Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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That Dude John said:
I guess I'll go full Toa Tak and say that I rather liked the giant mech.
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What do you mean "full Toa TAK"? Hmmm?!
Hamlet said:
The Good Hitler oh Toa.
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I think I laid out my explanation of why she's the Good Hitler pretty well, Hamlet:

Toa TAK said:
Oh you know. Someone who is courageous, strong, intelligent, who cares for her people (but only people like her), and willing to do whatever it takes to do what's right and establish order in a chaotic world. Everything Kuvira does, she does it for the greater good. Sacrifices, like her fiancé and Eskimo Jesus, are a harsh and consuming cost she's going to have to live with. But she carries the world, and the future of the world, on her shoulders, and her shoulders alone.

;_;7
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Phoenician_Viking said:
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Yeah there were Fire nation settlers there. But the territory should have remained an Earth Kingdom territory. You give the settlers an option, accept it or fuck off. There was no reason whatsoever to give up a chunk of the Earth just to satisfy the setters, even though the Fire kingdom who started the whole mess and should have atoned for their mistakes. It feels like the Fire Nation had no repercussions whatsoever for their war. Removing Ozai and Azula does not constitute redemption or that the past of the Fire nation was wiped clean. Hell even Azula was released. They got off really easy about that. No trials for war criminals, no concessions from the fire nation, no promises about disarmament (Germany, Japan situation after WW2), no nothing. Just Zuko taking the leadership and no repercussions happened to the Fire Nation since Zuko is Aang´s friend.

It really strikes me as the Fire Nation kills a guy and then comes to his funeral and pretend to morn. The Fire Nation literally annihilated an entire culture and tried mass genocide on the Earth Kingdom. Even after many years there will still be grudges and hatred against the Fire Nation, and i don´t blame them at all.

Aang has really fucked up by giving a piece of the Earth Kingdom away.
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Yeah the Earth Kingdom didn't really benefit out of the deal at all. I just guess it comes down to the Earth King's compassion for the people, or if you want to be cynical, his naievty with leadership. And to pay the debt to Aang for saving the world.

I hope the comics will get into more of what the Fire Nation did to make up for the hundred year war. We know that Zuko and the Fire Nation spent alot of those years trying help build the United Republic and they gifted the Avatar Aang statue. The next comic is about the New Ozai movement, maybe it will come up.
 
Atraveller said:
Toa TAK
Good Hitler
Today, 10:41 PM, Post #15803


Make it happen mods.
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Hey now. This is the second time you people tried to make this happen, it won't happen just because you ask the mods to you, you know.
CreeperBlocks said:
How can someone be a good hitler? What.
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*sigh* here we go again:
Toa TAK said:
Oh you know. Someone who is courageous, strong, intelligent, who cares for her people (but only people like her), and willing to do whatever it takes to do what's right and establish order in a chaotic world. Everything Kuvira does, she does it for the greater good. Sacrifices, like her fiancé and Eskimo Jesus, are a harsh and consuming cost she's going to have to live with. But she carries the world, and the future of the world, on her shoulders, and her shoulders alone.

;_;7
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Man, that laser has some built in A-Team level tech if firing that laser not only managed to not kill anyone, but only the character undergoing a morality crisis is the only one even hurt.

That's one way to defuse a cliffhanger I suppose.
 
Was kind of weary to post in this thread. Kind of over all the negativity and what not. But gah. I think I am past the point of liking this season. Just not a fan at all of how this season played out. And don't like the Kuvira mech (like at all).

Having nightmare flashbacks to Book 2's terrible season ender. =/

I guess we shouldn't expect the last episodes, to be more then just a fight between Kuvira and Korra? No spirit stuff? No higher mythology stuff? Kind of strange this is the series ender. Still expecting something more (even if it's just a one off scene like her re-connecting to her past lives. But at this point, I don't see why that would matter).
 
Azula said:
Was kind of weary to post in this thread. Kind of over all the negativity and what not. But gah. I think I am past the point of liking this season. Just not a fan at all of how this season played out. And don't like the Kuvira mech (like at all).

Having nightmare flashbacks to Book 2's terrible season ender. =/

I guess we shouldn't expect the last episodes, to be more then just a fight between Kuvira and Korra? No spirit stuff? No higher mythology stuff? Kind of strange this is the series ender. Still expecting something more (even if it's just a one off scene like her re-connecting to her past lives. But at this point, I don't see why that would matter).
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Everybody knows this is how it's going to end:
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All the spirits are going to come to help Korra in one final push against Mech Kuvira (even though they said they wouldn't. It will be like those cheesy movie moments, where the characters show up anyways in the last act to rally against evil).

Fuckin Bryke. Why you got to ruin your show. You had ONE thing to do.
 
