Rewatched now, ah yeah I see! That's an odd one, I don't think I've experienced a freeze like that before. I actually thought it was the video player lagging
Halo 5: Guardians Beta Thread | Hot Red on Blue Action
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Rewatched now, ah yeah I see! That's an odd one, I don't think I've experienced a freeze like that before. I actually thought it was the video player lagging
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Couldn't find anything wrong....
Gravemind IV
Member
Oh the glory of facing an Onyx premade with 3 unranked, yes oh great MM deity, punish me more!
billmcdougal
Member
That makes sense. If you get approximately 1.0 KDR when being matched against other bronze 1 players, it seems like Bronze 1 is the correct tier for you. If you start destroying them more often than not, you'll bump up.
D Bo Chops
Member
Dude, do u like not have a single friend or two to play with and make a damn team if you keep bitching about randos? Theres TONS of competent players in this thread sharing their gamer tags to make teams. Plus, even good players on my team will have a shit game once in a while... it happens to everyone and no one cares.
RowdyReverb
Member
I think when the final game is shipped and it sells millions and people attain ranks in most playlists, skill-based matchmaking should work really well. The rankings seem very intuitive and should lend themselves to accurate skill matching.
One suggestion I'd make is to make the post-game performance point calculation more transparent. e.g. -3 points for losing to a Semi-Pro, -6 points for losing to a Silver, +4 points for positive K/D etc. I think this would help keep people from feeling frustrated or cheated by the ranking system.
ffejeromdiks
Banned
Gotta admit I'm loving the beta now that I've mastered the controls. I was an inch away from giving up on Halo (still cant play several MCC playlists, never been in a BTB match 
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But I'm beyond thrilled that the beta actually works as intended. Gameplay is really polished for a game thats 9 months out. Visuals are a bit underwhelming, but thats to be expected this early. Looking forward to seeing it evolve.
) But I'm beyond thrilled that the beta actually works as intended. Gameplay is really polished for a game thats 9 months out. Visuals are a bit underwhelming, but thats to be expected this early. Looking forward to seeing it evolve.
TheAngryMonkey
Member
To anyone complaining about being matched with bad players,
Stop bitching. Seriously. You're ruining it for the new players who are trying to learn. There is entire group of people out there that are maybe used to CoD TTK or haven't played any FPS before and it's incredibly difficult for them to get on board the Halo hype train when established players are complaining about how bad they are.
I'm new to Halo and the skill gap is very real but I'm getting better. It's way more frustrating for me constantly being at the bottom of the list knowing that I'm dragging the team down. Imagine losing the match AND constantly watching a kill cam. Nothing you do seems to be working and all I want right now is to feel somewhat competent playing the game.
That said, I'm loving the beta so far. I just hope 343 irons all the connectivity issues as it seems like a lot of the ones that plague MCC are also affecting H5.
Stop bitching. Seriously. You're ruining it for the new players who are trying to learn. There is entire group of people out there that are maybe used to CoD TTK or haven't played any FPS before and it's incredibly difficult for them to get on board the Halo hype train when established players are complaining about how bad they are.
I'm new to Halo and the skill gap is very real but I'm getting better. It's way more frustrating for me constantly being at the bottom of the list knowing that I'm dragging the team down. Imagine losing the match AND constantly watching a kill cam. Nothing you do seems to be working and all I want right now is to feel somewhat competent playing the game.
That said, I'm loving the beta so far. I just hope 343 irons all the connectivity issues as it seems like a lot of the ones that plague MCC are also affecting H5.
Leyasu
Banned
Not common. The game does have terrible lag issues when you play out of region though. But when you are playing on dedicated servers in your region.... The game is truly amazing! Get back on there.
ebullientprism
Member
Not really. I assume that 50% wins with 1.0 KD is a strictly average player. Not great. Not bad. Where as BT1 is the lowest tier.
You could go AFK. Lose 100% of your matches. Not get a kill or assist. And you are still in BT1. Same as anyone else.
Doesnt seem like an accurate ranking system.
KD has nothing to do with the team slayer rank.
