Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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CreeperBlocks
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Bleh. I think Korra overall would of been better without the romance plot. I knew this ending would be shit, I guess that's what you get when Nickelodeon cuts you're budget.
Also why did Kuvira get off easy? Fuck this show. Amon is still the best Villian
Also why did Kuvira get off easy? Fuck this show. Amon is still the best Villian
I imagine an alternative ending of Der Untergang with Churchill personally stepping through the ruins of Berlin, saving Hitler from his handgun and tells him that they are similar and then Hitler immediately regrets everything and lets himself be arrest. Then Churchill and Stalin go hand in hand to travel to Stuttgart.
Where's my soundtrack, Nick? :,(
Perfect end.
Loved the last moment. No doubt about it. Korrasami for life. Seems pretty obvious at this point, but no doubt the network execs shied away from it. But I'm glad it happened.
Thanks Bryke. There were ups and downs, but in the end I enjoyed The Legend of Korra for the most part. I don't think it could ever live up to ATLA, but you did a damn fine job, except for Book Two.
It's been a pleasure, KorraGAF. Let's not let this be the end, yeah?
Loved the last moment. No doubt about it. Korrasami for life. Seems pretty obvious at this point, but no doubt the network execs shied away from it. But I'm glad it happened.
Thanks Bryke. There were ups and downs, but in the end I enjoyed The Legend of Korra for the most part. I don't think it could ever live up to ATLA, but you did a damn fine job, except for Book Two.
It's been a pleasure, KorraGAF. Let's not let this be the end, yeah?
Hmmm, for as stupid and illogical as the set up to The Colossus was, I am going to say that having that for the final showdown was the right move overall. It really is the Summer Blockbuster Entertainment Coefficient in full effect, none of it made sense, but it gave the grand finale the air of epicness to the scale it needed to be. Yea, it really speaks to how badly mangled Kuvira's character had gotten and also how weak she actually was, but I really do think this would have been a weaker pair of episodes without the giant robot.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
I feel this show could of been better with a few more episodes. It could of fleshed out a lot of things this season
Book 4 had already gone down that route beforehand, pretty much, so I'm not so upset. Just like you I think it had the Summer Blockbuster thing going on full blast, and that's all I was hoping for as this season wrapped up.
It was apparent early on we weren't going to get Book 3-level of amazing.
Yea, I adjusted my expectations when I saw the writing on the wall.
Haha perfect.
Top men are working on it right now according to Jeremy. So hopefully it comes out soon enough. Shakes fist at Nick.
Jeremy
On the topic of ranking the seasons, here's my breakdown:
Season 3
Season 2
Season 1
Season 4
Yup. This was unfortunately the worst season in my opinion, though to be fair it's still an excellent series. In praise of this final season though, I have to admit the pacing was absolutely excellent up to about the midpoint or so.
If you're wondering why Season 2 is so high up there, it's mostly because despite Korra vacillating and being always mad, the central conflict was remarkably well done, and did some really awesome things with Varrick as a morally grey character. Plus it had the origins story.
Season 3
Season 2
Season 1
Season 4
Yup. This was unfortunately the worst season in my opinion, though to be fair it's still an excellent series. In praise of this final season though, I have to admit the pacing was absolutely excellent up to about the midpoint or so.
If you're wondering why Season 2 is so high up there, it's mostly because despite Korra vacillating and being always mad, the central conflict was remarkably well done, and did some really awesome things with Varrick as a morally grey character. Plus it had the origins story.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
The Finale would of been cooler with the Spirit Korra Fighting the Giant Robot. Toa Tak was right.
I gotta agree with these posts here, the Korra-Kuvira showdown was not quite what many had hoped for
Lol @ Chariot. That is perfection.
It's great to be vindicated.
I came to conclusion after re watching the final episode. We need more Avatar!
Thatonemoor
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Mediocre fifinale to a mediocre series. I enjoyed it for what it's worth though, would definitely watch a few episodes from this season and season 3 over again.
I guess it is time for my rankings.
