Karsticles
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IMDB is editable by anyone. More likely to be a troll.
Fighting Games Weekly | Nov 10-16 | Frauds Among Us
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";139057675]
When someone says we need to all calm down and be more politically correct and conscious of each other, they're disrespecting our emotional involvement in the game.[/QUOTE]
Tbf, I'm in the "watch what you say" camp, but I don't mean don't pop off. I just mean watch what you say and be mindful of anything personal. Talk shit about the game, don't be an asshole.
When someone says we need to all calm down and be more politically correct and conscious of each other, they're disrespecting our emotional involvement in the game.[/QUOTE]
Tbf, I'm in the "watch what you say" camp, but I don't mean don't pop off. I just mean watch what you say and be mindful of anything personal. Talk shit about the game, don't be an asshole.
Lostconfused
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The cabs in P4AU are bussy, the rooms in EXVS FB are full. There are no games I can play and I guess there are no streams to watch?
You can always study the game in your downtime :v
Lostconfused
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Execution and lack of experience is my biggest problem though. Not to mention my inability to stick to a gameplan in a live match or forgetting basic meta game.
how long have you been playing?
Then grind some stuff out in training mode, watch some vids with training mode open and recreate situations or combos or set ups and figure out why these things happen. Those things you need to work on in a live match but you can better prepare for them.
Not aimed at you, but I'm of the opinion people severely under utilize the time to study games and interpret them. I'm even more of the opinion that some people don't know what to look for or how to interpret some things.
SixMachine
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Best story is the fact he fed them KFC off the floor. He also confirms the EMP ravioli video is very real, and on top of that Marn also spiked water with laxatives because people kept taking his water at the arc. When they say players are hungry, THEY MEAN IT!
"God's Beard!"
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That's how Siddhartha Gautama became the Buddha.
damn hopefully somebody uploads this on youtube.
Lostconfused
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EXVS almost three years. However my execution is bad in certain instances because those instances don't come up often enough as the game doesn't favor them and my meta is suffering because I am engaging in a style I have never practiced before.
Fair enough, I am dodging studying games and using my in experience as an excuse. However I still feel like it's true in my case as I don't think I have even the basic understanding of 2d fighters. Like say Training mode, which I spent more time with than live matches made me pay attention to my character more while in live matches its probably more important to pay attention to the opponent. That shift in focus might or might not be important but either way it's not something I considered or thought about for a long time.
Holy Order Sol
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";139057675]If you haven't gotten salty losing, or you haven't jumped out of your chair after winning a hard match, then you probably don't care enough. [/QUOTE]
or it's just self-control
With so many people who revel in getting some sort of reaction it makes sense to deny them the satisfaction.
or it's just self-control
With so many people who revel in getting some sort of reaction it makes sense to deny them the satisfaction.
Hmmm. If you want some help (I know you do the whole P4U thing) hit me up sometime in a PM. I'm in school to be a teacher and enjoy teaching FG stuff. I'm kind of curious to see how you play and where you're at.
Problems, huh. I guess mine would be that I abuse what are commonly labeled as "netplay tactics", but I don't really care since I only play online and I'll do whatever gets me the win. It's hilarious when someone's consistently playing like crap, though, and then complains about the opponent using netplay tactics as an excuse.
Lostconfused
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I think lack of experience is a big weakness for anyone. Making a good guess or decision in a scramble situation pretty much requires muscle memory and tons of experience and practice. As a new player you are more likely to react too slowly, make the wrong decision, or just freeze up and fail to make a decision at all.
Edit: Although you can call that autopiloting and that's not always considered a good thing, its only as bad or good as the level at which you practiced.
Edit: Although you can call that autopiloting and that's not always considered a good thing, its only as bad or good as the level at which you practiced.
Unless I'm forgetting, I don't recall you really using netplay tactics. In P4U at the very least.
On a separate note, for any GG savvy people, any tips on how to parry multi-hitting moves with Jam? Just do it fast or is it just possible on certain/easier multi-hitting moves?
