speculawyer
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The Seinfeld episode summed it all up. Not sure there is much more to say about the topic than that.
Is it wrong to look if someone is showing cleavage?
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It doesn't matter if men or women look or if it's for her date or others. Bottom line is she knows attention is coming and she is ok with it.
freenudemacusers
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nothing wrong with looking, that's kind of the point of such garments. like a dude wearing a tight tank top or some other manslut apparel.
being creepy about it is another thing. and if you need an explanation of what 'being creepy' means you are beyond help.
being creepy about it is another thing. and if you need an explanation of what 'being creepy' means you are beyond help.
TwEE-N-Toast
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People's use of creepy kind of creeps me out.
You said it's encouraged; that's not remotely true for all women. They may "expect" it because they aren't naive; but it's not necessarily why they are dressed that way. They might actually dislike some or all of the attention they may or may not receive.
3 women go out dressed provocatively:
Women A might literally be upset that nobody commented or stared, because that's what they wanted.
Women B might have just wanted to look good and not mind some looks, but was annoyed at comments or staring.
Women C might have gotten exactly the amount of attention they desired.
Your statement was way too black and white to be taken seriously, and it's certainly not true that all forms of attention are "encouraged" by all people dressed certain ways.
Pai Pai Master
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is it not creepy to stare at someone's tits?
apparently some people should because they missed out on learning about certain parts of normal human interaction
terrisus
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Because everyone in this topic watches Seinfeld.
freenudemacusers
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depends on how much cover you paid to get in.
molnizzle
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apparently some people still don't understand that sometimes there are things about yourself that you can't change regardless of how badly you might want to
entremet
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I hope you're aware that many heterosexual women look at cleavage all the time too. My previous GFs were more obsessed than me.
Don't be so uptight.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The problem part is that you apply your problems to everyone because you find it universally relatable when it's actually just you.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Its not just him. I relate too and there's many more in this very thread.
I'd suggest you learn a little empathy, sorry we're not all perfect like you.
How do I implement PUA into this? Is there an algorithm of how many times I can look before they fuck me?
From a behavioral science perspective that literally makes no sense.
LOL, I'm well aware. When there is a woman nearby worth checking out I say to my wife "Did we forget to buy dog food?" (we don't have a dog) We are respectful but quite perverse.
Just saying being distracted by cleavage is a lot more obvious at times to the person you are trying to check out; checking out asses is a little easier but it's not like other people don't notice you.
I'm not uptight; I'm also not naive.. there are definitely lots of people judging anyone they catch even glancing at a woman's ass.
lem0n
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Yup.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why do I need empathy for the argument that we're just dumb and can't control our biological urges? It's just lazy arguing and making excuses for one's own behavior.
molnizzle
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It's not just me though. I'm just willing to admit it because I'm self-confident and don't really give a fuck what anyone on NeoGAF thinks of me. ;-)
entremet
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You've condemned most of the human population, including women as creepy then.
Sure, hard on awkward stares, yes. But everyone notices cleavage.
Also most of us have a wide angle of vision, you can look without being "creepy".
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TwEE-N-Toast
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In and off itself of course not, it's a magical thing. They're context sensitive.
Pai Pai Master
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Per the OP though we're talking about long or continuous looks, not just noticing. He says every time his coworker talks to him he can't look away from her tits.
I know most people like to look, including women. As I said there's nothing wrong with looking and appreciating. But if you decide to stare longingly into them for an entire conversation or your only interactions with someone involves looking at their tits, then yeah we're talking creepy.
MarkMclovin
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Nah man, go ahead and take a peek now and then. Just don't stare.
There's nothing more pleasing to a mans eyes than a lovely pair of pushed together boobies.
There's nothing more pleasing to a mans eyes than a lovely pair of pushed together boobies.
freenudemacusers
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just tell em their cleavage is uneven as a set opener. mathematical formulas only come into play once you've established this groundwork.
entremet
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You're right.