Season 3
Season 4
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3 really is the only season I could say that the show was firing on mostly all cylinders, it has its issues certainly but really is the shining beacon of what this series could do when it was on point. Season 4 suffers from boxed writing, character bloat and severe pacing issues but turned the corner. Season 1 was happened by many of the same issues that season 4 suffered from, though switch out unnecessary subplots and one of the worst romances I have ever borne witness to. Season 2 just had a heavy tomes worth of problems carried over from season one that convalesced with shitty villains and a hack animation studio that almost made me quit the franchise.
Season 3
Season 4
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3 really is the only season I could say that the show was firing on mostly all cylinders, it has its issues certainly but really is the shining beacon of what this series could do when it was on point. Season 4 suffers from boxed writing, character bloat and severe pacing issues but turned the corner. Season 1 was happened by many of the same issues that season 4 suffered from, though switch out unnecessary subplots and one of the worst romances I have ever borne witness to. Season 2 just had a heavy tomes worth of problems carried over from season one that convalesced with shitty villains and a hack animation studio that almost made me quit the franchise.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
It seems the finale really split the fan base down the middle. Some of us love it and some of us hate it.
I think it was a well done send off for the franchise.
Honestly, if you think about it the Avatar franchise has been amazing successful. How many cartoons on kids networks get sequels? I can only think of one, Rugrats. Avatar was an anomaly.
I think it was a well done send off for the franchise.
Honestly, if you think about it the Avatar franchise has been amazing successful. How many cartoons on kids networks get sequels? I can only think of one, Rugrats. Avatar was an anomaly.
Yeah it's one of my favourite fictional universes out there. There is still so much untapped potential there to explore.
I'll give it to Bryke they created one rich universe.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
I'll rank my seasons
Season 3
Season 1
Season 2
Season 4
Season 3
Season 1
Season 2
Season 4
The villain who did the worst things was arguably unalaaq (or ozai if comparing all the series). The villain who got off the easiest is zaheer frolicking in the spirit world
goddam this why I can't take this thread's criticism seriously. If you're making Hitler comparisons that would be to ATLA Fire Nation. Ozai also had labor camps, super weapon, and you know, trying to conquer the whole world. Aang still stepped in and saved Ozai. The Kuvira comparison would be to Stalin aka trying to unite 'her people'. Korra also stepped in and saved Kuvira who at least showed some remorse while Ozai never did. But people still shits on Korra.
I'll be among the first to call out bad or forced romance because it is genuinely one of the worst things that I can be subjected to watch. Korra and Asami have been building up this relationship for two seasons. Indeed though there is one part of Korra and Asami I have yet to talk about, the reason why they have become the most popular couple and it isn't just the girl on girl thing. The two of them developed an ineffable chemistry that came across very natural and compatible to most. Even the deniers mention that the two of them are really good friends.
Moral Panic
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Asami dated Mako. Who then left her for Korra. When then left her for Asami again. Who then left her for Korra. Then they broke up and Asami and Korra suddenly become lesbians/bi and hook up.
Are there no other eligible people outside the group? Or is Team Avatar just a massive hookup zone? Especially since Mako didn't find anyone else, so those three have only ever been seen dating each other the only possible adjective to describe it is incestuous. Is that really the team dynamic that they wanted to portray? Or is it just a result of crappy writing?
You know, this last bit is actually one of my favorite parts of this season, the true redemption of Korra's character and it really doesn't get enough praise.
A little from column A and a little from column B in my estimation.
Moral Panic
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Nobody shits on Korra for talking to Kuveira. People shit on the show for saying that it worked.
It only 'worked' after Korra had beaten and broken her first. Kuvira straight up said 'I can't match up to the power of the Avatar' not 'oh she sweet talked me'. This wasn't Naruto-style talk no justu ffs. Yet again I really have no idea what show you guys that rush to criticism are watching *shrug* at least I can finally be done with this thread. I'm out
Edag Plata
Banned
Well, that was meh. It wasn't bad, wasn't great. The whole series was kinda meh to me, but I don't regret watching at all.
Welp, it's been fun, guys.