Azula said:
All the spirits are going to come to help Korra in one final push against Mech Kuvira (even though they said they wouldn't. It will be like those cheesy movie moments, where the characters show up anyways in the last act to rally against evil).

Fuckin Bryke. Why you got to ruin your show. You had ONE thing to do.
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That's very likely to happen, but I hope they don't. I just don't want them to make Kuvira look like a tosser as they did with Zaheer.
 
coolfighter1993 said:
That's very likely to happen, but I hope they don't. I just don't want them to make Kuvira look like a tosser as they did with Zaheer.
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I mean, at least would make the situation more interesting. As it stands now, Korra vs Kuvira in a mech lol. I just can't imagine they keep this a straight forward fight. Could they really stretch that out for 2 more episodes? Surely...something has to change in the situation.

And there is just the fact that, this is the end of the series. So it would be strange not to have the spirits or mythology come back into play. I mean honestly, if this was just as straight up fight between Korra and Kuvira, wouldn't most of you be let down?

I mean, I know Korra doesn't have to reconnect to her past lives. But it still feels like that plot was kind of just left hanging. Like...if she's never going to connect again, we didn't get that resolution to that (like her accepting that she won't ever connect, but that she'll start the cycle over again with her being #1).

Just anything. If it's just a straight up Kuvira vs Korra fight, it just feels...lacking.
 
Toa TAK said:
I had to prove she wasn't a "waifu" (which is completely beneath her).

So I put this handsome guy you might know as my avatar instead.
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The fact that you went through all that just to prove that she isn't your waifu proves even more that she in fact is and she's one of those ones that insults you. If you would have went " nah breh " I would have left it alone. Now you done messed up, you had to defend your waifu's honor.
 
Loved this ep so much. Been really enjoying the series as a whole. The mech did not seem out of place for me. My jaw just dropped when it appeared. Did Kuvira and Baatar have this idea when they entered Zaofu and that's why they removed the domes? It explains a lot. How would they get that much metal already processed that fast.

I do not want Mako to die.
I am worried about Asami where is she?
 
Crunchie Lunchie said:
Loved this ep so much. Been really enjoying the series as a whole. The mech did not seem out of place for me. My jaw just dropped when it appeared. Did Kuvira and Baatar have this idea when they entered Zaofu and that's why they removed the domes? It explains a lot. How would they get that much metal already processed that fast.

I do not want Mako to die.
I am worried about Asami where is she?
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Well, at least Kuvira did. That was the point of mentioning the Domes. Thing is, I remember when she mentioned taking off the domes, several people in this thread said it was going to be for a mech lol

So it didn't surprise me, personally. We all knew that it couldn't just be Kuvira vs Korra. Because when Korra had her shit together, Kuvira could be beaten by a single gust of wind. So we speculated what crazy way they would try to pump up Kuvira to make her a threat. We thought for some time, they would pull something whacky and fuse Kuvira with the spirit vine energy to make her into a freak. And it's the writers MO's at this point, to default to turning the villains into super sized freaks.

But in the end they went with a mech (which is much better). I don't think it's out of place in terms of the world of Avatar. It's more plausible then a lot of things that have been done. But at least to me, visually it looks so damn silly.

Then again, I hated the Kaiju fight with Blue spirit Korra and red spirit Unalaq. Thought it looked so silly and clunky. I was over the top in all the wrong ways. I guess I'll have to see how the Mech fight plays out. But visually I kind of laughed when I saw it.
 
Just watched latest episode.

Kuvira is a bitch, no excuses.

Edit: Also love how Korra is taking leadership with determination and strength, its amazing how much she has grown.
 
What exactly was less plausible than a giant mech developed by unnamed engineers when the two best ones in the world had no involvement in the design or construction of it?
 
Hero said:
What exactly was less plausible than a giant mech developed by unnamed engineers when the two best ones in the world had no involvement in the design or construction of it?
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Confused by this post. Are you saying it wasn't plausible that other engineers could have made it. Sorry, I'm tired. But this kind of did a number on my brain the way it's phrased.
 
Atraveller said:
Lava bending is the new lightning bending, only used when plot demands so.
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I guess. Honestly, I feel like when you have a world full of magic like Avatar, there is always going to be "what ifs". Because really, bending abilities could always go further then they do on the show (they could literally break the world and the plot). So there is always some restraint from the writers.

I think the same goes for abilities like lightning and lava bending. Or blood bending. They should be used more often for certain situations, but they aren't..because the plot doesn't call for it. But this goes beyond those bending, and applies to most bending IMO. There is always going to be some restraint where you could say: why didn't x just do y?

Because magic is so world breaking.

I guess I'm almost of the mind set of, they just shouldn't introduce these new OP forms of bending, if they aren't going to use them because they would be plot breaking. Just don't even bother. Because they already have to have restraint with the 4 natural bending elements.
 
