This doesn't mean shit worldwide.
Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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This doesn't mean shit worldwide.
Duxxy3
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I don't see any sales data from Microsoft or Nintendo today...
am I missing something?
Crimson_Gold
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One for yourself and the other for Wade?
I bought 2. 1 for me and the other for
xxMExx
Well done Sony
It means something. Just not that much when you get outsold worldwide.
You'll never get anything concrete from their PR.
Glorified G
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Would Transistor, Child of light or Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee New 'n' Tasty be "Mid-tier" and on disc 10 years ago? It's a fictitious label that doesn't need to be applied. For every "Mid-tier" shop that closes there are several meaty independent games that fill that void in spades.
As consumers gaming has never been as deep and varied.
Mikey Jr.
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That was back in November.
They sold 1.2 mil in Nov in NA....lets add another 600k for rest of world.
Who knows how much they sold in December. Apparently you sell more in December, so 1.5 mil in NA, and 700k in rest of world?
So 4 mill plus that 10 mill shipped, you get 13 mil sold through?
I pulled almost every number out of my arse.
neotokyo360
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Fantastic sales
Yeah, they can't seem to give away Xb1s in Japan, and Japan is still kind of a big deal.
BTW, is this huge user-base the reason PSN is fucking down, fucking AGAIN?
Poimandres
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Yes, 1.2 million is still a decent gap (nothing in the grand scheme) but the gap is much much larger than 1.2 million after 2014. I know you were talking about the gap closing in the last few months of 2014 though!
Also, it's actually pretty likely the PS4 outsold the Xbone worldwide during November/December despite Microsofts strong showing in the US/UK. That's why Microsoft specifically said they were the highest selling console in those regions for November, NOT the highest selling console worldwide.
Finally, for Microsoft to get back to 360 levels of US dominance the PS4 would have to stop selling in America. I just can't see it happening. The console is way too established already for that to happen in my opinion.
What is larger, the rest of the world or those two countries, in which PS4 is also ahead?
That was in 2013. Which means most of the current gap, which is much wider now (percentage wise and in absolute numbers), is from 2014.
Nightengale
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They never hit 10 million in November. They said they'll hit it "soon."
And that was shipped as well, not sold through.
That's not how it works. Shipped consoles have to be sold to consumers first before it counts as sold-through....(Sony's numbers are sold-through).
Sony could be at 20m shipped atm for all we know - or more. That 10m is more like 8-8.5m. By holiday's end, probably achieved 10m sold.
IAmRandom31
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It's always fun seeing people talk about NPD as if it is worldwide sales numbers lol.
Sony just said they sold 4.1 million consoles over the holidays alone. MS sold 1 mil or whatever in the US in November. Even with equal numbers in December that still leaves 2 million consoles to get somewhere else. Unfortunately the X1 is dead everywhere except the UK. So they likely got outsold by 1.5 mill or so during the holiday season.
Sony just said they sold 4.1 million consoles over the holidays alone. MS sold 1 mil or whatever in the US in November. Even with equal numbers in December that still leaves 2 million consoles to get somewhere else. Unfortunately the X1 is dead everywhere except the UK. So they likely got outsold by 1.5 mill or so during the holiday season.
AmaterasuOni
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Lizard Squad has been vocal about dropping PSN and XBLA for few days now. I guess they're hitting the servers again.
theprodigy
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haha what a joke, do you really think CoD only sold 20% on PS3 or something at its peak
not to mention GTA V probably sold even more (15m+) on PS3 alone, and though it isn't annual it is another third party game
The Artisan
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well the 360 technically had weaker hardware too, but it was kicking the Ps3's ass for a really long time.
not to mention, Microsoft's doing everything they can to make the xbone more powerful. 10% GPU boost sans kinect, sdk offers 80% more cpu power. not to mention they haven't even started applying dx12 to the xbone yet.
why did you buy two?
she's hot
again... the Ps3 was winning worldwide last gen too wasn't it? but the 360's popularity was SO strong last gen in the U.S that it was still able to maintain its TOTAL sales above the Ps3s. in other words, the U.S was carrying the 360, and it was working. who's to say it won't work again now with the xbone?