Welp, it's been fun, guys.
Hahaha, that ending. Start off by trolling to make it seem like Korra and Mako were getting back together, then pull a 180 and make Korra x Asami as implied as possible without actually going all the way with a kiss. I guess they really took the fan requests to heart. I'm sorta okay with it, if only because it was nice to see Asami finally not get an pure shit ending like in all the previous Books. It really seemed like they were going to go down that road again to when Hiroshi died, but she pulled out on top in the end for once.
As for the finale as a whole....it honestly didn't feel like a finale to the Korra series at all. Let alone a finale to the whole Avatar series. Sure, a new portal got made...but that was it. As much as I hated Book 2, it's "spirits and humans living together" ending felt more like send-off material than. It also felt like they had to many characters to work with, or were just poor when it comes to utilizing them. Jinora got reduced to unimportant side character with no lines along with her boyfriend Kai and Bumi for that matter. And then they tried to squeeze in some development for Kuvira 10 episodes too late, and that was it. Bataar Jr. got no closure with Kuriva at all, and neither did Su to be honest. Kuvira tossed out a half-assed apology, Su said she's going to answer for everything, and...well, yeah. It felt like Varrick, Zhu Li, Bolin, and Wu were the only characters they actually wanted to develop, with lots of annoying Meelo moments sprinkled throughout it. Oh, and Mako tried to have a cool send-off moment which ultimately felt lame because there was no way in hell they'd have the balls to kill him off to begin with.
Ultimately, I'd say Book 4 was on par with Book 1. Maybe slightly better due to the ending not being complete bullshit. So, final ranking:
Book 3
Book 4
Book 1
...
Book 2
All of which don't compare with the Books of TLA. Book 3 came close, but "Team Avatar" was used way too poorly for me to put it ahead of anything in TLA.
Welp, farewell Aminated Avatar. It's been some ride. Hope to see you again someday. I also hope the comics keep going strong. Wasn't feeling the ones about Zuko's mom that much, but I like the rest. Especially The Rift Part 3.
As for the finale as a whole....it honestly didn't feel like a finale to the Korra series at all. Let alone a finale to the whole Avatar series. Sure, a new portal got made...but that was it. As much as I hated Book 2, it's "spirits and humans living together" ending felt more like send-off material than. It also felt like they had to many characters to work with, or were just poor when it comes to utilizing them. Jinora got reduced to unimportant side character with no lines along with her boyfriend Kai and Bumi for that matter. And then they tried to squeeze in some development for Kuvira 10 episodes too late, and that was it. Bataar Jr. got no closure with Kuriva at all, and neither did Su to be honest. Kuvira tossed out a half-assed apology, Su said she's going to answer for everything, and...well, yeah. It felt like Varrick, Zhu Li, Bolin, and Wu were the only characters they actually wanted to develop, with lots of annoying Meelo moments sprinkled throughout it. Oh, and Mako tried to have a cool send-off moment which ultimately felt lame because there was no way in hell they'd have the balls to kill him off to begin with.
Ultimately, I'd say Book 4 was on par with Book 1. Maybe slightly better due to the ending not being complete bullshit. So, final ranking:
Book 3
Book 4
Book 1
...
Book 2
All of which don't compare with the Books of TLA. Book 3 came close, but "Team Avatar" was used way too poorly for me to put it ahead of anything in TLA.
Welp, farewell Aminated Avatar. It's been some ride. Hope to see you again someday. I also hope the comics keep going strong. Wasn't feeling the ones about Zuko's mom that much, but I like the rest. Especially The Rift Part 3.
SpaceCadetKeon
Banned
First of all, the scene was presented in such a way that you'd have to be in some serious denial to think that they were honestly trying to show that Korra and Asami were "just friends" at that point. Second, while the ending scene was the biggest "holy shit" moment for me of the entire franchise, I know full well that doesn't mean that all the show's missteps suddenly never happened.