Especially as coworker. OP needs to get laid more often it seems. Or learn the art of the indirect gaze lol. Most of learn this by the time we're pre-teens. Surprised the OP hasn't figured that one out.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Show me where I said I'm staring. You're wrong and you're putting words in my mouth to somehow prove a point.
Apparently in your world, glances and the temptation to look = STARING LIKE A CREEP?
Pai Pai Master
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haha yep, I learned my lesson after MANY times being caught by the hot girl in class. no one wants to relive that shit outside of middle school.
"every time we communicate or I look at her, my eyes revert to her breasts."
Yes it's not staring. But that's creepy yes. You can learn to converse with another person without automatically looking at their body parts every time. Especially in a work environment.
It must really suck for women, because their very bodies have been so festishized at this point that pretty much any way they dress will be seen as "advertising."
Low-cut top? She must WANT you to look at her boobs!
At the gym? Those yoga pants man! HNNNNNNGGGGGG
In business attire? Man I LOVE women in pencil skirts. HNNNNNNGGG
Wearing an over-sized sweater? I love girls in baggy clothes. Makes them look so petite and girly.
And if any guy determines that you're advertising, they feel that should give them the right to openly leer at you without being considered a creep...
Low-cut top? She must WANT you to look at her boobs!
At the gym? Those yoga pants man! HNNNNNNGGGGGG
In business attire? Man I LOVE women in pencil skirts. HNNNNNNGGG
Wearing an over-sized sweater? I love girls in baggy clothes. Makes them look so petite and girly.
And if any guy determines that you're advertising, they feel that should give them the right to openly leer at you without being considered a creep...
entremet
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I comes down to the fact that men design most of women's clothing and women, in general, prefer form fitting clothes.
They make baggy alternative to women's clothing--pant suits, baggier pants and jeans, but they don't sell as well.
chaobreaker
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So much biotruthing here.
Sorry ladies, us guy can't help being creeps. It's in our genes or testosterone or something. It's just natural, man! We've been staring at cleavage since the caveman days so why stop now?
Sorry ladies, us guy can't help being creeps. It's in our genes or testosterone or something. It's just natural, man! We've been staring at cleavage since the caveman days so why stop now?
I've seen similar arguments online by bigots justifying their racism.
What's the bullshit part? That straight men face less societal pressure to not be creepy in their appreciation of a female?
I wasn't aware that was a such a controversial opinion.
Pai Pai Master
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it's basically the less heinous version of "she was asking for it"
terrisus
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On the topic of: "Why do people edit their posts to respond to later posts?"
freenudemacusers
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are you snitching?
terrisus
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Pointing out that it's not conducive to the flow of discussion, and that the guy in charge agrees.
freenudemacusers
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HellofaMouse
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i remember once i was staring into empty space, didnt even notice there was a big pair of boobs right in the center of my view.
she was looking at me like i just punched her mother in the face. didnt even try to explain myself, just walked away.
she was looking at me like i just punched her mother in the face. didnt even try to explain myself, just walked away.
Fenderputty
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My wife has large enough breasts that shirts which wouldnt be considered low cut show cleavage. So the assumption that if they're out there, it's been done with intent is a faulty one.
That being said, don't be a creep and its par for the corpse. Half the people gawking at my wife's boobs are women as well. Boobs seem to be universally loved.
That being said, don't be a creep and its par for the corpse. Half the people gawking at my wife's boobs are women as well. Boobs seem to be universally loved.
I don't know what you're getting at here.
A few weeks ago a coworker came over and leaned over for quite a while in front of me and gave me a huge down blouse shot, I mean I'm fairly certain if I looked down I could probably see her navel. Keeping my eyes on her face was very very difficult. But I did it. Now that's bad? Wha?
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
According to some people in this thread if you've ever looked at cleavage than that means you're probably a rapist and a racist.
Point to one poster in this thread who has said or even implied that.
Most sense I've heard all day.
Nice strawman.
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