Jawmuncher
Member
Just played a match.
It's not bad but it's not exactly great either.
Better than 4 from what I have played. The announcement of respawns was really annoying. Basically forces the battles to take place in the same areas rather than all over the map like other halo games when people would do their rounds while waiting for respawns. Also the chatter needs to go. I don't need to hear every single thing my team mate is doing. If they really take the feedback to heart though should be a good MP game though for Xbox One MP. Speed is a lot faster but I just have to get used to it so I don't mind that. Same with the control layout. Too much Halo 2 still has me off when things change.
It's not bad but it's not exactly great either.
Better than 4 from what I have played. The announcement of respawns was really annoying. Basically forces the battles to take place in the same areas rather than all over the map like other halo games when people would do their rounds while waiting for respawns. Also the chatter needs to go. I don't need to hear every single thing my team mate is doing. If they really take the feedback to heart though should be a good MP game though for Xbox One MP. Speed is a lot faster but I just have to get used to it so I don't mind that. Same with the control layout. Too much Halo 2 still has me off when things change.
link1201
Member
I am not sure I follow. There has to be a bottom rank. If you are BT1 then that's what you are until you start to win consistently to get out of that lowest rank.
1.0 KD is ideally what the system what's to produce out of everyone. If you have a 15 KD spread you are not properly ranked you should be higher or getting ranked up. I don't see this system as a metric to show personal skill in a vacuum. It's a means to get games that are fun and competitive which they have been in my experience at least. I would love to know what kind of data 343 is seeing with this system.
KD is irrelevant to the ranking system for team slayer. It is wins and losses.
link1201
Member
I understand, I was just making the point that if you are dominating your opponents you should rank up. A 1.0 kd would be the product of the ranking system working ideally. You should be evenly matched with your opponents.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
If you're dominating your opponents in the right way, you're gonna win enough to end up where you belong.
link1201
Member
That's what I'm saying.
ebullientprism
Member
Even ignoring KD, if 50% wins gets you placed in the same tier as 10/20/30% wins of an AFK guy then its really not doing a great job with wins/losses either.
Ol No Bones
Banned
You formed quite an opinion based on a match.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Where should the person that is getting 50% wins in the lowest bracket go then? A lower bracket? lol
If they go higher artificially, they will lose more, and go back down a bracket.
Or perhaps you are wanting AFKers to have their own bracket?
link1201
Member
Well that depends. Is that winning 100% of the time against BT1 and losing 100% against BT2? The AFK player is perhaps getting lucky and getting on teams that can win without him but I can't believe he'd get "lucky" enough to be carried very far in the ranks by going afk.
ebullientprism
Member
Thats just impossible to test though since you arent doing 1v1s. As a BT1 you can (purely from experience) get matched against people anywhere from BT1 to Gold 1, sometimes every variation of that in a single game. Doing better or worse against other players individually seems irrelevant since the game seems to consider only Wins and losses at the end of the day.
Then there is the other problem that you can lose a game and be the worst player in the team or the best player in the team. The game seems to not differentiate between the two. Individual skill seems to be lost because the system is heavily (or entirely) weighed towards Wins and losses.
Since you are playing slayer (a game purely based on KD) I think there should be other factors like your KD weighed in (perhaps not as strongly as WL) towards your ranking.
Aw yeah got Semi pro finally. 33/37 games in slayer and hovering around a 7 kda. I've been playing tons of semi pro / pros for a while now so shit is getting intense and my kda is getting mauled. Oh well, ranking system working as it should. I've got no complaints. Best ranking system and matchmaking I've seen since h3.
It's scary how long it's been since halo had a competent ranking system.
It's scary how long it's been since halo had a competent ranking system.
link1201
Member
I can understand what youre saying. I do believe there are adjustments made to how many points are lost or gained depending on who you lose or win to. I also agree that seeing such variation isnt a lot of fun. I would imagine its extremely complicated to account for not just one but 4 players on each team and their varying skill, especially when you have a friend/party system that allows for teams of varying ranks.