I won't deny that the love triangle had issues, but I'd argue that shoehorning in a new character for the sole purpose of giving them someone to date outside of their own group of friends would be even crappier writing.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm of the opinion that Kuvira was a really unloved child. She got rejected by both parents, probably wandered the streets of the Earth Kingdom by herself for a bit and then got taken in by Su where she got a better life. She didn't want the people of the Earth Kingdom to feel as alone or abandoned as she did and did whatever it took to make sure it didn't happen. Then she unites her land and people try to take it from her. She was fiercely determined to achieve her goals, which I actually liked about her. Once Korra started telling her to surrender the first time and she threw a brick at her I laughed and was like, "I knew she wasn't going to stop." Then she tries to straight up merc Korra. I honestly wish they spent some more time on her because it really could've been a good narrative with her. I love how she looked so disgusted when Korra said "we're a lot alike" because they really are two vastly different people.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
People just like to shit on things that don't 100% match their expectations. I was against Korrasami since the beginning (I just hate fan shipping in general), but since that's what Bryke wanted to do I'm fine with it.
I did feel that Kuvira's surrender was a bit forced, but that doesn't ruin the overall finale for me. Seeing Wu give up the throne was an unexpected and welcomed surprised. As was Varrick and Zhu Li.
JadedWriter
Member
It's not so important that every part of the analogy be one to one, but merely that the most pointed part be accurate.
Yes Kuvira was beaten by the end and Korra saved her from the spirit vine weapon, which evidently cowed "the great uniter"
But as a Villain and antagonist, Kuvira was unraveled in the span of almost a minute. Every other villain resisted to end with whatever flawed convictions they held, Kuvira just crumbled, the sense of megalomania and willingness to do what it takes they'd been building up for ten episodes was brushed away like that.
Every other major villain had more time for the turnaround as the fight goes over to Korra's favor, with Kuvira, one moment she's poised for a trap and more resistance "Come and get me Korra...!" and the next after being saved shes in pieces. Her steely resolve was broken without much genuine indication apart from a sudden shift in dialog.
It's a disappointment to see such a strong character take a complete nosedive after two lines of dialog from Korra.
Nintendoga
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For all the shit this series gets, it was a pretty good run. My favorite finale of the four seasons, no Deus Ex Jinora, no Villains defeating themselves, just the entire cast getting together to stop Kuvira.
The final fight between Korra and Kuvira was okay. I was hoping once they got outside the mech the fight would start escalating to Ozai vs Aang levels, but instead it just kinda died down. Kuvira's "defeat" was rushed tho. I liked how Korra stopped her but it went from "You will NEVER defeat me" to "I accept any punishment given to me" in the span of a minute.
Besides all that it was a decent send off for the franchise, and I do hope we eventually get another series or a movie or something. More Avatar is never a bad thing.
The final fight between Korra and Kuvira was okay. I was hoping once they got outside the mech the fight would start escalating to Ozai vs Aang levels, but instead it just kinda died down. Kuvira's "defeat" was rushed tho. I liked how Korra stopped her but it went from "You will NEVER defeat me" to "I accept any punishment given to me" in the span of a minute.
Besides all that it was a decent send off for the franchise, and I do hope we eventually get another series or a movie or something. More Avatar is never a bad thing.
lol at Korrasami. I thought it was nice. I felt that if they did kiss it would've been pandering a bit too much to the fans. Felt like it was their way of saying "We're sorry ZukoXKatara didn't happen"
Wasn't Book 3's finale the same way?
*hugs both of you*
It'll be okay. We'll get by without more Avatar.
Don't worry, I'm 90% sure that within 5 years we'll get a TV show related to the Avatar universe, even if it isn't actually about the Avatar themselves.
The sock thing ruined the season 3 finale for me, it was so out of place and made a joke of the whole thing.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
From what I understand the final bit wasn't in the storyboard for the episode and was added last minute. Nick might not have had to chance to axe it, assuming that they'd want to.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Disney had lesbians? That's surprising, to say the least.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
I sat on it for a night and I think I'm actually kind of mad at that ending. I'm glad Korrasami happened, but that conversation with Tenzin would have literally been the perfect point to end the show, thematically.
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