The prophecy has been fulfilled
Someone please edit the ending with Careless Whisper playing
Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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The prophecy has been fulfilled
Seriously. This is the most realistic and mature romance the writers have done and people are doubting it. I don't know what dafuq is going on.
googleplex
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If the romance isn't shown then how in the blue hell am I as a viewer supposed to take the ideal of these two characters in a romantic relationship serious?
OK this is the third time I've been subtly called a homophobic on this topic so address my point or stop that shit. This has nothing to do with their gender! (particularly since I'm a die hard Azula/Ty lee fan)
Because you can't seem to wrap your head around a relationship in fiction not going "meet > romance", but "meet > issues > friendship > romance". There was a buildup to this relationship, and you're refusing to acknowledge it was a buildup, you're claiming "it was friendship and only friendship all along until the last 8 seconds". You ever think that you just didn't notice the buildup because you never expected it to be a romance?
Like I said, a romance is not a romance until it is. You're basically trying to claim a friendship isn't able to blossom into a relationship. That it must be overtly romantic from the very start of the screentime they share or else it's not valid.
Never mind that it's still only in the earliest stages of beginning in the ending.
It's not like it went "Hello Asami, my friend and only friend, nothing more" and five minutes later they're scissoring. The ending is simply the first time they acknowledge their feelings have grown beyond friendship.
It was shown, only in very subtle ways. Mostly because they couldn't how it directly for obvious reasons, but that worked out pretty well. It's the small things, not everything has to be spelled out and thrown viewers face. The letters, the blush, the perfect trust and coordination, somebody noted all the hints down at some article and I can only agree. It was there the whole time, just not that obvious as most other things in the show.
What does this even mean? Lots of people in this thread have criticized TLOK on numerous points where they just pull stuff out of their ass with no explanation. The Korrasami ending is hardly the worst offender of that, but it's not at all unreasonable to expect that the show would give more development to the final romantic relationship of its main character. It's not really about believability, it's about whether the show did the legwork to get to the point they wanted to end at. And that wasn't the case, especially after how much Asami was marginalized in Books 2 and 3. And that has nothing to do with them being the same gender, either; I think the Korrasami ending was infinitely preferable to Korra going back to Mako or some shit like that, given how terrible their relationship in Book 2 was.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Well its hard not to think that when you blatantly ignore the fact that romances aren't as cut and dry as something out of a Bioware game. Looking backwards, its so obvious that Korrasami was developing. Becoming friends is part of developing a romantic relationship.
Movies and TV shows have, for decades, had subtle or hidden homosexual relationships simply because they could not get away with it being overt.
See all the people still in denial about Dumbledore, even with the author blatantly stating it.
Or hell, a certain video game DLC from the past year which was really blatant and still had people crawling out of the woodwork denying it.
See all the people still in denial about Dumbledore, even with the author blatantly stating it.
Or hell, a certain video game DLC from the past year which was really blatant and still had people crawling out of the woodwork denying it.
Fbh
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Finally had the time to watch this.
The chapter itself was great. Good production values and some truly awesome action scenes and well choreographed fights (Damn, I wish we had more anime with Korra style action scenes).
They managed to make it feel like an exciting climax to the story arc.
My only 2 problems:
- Korra felt kind of useless: I know this season was more about her evolving as a character. But for a show called the Legend of Korra she just didn't feel very relevant this season. That final scene with the super charged weapon and the spirit portal felt like a last minute idea to actually make her relevant during the finale.
While it feels like the writers have tried to make this past 2 seasons about Korra figuring out her role as the Avatar, to me they have felt like the core message was "The World doesn't need the avatar anymore".
- The Korrasami thing.....lol what?
Look, I'm all for diversity and I think this could have worked. But the way they handled it felt like it came out of nowhere. It's not a relationship they have been building up AT ALL during these last 4 seasons. Hell, they didn't even interact that much during this season other than "it's nice to see you again" "I've been talking with my father".
Given their history and relationship, even that final scene with Mako felt WAY more natural to lead into a romatic moment.
Still, great show and great finale.
I really hope we get more Avatar in the future. Be it more Korra or a new show.
The chapter itself was great. Good production values and some truly awesome action scenes and well choreographed fights (Damn, I wish we had more anime with Korra style action scenes).
They managed to make it feel like an exciting climax to the story arc.
My only 2 problems:
- Korra felt kind of useless: I know this season was more about her evolving as a character. But for a show called the Legend of Korra she just didn't feel very relevant this season. That final scene with the super charged weapon and the spirit portal felt like a last minute idea to actually make her relevant during the finale.