Birgitte2004
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It could just as easily be that 10 million shipped "soon" meant that they would reach 10 million with their holiday shipments, so all of those sales you are counting are already included in the 10 million.
We simply don't know, since shipping soon is such a wishy-washy phrase.
Manmademan
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Wiki quotes that number as ps3 only, but their sources aren't great. The best is a giant bomb article that puts it at 19 million between the 360 and PS3 as of august 2010.
http://www.giantbomb.com/modern-warfare-2/3030-24713/
This number appears to be HEAVILY tilted in favor of the Xbox though- Wiki quotes NPD as having the 360's sales at over double the PS3's for the launch month of november.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2#cite_note-videogamer1-91
So somewhere around 5-7 million sounds about right, if the 19 million figure is accurate. no way is there a 50/50 split between the two platforms, the 360 was just too dominant in the genre.
The PS4.
Neff
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This all sounds a bit console warrior-esque (not to mention being packed with defensive sarcasm, assumption and hyperbole), so I have reservations about replying to it, but FYI I'm not actually upset about PS4, or Sony's approach with it. It's a fine console and I'm glad I bought one. I'm merely noting the disproportion between what they're offering, which is sub-par in terms of hardware power and software compared to previous generations of Playstation, and their insistent, relatively empty boasts.
But hey, like I said, it's working. More power to them.
WhiskerFrisker
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Because the PS4 leads in all regions. The 360 had a sizeable lead in the U.S and UK. Microsoft doesn't have that this time. They could only shorten the gap, not eliminate it. And raising the price back to $399 isn't going to help them.
RespectThySole
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No way. They sold 1.2 million in the US alone in November. And most likely sold more than that in December since it's a 5 week month. I'd put that number between 1.4-1.5 million. That's already 2.6-2.7 million without adding numbers from the UK or anywhere else in the world.
There is nothing empty about the PS4 being the most powerful hardware among the 3 next-gen systems. Following tradition.
Sony's exclusives line up in 2015 is too packed for good measure.
Seems to me like an empty post.
MrCookiepants
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Because the PS4 is currently the number 1 console in the US by user base, whereas 360 was selling double whatever PS3 could manage. It's not gonna be like that this time.
shinra-bansho
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Preface: I don't think the PS4 has sold-through more than the XBO and WIU combined.
From recollection the last XBO numbers we were given was for "nearly 10M shipped." That was at around November 12th.
The comments were from iirc, Medhi in reference to impending holiday shipments.
I.e. that expected number would have at least in part been for Black Friday/holiday fulfillment. Ergo adding any known sell-through numbers to it is inherently flawed.
I believe, it's still too early to start taking shipments as sell-through for these systems.
Well then you better hope PS4 suddenly starts selling half as well the X1 in US as well as X1 somehow reclaiming the marketshare they gained in the rest of the world when the PS3 was a year late and double the price.
Off-Kilter
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That explains it
The Japanese reaction is just the Nintendo fanboys trying to dismiss the numbers as lies or not impressive, pulling the "no games" spiel(or they are all kuso western games) while mocking the low Japanese sales. And the Sony fans cheering on the numbers while being depressed that a lot of the industry in japan finds the console's success largely irrelevant in their continued push to mobile or handheld platforms.
The toxicity in those comments sections can rival yotuube in their childishness
Birgitte2004
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Well of course NPD does, the 360 had a huge lead in the US.
Call of Duty games do sell (somewhat) in other regions though, and in those regions the PS3 did much better.
AmaterasuOni
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Because the multiplatforms were better on 360, that's why. PS4 has the better multiplatforms this time around.
And you think Sony will stop development while Microsoft is pounding the hammer? Naughty Dog's ICE Team is already working their magic, not to mention Sony engineers.
Yes, but 360 had the best 3rd party versions. PS4 has that this time around. That's the game changer, the console mover, the system seller. Xbone has nothing over PS4.
MS had a year head start. They don't have that luxury this go and the PS4 install base is such that MS has virtually zero chance of outselling the PS4 in the US/UK to offset their anemic WW numbers.