Of course. The point is that you should be matched with players of similar skill and as your skill increases, you should continue to be matched with players of similar skill.
Love, Ranked Master Race
No. I played most of my 5000 H3 games in Social and I prefer it that way.
you had a lag moment so you stopped playing? wtf?
No you won't. Not if you are matched with crap players. I consistently get 1.7-3.0 KD and I'm stuck in Bronze II because of my crap teammates.
That was probably your connection causing that, if everyone had of lagged due to the server then they would have likely found it difficult to kill you.
The Real Napsta
Member
Are you the guy who threw his 360 out a window or whatever?
Yeah same with me. My friends really don't like this game so I play by myself. I shouldn't be penalized for that even when I have a good game, nor should I have to find a team to play with. Also I'm constantly getting matched up with AFK people or quitters which doesn't help lol.
I"m just not a fan of the ranking system.
There are more odds that crappy players will be on the other team if you are not crappy. Given that there are 3 randoms on your team, and 4 on the other. If it is consistently against you, it is due to you either playing against mostly parties, or you are to blame for your team member's performance.
You could just have easily been on the other team.
Gravemind IV
Member
This game has absolutely no concept of what fair teams are.
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Since when did anyone ever gets a fair team in Halo if it wasn't by luck?
You either enter with a party of four including yourself or people should stop moaning about it.
No, you're thinking about TMCC Kappa
Ranking system has some weird kinks. Wish it was explained better. But I think it works.
If you're placed too low qualifying, you're gonna eventually ride up. If you place to high because you were carried, you're gonna eventually drop unless you keep playing with the same team carrying you.
I'll echo ram's statement that when I solo I win some and lose some, but the competetion is a lot better.
When I play with a party of 3+ and at least 2 of us are pro/semi pro all our games are within 10-15 points.
Complaining about bad teammates and uneven teams has been a thing since Halo 2 Online. Hell... it's a thing in any competition. Even when you're on the playground picking teams for capture the flag or basketball or football or whatever... Sometimes you get luck with an even team. Sometimes you intend for it to be as even as possible but one team is clearly better. I've had instances where I played some kind of sport or activity and we thought the other team was stacked.... but when we played we obliterated them.
To expect close games and even teams all the time is unrealistic. If you want more instances of it, play with people of similar skill to you.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
That's lag. It's been ruining the experience for most of us. Especially non Americans.
rakkadakka
Member
At release I'm probably going to stick to the non-ranked playlists for this reason alone.
This is a beta but the inability for the ranked system to come up with close/fun games renders the whole system pointless.
I had a lot of fun playing ranked in Halo 3, didn't really matter the playlist, the games almost always felt close. That might have been due to the population of people playing or the system itself or just rose tinted glasses. My experience in solo ranked has been games where one side usually doesn't even make it to 30 kills before the match is over. I can count on my hand the number of games I've played where the score difference has been less than 10.
Of course you're going to have shit teammates or occasionally be the shit teammate. When the system itself fails to account for that in just about every match something is off.
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Happens to be my fav map currently xD
link1201
Member
I feel bad for you, honestly. I am sorry you haven't had any luck with it. The abundance of close competive matches I have enjoyed so far are one of the reasons I can't get enough of this game. I hope we get a sense of how well this worked overall in a post mortem from 343.
Gravemind IV
Member
Don't match people that search solo with people who party together? If it increases search times too much, set it to min. 2 people that can be a premade. The game is way too team based to justify matching teams with solo players. Maybe at iron or bronze it doesn't matter jack shit, but enjoy your game when it's a decent team, then it's a miserable joke.
Same with me. I hate Regret thats the map where i feel like Im getting hit from everywhere. Eden is much better then empire I think
No I couldn't, if they are in a party of 4. Plus it shouldn't be a dice roll whether I get to play with decent players so I can rank up. It should be based on your KDA mainly (say 60% at least) and then on W/L. That is skill based.
This, is not.
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
I actually like Regret. Least favorite for sure is Empire
That would make high ranked games total shit with people K/D whoring everywhere. W/L is the only way. Only winning matters in TEAM playlists.