Azula said:
Confused by this post. Are you saying it wasn't plausible that other engineers could have made it. Sorry, I'm tired. But this kind of did a number on my brain the way it's phrased.
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Sorry, I was just asking what's less plausible than the mech in the series. But yes, I think it's impossible for such a feat to have been done by other engineers. The world had established that Mr. Sato, Asami and Verrick were the best engineers.
 
btw, I just watched book 1's finale for the first time


I'd heard how bad it was and went in prepared...

and I still wasn't prepared.

Good gravy marie.

As soon as you get to the sequence where Korra infiltrates the arena, everything goes haywire. Korra thinks she can dissuade all of Amon's followers just by talking about something she could've made up. Tenzin and kids were captured off-screen just to fill in for a threat they couldn't otherwise write. Korra hides under a table from a bloodbender. Everyone goes up against Amon, constantly forgetting he's a bloodbender. She suddenly learns how to airbend after all that time of it never taking, and not for the reasons she was supposed to learn airbending. Though I wouldn't've minded that if the second season was about airbending being her only tool as she relearned being a great avatar (instead of needing tutoring from Zaheer in season four!) And why the hell did Amon wear a fake makeup scar under his mask the ENTIRE time? (Okay that last one's nitpicky, but still.)

And then she basically becomes suicidal because she defines herself by her bending. So what happens?

Aang and all the avatars come out of absolutely NOWHERE and restore all her abilities all at once. Okay, I get this was the ending for a one-season concept, but... you know what? You can't get away with that even then, that's a terrible excuse. That is god-awful writing. As a mechanism, it annihilates any challenges an avatar should have if their past lives can come out of nowhere and give them a crazy ass buff. Did I miss the setup for that one? It blindsided me. I didn't even feel like I was watching the same show. It was some nether realm of dreams that just happened to be animated by homo sapiens.

And then she went and gave bending back to others. Okay, I... guess I see that? Aang took Ozai's away, but still... why have bendingbending if you're not gonna roll with any consequences when it's used on people we care about? It's cheap.

So, yeah. I can see why people were absolutely honked off.
 
A-V-B said:
btw, I just watched book 1's finale for the first time


I'd heard how bad it was and went in prepared...

and I still wasn't prepared.

Good gravy marie.

As soon as you get to the sequence where Korra infiltrates the arena, everything goes haywire. Korra thinks she can dissuade all of Amon's followers just by talking about something she could've made up. Tenzin and kids were captured off-screen just to fill in for a threat they couldn't otherwise write. Korra hides under a table from a bloodbender. Everyone goes up against Amon, constantly forgetting he's a bloodbender. She suddenly learns how to airbend after all that time of it never taking, and not for the reasons she was supposed to learn airbending. Though I wouldn't've minded that if the second season was about airbending being her only tool as she relearned being a great avatar (instead of needing tutoring from Zaheer in season four!) And why the hell did Amon wear a fake makeup scar under his mask the ENTIRE time? (Okay that last one's nitpicky, but still.)

And then she basically becomes suicidal because she defines herself by her bending. So what happens?

Aang and all the avatars come out of absolutely NOWHERE and restore all her abilities all at once. Okay, I get this was the ending for a one-season concept, but... you know what? You can't get away with that even then, that's a terrible excuse. That is god-awful writing. As a mechanism, it annihilates any challenges an avatar should have if their past lives can come out of nowhere and give them a crazy ass buff. Did I miss the setup for that one? It blindsided me. I didn't even feel like I was watching the same show. It was some nether realm of dreams that just happened to be animated by homo sapiens.

And then she went and gave bending back to others. Okay, I... guess I see that? Aang took Ozai's away, but still... why have bendingbending if you're not gonna roll with any consequences when it's used on people we care about? It's cheap.

So, yeah. I can see why people were absolutely honked off.
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Book 2 finale is even worse. :p

Edit: Okay I'm wrong. Endgame was worse. While I hated Book 2's finale, Endgame is really really bad on a technical level (See my post on the next page). But I still think both are pretty terrible.
 
A-V-B said:
btw, I just watched book 1's finale for the first time


I'd heard how bad it was and went in prepared...

and I still wasn't prepared.

Good gravy marie.

As soon as you get to the sequence where Korra infiltrates the arena, everything goes haywire. Korra thinks she can dissuade all of Amon's followers just by talking about something she could've made up. Tenzin and kids were captured off-screen just to fill in for a threat they couldn't otherwise write. Korra hides under a table from a bloodbender. Everyone goes up against Amon, constantly forgetting he's a bloodbender. She suddenly learns how to airbend after all that time of it never taking, and not for the reasons she was supposed to learn airbending. Though I wouldn't've minded that if the second season was about airbending being her only tool as she relearned being a great avatar (instead of needing tutoring from Zaheer in season four!) And why the hell did Amon wear a fake makeup scar under his mask the ENTIRE time? (Okay that last one's nitpicky, but still.)