Actually your problem is you think you're much better than you actually are and you eat shit for making poor decisions based around this. We can see it in your decision making and the choices you make in tournaments.
DiscoShark
Banned
Holy shit, that got me to stop lurking.
Wait... huh? Where'd that come from? When did I claim that I'm good?
I make really poor decisions constantly and there's also a bunch of stuff I'm trying to improve at like defense, which I'm pretty lacking. I've never denied this.
Lostconfused
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Busaiku was talking you up, things got a bit controversial.
Ah, I see that looking back. But...
This is actually pissing me off. Who the fuck are you to say that I think I'm much better than I actually am? You don't know me. Do you think you're some kind of genius who can infer a player's psychological makeup based on how they play? I've always thought I was lacking, yet I try to improve in any way I can, so I don't need you spreading false bullshit about me.
Just been your general attitude since back in Vanilla, when you would switch characters on people or play in ways to provoke them, try to IK them, etc. Like when you fought Omni in Brett's tournament, we could tell you were complacent and when Omni started to win it appeared you just dropped the idea of playing.
You weren't welcome back into certain netplay tournaments and sessions because of your disrespectful play and your attitude towards others. It had nothing to do with "netplay" tactics, it had a lot to do with you playing disrespectfully and arrogantly towards people you were already handling just fine.
I'm just saying you've been around the netplay Persona scene for around a year and almost nobody likes you because of the way you've played and acted towards others, and that's how it comes off to a lot of people.
CountBlack
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DiscoShark
Banned
As an aside, is changing characters on someone genuinely considered to be a disrespectful act? Unless it's someone that specifically asked me to play a character so that they can learn a matchup I generally like to switch characters every 10 or so matches to keep things fresh for myself, especially if the matches are really one sided in either direction.
Oh... now I see what you're talking about. However, you're wrong, just like any of the other players who claimed they could tell what I was thinking based on how I played.
In Brett's tournament? I was trying my hardest to win; why wouldn't I? Omni just outperformed me in every way during the GFs, even though I was giving it my all. You couldn't "tell" shit, apparently, by what you're saying. I'd have no reason to "drop the idea of playing" in the final set of a tournament, of all times.
During that FT10 where I was switching characters and trying to IK my opponent? That was me having fun. I was ahead by, I think, 7-8 matches in that set, so I was pretty much just messing around, while also trying to win. I wasn't "disrespecting" my opponent, since I was obviously set on winning the FT10 (which I did in the end), but I also could see how it appeared that way and I apologized for it later on (even though it's still kind of the way I prefer to play during a long set, since it's never fun if anything's so lopsided). That ban was related to that, but also because I talked mess to the TO like I'm doing to you right now since you guys like misinterpreting things.
That is true, though it's not something I can see changing. Whether it's the commentators talking smack because I'm using Shadow Labrys, or it's the commentators talking smack because I'm using Adachi... heh, well I guess my style of play just rubs people the wrong way. That's how I play, though, so it's not something I can really change, which goes back to my problem of using "netplay tactics." I never have a bad attitude towards anyone I play and I try to be helpful to anyone who asks.
I suppose there is something to say about playing like a scumbag online against a player weaker than you, or giving up prematurely because you feel like you're completely outclassed.
I just panic burst and play over-aggressively once I realize I'm getting my ass kicked
Also sorry to all netplay guys that think it's fun to switch characters against me in P4A2, but I can only play the beginner mode god, Minazuki.
Lostconfused
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Yeah but that's less fighting game discussion and more of a community thing for one specific game. When you get a community small enough a lot players become known to each other.
Switch nation? i dunno if it's universally frowned upon, but I personally don't like playing people's alts, especially if they're beating me with their mains. I'd rather lose to their mains than beat their alts, because it doesn't feel like I've actually accomplished anything if the stakes are blatantly lowered.
that said... I will switch characters if I'm flooring you because I enjoy playing and learning different characters.