This gen is over as far as determining who the sales leader is. It is and will remain Sony.
One reason, the PS4 leads in MS's strongest markets (US/UK).
Also congrats to Sony on these amazing numbers. It's a shame Japan seems to have given up on the console market.
Funny, specifically the bolded part.
Nothing Microsoft does via software can make Xbone more powerful. It will alway have the same amount of power, they can only try to use it more effectively. It will always have the same low bandwidth memory and weak GPU.
theprodigy
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it's funny how you're extrapolating US=world in a thread that shows how it doesn't work
the rest of the world favors PS3, and while the built-in lean is probably too much to bring it to 50/50, it is definitely closer than 60/40
(plus CoD peaked at ~26m)
WhiskerFrisker
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Which is already so little that it's negible compared to U.S/UK numbers.
DragonKnight
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Great numbers. Now hopefully the quality of the games can come up.
Chobel
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In Sony PR, the holiday season started at November 23rd.
Crimson_Gold
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Care to expand on this?
How is PS4 sub-par in terms of hardware? There's never been a PlayStation home console with such a distinct power advantage over its competitors. PS4 leaves both Wii U and X1 in the dust, while no other PlayStation did that to the direct competitors before.
As for software, it's subjective. Pretty sure that with PS4 the raw number of released titles is higher than previous generation PlayStations. I don't remember any other PS having a very stellar lineup year one, either.
So I just don't know what's 'empty' about PS4.
nelsonroyale
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Hmm, that does seem a lot. With the Xbone doing good numbers as well, seems like people are [unsurprisingly] still into the home console experience. And why wouldnt they be? Gaming is a legit other medium.
The Xbone boost was likely mostly due to massive price cuts? If it was priced the same as the PS4 I doubt it would have sold much more, although the boost from the Halo remakes would have meant something.
The Xbone boost was likely mostly due to massive price cuts? If it was priced the same as the PS4 I doubt it would have sold much more, although the boost from the Halo remakes would have meant something.
Neff
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Mmm hmm...
I'm not refering to PS4 as empty, more Sony's hubris surrounding it relative to the fact that they really aren't doing a lot with it besides watching it print money.
But that said, if anyone was going to make a console which feels truly next gen, it was Sony, and I don't believe they achieved that.
1st Course
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That split is NPD which is US only. WW split should be closer consedring PS3/360 were about even in rest of world.
If you look at activision official 2009 report
http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...AD88B9D3/ATVI_2009_Annual_Report_-_FINAL2.pdf
Revenue from Xbox wasn't actually that much higher from PS3 which suggests split was about even outside US.
Unless Sony has an unprecedented screw up (which "probably" can't happen) and MS throws down absolutely monumental amounts of cash (which won't happen due to investors being really upset already)... it's over. This gen is decided.
Considering Sony's first parties will be kicking into gear and their other exclusives this year on out, it's only going to get better for them.
14.5 million sold as of nov.15 according to sony. that means 4 million ps4 were sold in the six weeks after. We know 800k were moved in November and can assume about the same for December. Japan's numbers are small so that leaves Europe making up a massive chunk of that number. I know Sony is market leader is most of Europe but what have their holiday sales been like in previous years?
The wii was supply constrained for about two years. Ps4 is doing well but its no wii. Hard to say if well ever see anything quite like the wii again.
The wii was supply constrained for about two years. Ps4 is doing well but its no wii. Hard to say if well ever see anything quite like the wii again.
Teletraan1
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Pretty impressive it is selling at that rate. Sure it didn't beat the Wii in raw numbers but for its comparative price point and lack of Ellen buzz selling to people normally outside of the market for such a device its sales are impressive. It sold to mostly gamers with a high attach rate at a moderate price at a really good clip. Good job.
rokkerkory
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gigantic congrats to sony! they deserve it!
MrCookiepants
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You are bad at this and you should stop. CoD sells gagbusters everywhere (even Japan) and the PS3 version was always comfortably on top of the European charts.
This is why NPD is absolutely cancerous for sales discussion. We might as well be using Chartzzz, because they paint a more accurate picture than this warped reality everyone has in their minds.