While it feels like the writers have tried to make this past 2 seasons about Korra figuring out her role as the Avatar, to me they have felt like the core message was "The World doesn't need the avatar anymore".
- The Korrasami thing.....lol what?
Look, I'm all for diversity and I think this could have worked. But the way they handled it felt like it came out of nowhere. It's not a relationship they have been building up AT ALL during these last 4 seasons. Hell, they didn't even interact that much during this season other than "it's nice to see you again" "I've been talking with my father".
Given their history and relationship, even that final scene with Mako felt WAY more natural to lead into a romatic moment.
Still, great show and great finale.
I really hope we get more Avatar in the future. Be it more Korra or a new show.
googleplex
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I'll free to ignore things about the Legend of Korra that were not shown in the Legend of Korra. As a viewer I can only judge what was shown to me. There was nothing obvious about Korrasami. All the 'subtle hints' hints people keep talking about points to nothing but Korra and Asami being best friends.
This is some bullshit. None of the buildup counts because....pandering. It's a lame excuse.
Joe Prodigy
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It's kind of funny remembering the season 1&2 threads and people complained there was too much romance story with Korra and Mako. Now season 3&4 keep the romance subtle and people say Korra and Asami came out of nowhere.
Why is it so unbelievable that friends can't develop feelings for each other? Honest question.
Fbh
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Sure they can, but to be believable you have to show the relationship slowly growing from friendship to more than that.
You don't just wake up a morning feeling like "you know what?, I'm now in love with my friend"
See, you've decided that, but you're trying to use this (questionable) interpretation as "proof" that the romance came out of nowhere.
You're dismissing the buildup as "just friendship" which is the whole problem. You can't dismiss the build up then claim there was no buildup at all.
It feels like you're starting with a conclusion "it came out of nowhere and it's a fact that it was pandering!" and working backwards.
I think those of you saying his argument is about it being a lesbian relationship are barking up the wrong tree. Let's show some respect to each other, and assume none of us are homophobic shitlords until it is made explicit.
This is the sticking point that collapses googleplex's argument for me.
I've developed a relationship with a really good friend before. To a lot of people who knew us, it seemed to come from nowhere. Even for us it kind of did. Just a really good friendship graduated into something more.
Also, the way that the relationship was portrayed suggests it really is the beginning of this new dynamic. Something that has evolved from close friendship. It felt right how it was presented.
This is the sticking point that collapses googleplex's argument for me.
I've developed a relationship with a really good friend before. To a lot of people who knew us, it seemed to come from nowhere. Even for us it kind of did. Just a really good friendship graduated into something more.
Also, the way that the relationship was portrayed suggests it really is the beginning of this new dynamic. Something that has evolved from close friendship. It felt right how it was presented.
Uh, that's exactly what happened? They didn't go from "friends" to "banging" in five minutes. All that happened was they held hands. They may not actually begin a romantic relationship for some time after the ending, the ending is just their first open acknowledgement that they have feelings for each other beyond friendship.
googleplex
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Nothing "unbelievable" at all. But as a fan of the show , if something comes from no where the last 5 minutes of the show I have the right to question it and other people's interpretation of that event without being labled homophobic.
IF Korrasami was the writers intention then they fucking bungled it with no buildup and a hamfisted scene.
It's like arguing a brick wall. People have posted countless times examples of what you're asking for, yet you dismiss it because "lol just friends"
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nah this is bullshit son
there was fuck all buildup. we have korra's vague letters at the start of the season, which were in themselves kinda weird because in season 3 her and Asami a) never interacted and b) were platonic as fuck when they did
I mean I appreciate myself some well-written homosexual relationships in fiction but uh
this ain't well-written. hamfisted as fuck and felt like they were doing it to flash their progressive credentials. felt almost exploitative
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I think the real heroes here are the people who shipped Korrasami from season one.
They have endured through it all and are now valiantly rewarded for their efforts.
They have endured through it all and are now valiantly rewarded for their efforts.
JadedWriter
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Korrasami happens and this thread turns into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wo9IC9yBdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wo9IC9yBdU
Season 3 ends with Asami willing to leave her life to go with Korra to the water tribe to heal. Not exactly "never interacting."
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Deleted member 231381
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yeah but like
she didnt
EDIT: Also I'm not a shipper, have never shipped, and find the entire idea of shipping creepy, obsessive, and really quite strongly harmful to the development of good female characters, so I have no dog in this Korrasami vs. Korramon or whatever the fuck else you want fight. I'm just pointing out that them suddenly being star-crossed lovers was appallingly badly written and contrived
Because Korra wanted to be alone.
