I get feeling from thread many are focusing on XB1 number in isolation vs considering PS4 may well be shipping just as much maintaining gap.
Psycho_Mantis
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What MS is essentially saying is that "soon" (since the holidays are approaching) they will have shipped 10 million to retailers.
Estimates for number of XB1's sold is somewhere from 6.5-7 million iirc.
PS4 still leads XB1 by 1 million in US (and the gap will likely increase in October).
Nightengale
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As for the second part of the question, I don't know. My industry allows me to 'sell-in' something before they're produced, but the items I deal with can be manufactured easily without needing long-lead times.
Don't know if it's possible for electronics.
But generally, as long as there's an invoice transaction between manufacturer-to-retailer, it's sold-in.
Brad Grenz
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Including their holiday shipments PS4 is probably up around 19-20m sold in.
alexandros
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I don't have an issue with not trusting a company based on its practises. I'm boycotting EA and buying from Valve and GOG for precisely that reason. I'm also not buying game consoles for similar reasons. I have an issue with your justification and bringing ethics into a decision that should simply be about normal consumer behavior.
Microsoft, Sony, EA, Nintendo, Activision, even Valve simply want profit. They don't have ethics or feelings, they offer products and we decide if we want to buy them. Every single one of these companies has acted in an "unethical" way in the past and will do so again.
So by all means, take into account the practises of a company before making a decision. But don't put blind faith in a company because it's "ethical". You are setting yourself up from disappointment.
That is a shipped graph. If you go to your own link and go to the last page you'll see it.
The Xbone upper and lower limits are because we don't know how much was Xbone and how much was 360 because "the Xbox family sold 5 consoles last week" type info.
Coulomb_Barrier
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If MS has stocked retailers worlwide with 10 million up until now, obviously including allocation for the Holiday period, Sony must have 'shipped in' 20+ million, seeing as they've sold (you know, properly sold to buyers) around 14 million PS4s to date?
MS can still do what they are doing right now.
They probably won't overtake the PS4 at this point, but what they are doing right now is much better than earlier this year. This pleases the fans and some who are thinking of buying an Xbone but not sure yet.
WordsintheWater
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Haha that was hilarious
Don't want him to be out of a job, but he gives the company a bad image
Shit is ridiculous though, they're doing better than before, why not just stick to that and stop trying to shove numbers that aren't really their down peoples throats.
No not at all, I want them to say that with all the changes they implemented and price drops their console has increased in sales. The rest of the junk just sours the whole thing for me. I'm glad they're doing better, but the other stuff just makes me cringe.
It's about time that posters around here woke up to Microsoft's BS.
RexNovis from another thread explained the situation going on with Microsoft as a whole currently:
RexNovis from another thread explained the situation going on with Microsoft as a whole currently:
John Bender
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