And then she basically becomes suicidal because she defines herself by her bending. So what happens?

Aang and all the avatars come out of absolutely NOWHERE and restore all her abilities all at once. Okay, I get this was the ending for a one-season concept, but... you know what? You can't get away with that even then, that's a terrible excuse. That is god-awful writing. As a mechanism, it annihilates any challenges an avatar should have if their past lives can come out of nowhere and give them a crazy ass buff. Did I miss the setup for that one? It blindsided me. I didn't even feel like I was watching the same show. It was some nether realm of dreams that just happened to be animated by homo sapiens.

And then she went and gave bending back to others. Okay, I... guess I see that? Aang took Ozai's away, but still... why have bendingbending if you're not gonna roll with any consequences when it's used on people we care about? It's cheap.

So, yeah. I can see why people were absolutely honked off.
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None of the subsequent seasons of Korra have been any better, if it makes you feel any better.
 
Hero said:
None of the subsequent seasons of Korra have been any better, if it makes you feel any better.
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Not really.

But I do thank the show for giving me Beginnings. That is SO damn rad. When I saw it, I said, "this should've been the show instead of Korra."

Of course, it also had lots of advantages to being a two-episode story and not multiple seasons, but I adored the setting and I really liked Wan. It felt like I was watching ATLA again, but different. You know, the sort of sequel we shoulda got.

Then I found out they were episodes dropped from ATLA, and went, "oh, so... this isn't something they could've sustained because it's run-off magic from a dead show" and the sadness kinda crept in again.
 
And I just realized something.

If you can give someone's bending back, that kinda nullifies Ozai losing his. Anyone in Avatar's wide, wide world of magical asian mysticism could've dedicated their lives to learning the skill on some mountain somewhere, given him his powers back and whoopee, the Phoenix King has returned (though he'd be old -- but that never stopped his brother.) Sorry Aang, now you really do have to kill him.
 
Atraveller said:
What's wrong wither her being someone's waifu?
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Waifus are lame. Kuvira demands the utmost respect.
Village said:
The fact that you went through all that just to prove that she isn't your waifu proves even more that she in fact is and she's one of those ones that insults you. If you would have went " nah breh " I would have left it alone. Now you done messed up, you had to defend your waifu's honor.
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Nonononono. She's not a waifu.
Azula said:
lol we need to stop being in denial. We need to move to the acceptance stage my friend.

Also TAK, you really need to change your avatar back. Your current one is awful. Legit. Just no. Change it back breh.
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Not douchy enough for you? I got plenty selfies like that. This one was from Thursday.
 
A-V-B said:
And I just realized something.

If you can give someone's bending back, that kinda nullifies Ozai losing his. Anyone in Avatar's wide, wide world of magical asian mysticism could've dedicated their lives to learning the skill on some mountain somewhere, given him his powers back and whoopee, the Phoenix King has returned (though he'd be old -- but that never stopped his brother.) Sorry Aang, now you really do have to kill him.
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Something given can always be taken away. Something taken can always be returned. It was ALWAYS a feasible risk, just one that will probably never happen.
 
Azula said:
Well, at least Kuvira did. That was the point of mentioning the Domes. Thing is, I remember when she mentioned taking off the domes, several people in this thread said it was going to be for a mech lol

So it didn't surprise me, personally. We all knew that it couldn't just be Kuvira vs Korra. Because when Korra had her shit together, Kuvira could be beaten by a single gust of wind. So we speculated what crazy way they would try to pump up Kuvira to make her a threat. We thought for some time, they would pull something whacky and fuse Kuvira with the spirit vine energy to make her into a freak. And it's the writers MO's at this point, to default to turning the villains into super sized freaks.

But in the end they went with a mech (which is much better). I don't think it's out of place in terms of the world of Avatar. It's more plausible then a lot of things that have been done. But at least to me, visually it looks so damn silly.

Then again, I hated the Kaiju fight with Blue spirit Korra and red spirit Unalaq. Thought it looked so silly and clunky. I was over the top in all the wrong ways. I guess I'll have to see how the Mech fight plays out. But visually I kind of laughed when I saw it.
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I don't know. The mech is too scifi for me, not really matching the steampunk aesthetic of TLA and Korra (up till this season).

I mean, biplanes were just invented. And now we have 24 story walking mechs. Lol oh lord WHY BRYKE
 
Azula said:
lol we need to stop being in denial. We need to move to the acceptance stage my friend.

Also TAK, you really need to change your avatar back. Your current one is awful. Legit. Just no. Change it back breh.
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Amon never ended. Lets be real. Noatak ended. Amon is eternal.

It's not about the person, it's idea. And somewhere out there, Amon's will still lives on in some people, and it will arise again.
 
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