Why is Asami the only one that says that? Why is she the one that sees Korra breaking down in her room? Pure coincidence? Seems like pretty heavy stuff for a character to be involved in when they never interact.
All that time being told "it can't happen because it's a kid's show" and look where we are.
Holy moly I can hardly believe it.
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Season 1 is probably the best season of Korra. People here will say season 3 but that's because everybody here has a weird hard-on for Zaheer despite how poorly written he was. After season 1, you can probably abandon the series without any further regrets.
Admiral Woofington
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googleplex you're not going to convince anybody on their side. The fact that is that it was heavily implied. The argument on my side is that yes I had zero reason to believe it would happen because of the writing, but it did. It isn't going to do me any good to rationalize what Bryke did when they did it as fan service, so at this point it's safer to just move on. It's similar to the "Dumbledore was gay" situation in a sense. Not entirely but that's the one thing of recent memory I can think of.
Fbh
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And where did those feeling beyond friendship come from?
Asami has hardly had any screentime this past few seasons and she hardly even interacted with Korra this season.
Again, that's not how most relationships go. You don't go from friends to having feeling for eachother in 5 minutes
That's a shame. While the game was fun, I'd at least give season 3 a go. At least it has a great finale.
googleplex
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I'd say it's all worth watching but if you don't watch season 3 you're really missing out IMO.
Seriously. Korra and Asami had lunch together in the first half of the season and then basically didn't interact again until the finale. And in the three years before that lunch, Korra had written a whopping one letter to Asami. I've complained before that there was no reason for Asami to keep interacting with the Krew after Book 1, and this is a continuation of the same phenomenon. She basically has no purpose, either in the story or (apparently) in her own life except to be there for Korra and/or Mako when they decide they need her. At least in Book 4 she got to do stuff with her business and inventing things, so it was better than Book 2 in that regard.
I have no idea where all the accusations of homophobia are coming from since people have been complaining about the mishandling of Asami's character for two years now.
No joke, but I remember when they put out that song before the film's release and that alone garnered interest in that film. Love that theme.
My appreciation for it grew when I found it was the same guy who does the Game Of Thrones soundtrack. Vastly different works. Dude has some mad talent.
JadedWriter
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Dumbledore being gay wasn't like korrasami, though. Dumbledore had never been in a situation before where his sexuality or relationship status was important for the reader to know, so it's not like him being gay or having gay relationships came out of nowhere in an important sense, they came out of nowhere because there was nowhere they had been relevant before, which is fine. It'd be like saying Dumbledore actually has a minor scar on his left ankle - sure, came out of nowhere, but given it's not ever been relevant before, the fact we hadn't encountered it before is fine.
Korrasami have been in situations before where their relationship status or feelings towards each other were important for the reader to know - I'd have fucking loved some development of the relationship between the two throughout S3 and S4. it'd have given Asami actually something to do instead of being a basically useless character and would have given Korra a social dynamic to work - and yet in almost alll these situations where it would have developed either the plot or them as characters to show their budding relationship, nothing gets shown. So, it happening at the end comes out of nowhere in the bad sense, because there are so many situations where having these two characters bonding further would have been super relevant and generally just super good writing, and yet we don't see it, so you can't really blame lots of people for going "da fuck is that contrived" at the end.
YES! I adore the hell out of this theme. It's great in the actual film, too, during the opening credits.
Funny you know him from GOT, I know him from the best Iron Man soundtrack.
The man is great, though.
You peeps are forgetting the greatest, though.
YES! I adore the hell out of this theme. It's great in the actual film, too, during the opening credits.
Funny you know him from GOT, I know him from the best Iron Man soundtrack.
The man is great, though.
You peeps are forgetting the greatest, though.
All of this talk of soundtracks got me thinking about Metal Gear Rising. Then I realized I sold my 360 a while ago and have no way to replay the game. Maybe I should finally upgrade my PC. 4GB of DDR2 isn't doing me much favors either.
The Korea and Asami scene at the end, if Korra was a guy, would've totally ended with a kiss. I understand why they didn't do it though, kids show in the US where gay marriage is still mostly illegal, but it would've worked I think.
If Korra was a guy, with the same amount of setup with Asami in S3 and 4, there wouldn't be a single complaint if they ended the show with a kiss.
If Korra was a guy, with the same amount of setup with Asami in S3 and 4, there wouldn't be a single complaint if they ended the show with a kiss.
Ugh. I sold the game, but kept my 360. Though I can revisit the soundtrack whenever I want.
But it's not the same as kicking the Senator's ass. =(
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