¯\_(ツ
_/¯Depends. I remember commentating a FT10 between Flux and an Aki player online. The idea was to do FT10 to learn and get some entertainment. At some point Flux was up like 8 games, so he just started trying to IK the guy, and when he failed he switched to Teddie and played so horribly the FT10 could've become pointless. It's disrespectful to the other player who came to the MU, and to the people who put on the exhibition in the first place.
There were multiple incidents involved with Flux entering tournaments or exhibitions and trying to IK or troll weaker players, and it more or less made a mockery of the event. Multiple times. So sorry if we see you play in certain ways and I assume it's part of your pattern of unsportsmanlike behavior.
Professor Beef
Banned
If switching characters is considered disrespect, then I have disrespected almost everyone I've played in FGC-GAF.
Maybe that other player should get good then.
Maybe that other player should get good then.
I don't remember those times other than the FT10, but you can assume whatever you want. This narrative of who I'm supposed to be like based on nothing but my gameplay style is a pretty fun story to see unfold, but that's about it. Switching characters and trying to have fun with the game by experimenting during casual games is unsportsmanlike behavior? So be it. I'm not here to have "super serious matches" where I play by some pre-determined rule by the community, of which deviating it labels me a "troll" or someone who mocks events. I play fighting games to have fun.
Yeah, if someone asks me to continue using a certain character, I'll do it.
Arcade rules -- keep playing the same character until that character is beaten. Ask if it's okay to change if you want to. A lot of people usually want that run back to learn the match.
I'm just telling you how I and pretty much every other person involved in the P4U netplay scene has seen it. You should probably look into it more but I'm not going to push it on you here. Just, my advice to you is to not do what you did last time somebody confronted you about this.
DiscoShark
Banned
I don't know you, have never talked to you, and don't particularly recall any game I've played with you but I think if you're set to have a FT10 with someone that's more of a formal declaration than just fooling around in casuals. In that sort of setting it's probably best to just end it quickly and efficiently rather than going out of your way to "play with your food".
Switch nation? i dunno if it's universally frowned upon, but I personally don't like playing people's alts, especially if they're beating me with their mains. I'd rather lose to their mains than beat their alts, because it doesn't feel like I've actually accomplished anything if the stakes are blatantly lowered.
that said... I will switch characters if I'm flooring you because I enjoy playing and learning different characters.
¯\_(ツ
It definitely feels like it's context based then. I agree that a FT10 / Tournament setting doesn't feel like the right venue to be fooling around like that. But in casual play I can cite tons of examples of times I've just up and went random select if I'm playing with any number of people. I've also come across the situation where I'm losing a set of matches against a random and they switch and felt like shit for it unless they're at least as good with their alt character. It's hard to really get a handle on when and where such a thing is gonna anger your opponent in casual play unless you're directly communicating with him/her over skype/voice chat.
For me at least.
This seems like a pretty good rule of thumb.
The Last Emperor
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I'm so confused? Is this flux dude who's getting bodied by Anne frank the real flux, aka flux sucks?
If it is, my dude, stop wearing those jeans pls
If it is, my dude, stop wearing those jeans pls
Well, first off, it's not "every other person involved in the P4U netplay scene." It's people on Dustloop, who chat with each other and like to judge other players who aren't part of their group. There's plenty of people I play regularly in P4A that I have a good time with.
And what I'm doing right now is looking into it more. Give me all of the reasons that make me a "disrespectful player" and whatnot, since I was also open to it after that FT10; I apologized for the character switching and the IK attempts, after all. But I don't need you hand-waving the point and going "that's just how we see it" or "you don't understand" because that isn't helpful.
All I do is fight and try to improve. I try to avoid this kind of FGC drama with other players at any point, though it has a fine way of finding me for some reason...
Yeah, that's what I learned after that FT10 and everyone freaked out about how I was playing. "Playing with my food" is an apt way of putting what I was doing, but it's not something I had seen as disrespectful until after it was done and I had discussions with people about it.