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[outunderthestars]

wait he give you a video and you make a rebuttal with pictures?

well damn why don't you just post some PS2 bullshots to prove your point as well? :lol

a blurry shaky abortion of a youtube video didn't help, so I went and sought out screen shots. Maybe the developer should actually put out new shots if they don't feel that the last batch accurately represent the game.

 

[Vinci]

I'm honestly more surprised when something is announced for the 360 or PS3 that isn't a FPS or involve the butchering of massive numbers of people wandering the streets.

[I kid, I kid.]

and how outrageous of gaf to expect a whole year of consistent game releases from a game console

Yes, I'm sure Sony and Microsoft could fill in an entire year of gaming for their respective consoles each and every year by themselves.

 

[titiklabingapat]

But that's what a game console does. I mean...yeah, that's what I mean.

So we agree, yah?

 

[Teknoman]

I don't care what Western devs put on Wii, I don't think they'll ever make anything worthwhile on the Wii.

If Wii starts getting a lot of artsy games, and JRPGs then I'll be satisfied. I don't ask for much.

Dead Space should be pretty worthwhile. House of the Dead Overkill as well (that counts as western right?)

And if Dragon Quest X is headed to the Wii, im sure alot of JRPGs will pop up there before to take advantage of all those who bought the system in preparation for it. At least thats what I hope.

More high quality 2d games would be great too. A new Gunstar or Guardian heroes would go along great with S&P 2.

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

I generally think most high end developers are either too jaded or ego filled to work on a family console like, but I'm sure publishers WILL whip them into form eventually.

I think the Conduit even if it looks total meh will sell well because it's a game with a lot of effort put behind it, and it seems to stand out above the rest in features and visuals. The market on Wii is just begging for some quality software and the first to do it can really ride a great wave of success.

Issue though is that a lot of publishers seem to think they can get away by making cheap cash-ins, and non efforts game. I'm sure those companies that put effort into their work like Vanillaware with Demon Blade or Platinum games with Mad World and such will be greatly rewarded.

I'm going to make a wild prediction that both Mad World will outsell every PS2 game Clover studios made, and Demon Blade will be the best selling Vanillaware title.

 

[Slavik81]

and how outrageous of gaf to expect a whole year of consistent game releases from a game console

I hate to break it to you, but game consoles don't make games. The number of releases has little to do with the Wii itself. In fact, it doesn't have much to do with Nintendo, either. It's really up to 3rd party game publishers and developers.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Expectations are usually generated by what has come before. What has come before has been uglier than Gamecube for the most part. Hence when Wii games actually live up to the hardware's potential, there is much surprise.

 

[KevinCow]

a blurry shaky abortion of a youtube video didn't help, so I went and sought out screen shots. Maybe the developer should actually put out new shots if they don't feel that the last batch accurately represent the game.

Click the Watch in HD button, silly.

 

[Gully State]

I always thought that high end developers have no idea on how to innovate when it comes to controls. At least that's the impression I get from seeing the wii 3rd party stuff that's already out.

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

Dead Space should be pretty worthwhile. House of the Dead Overkill as well (that counts as western right?)

And if Dragon Quest X is headed to the Wii, im sure alot of JRPGs will pop up there before to take advantage of all those who bought the system in preparation for it. At least thats what I hope.

Well Tales of XXX was announced in the same time period as DQX was for Wii, so there is an all around shift to Wii. I'm sure more announcements are coming, but Nintendo really can't just expect all around third party support they have motivate it too, be it moneyhats for some big games, help in publishing.

They should really pick up some of the prospective third party projects that are out their for sale, they'd be stupid not to.

 

[Vinci]

I generally think most high end developers are either too jaded or ego filled to work on a family console like, but I'm sure publishers WILL whip them into form eventually.

Then they can take their artistic asses to the unemployment line. People need to stop treating them like rock stars.

Nintendo really can't just expect all around third party support they have motivate it too, be it moneyhats for some big games, help in publishing.

They should really pick up some of the prospective third party projects that are out their for sale, they'd be stupid not to.

They gave them an inexpensive console to develop on with a more diverse userbase than likely any in history, save the PS2. Why should they have to pay for anything?

 

[outunderthestars]

Click the Watch in HD button, silly.

I don't see an option for a higher quality video on that youtube page.

 

[Threi]

Click the Watch in HD button, silly.

no its not direct feed. And even if it was direct feed it won't be fully representative of what it will look like on my 120" OLED set.

Wii loses.

 

[outunderthestars]

no its not direct feed. And even if it was direct feed it won't be fully representative of what it will look like on my 120" OLED set.

Wii loses.

I'm not trying to troll the thread, I just still have not seen a single Wii game that managed to blow me away visually, without having to say "well it isn't bad for a wii game."

 

[Vinci]

I'm not trying to troll the thread, I just still have not seen a single Wii game that managed to blow me away visually, without having to say "well it isn't bad for a wii game."

Mario Galaxy didn't do anything for you? Seriously?

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

Then they can take their artistic asses to the unemployment line. People need to stop treating them like rock stars.



They gave them an inexpensive console to develop on with a more diverse userbase than likely any in history, save the PS2. Why should they have to pay for anything?

No offense but you really sound like a tool in many ways when you say sucha thing. Why do MS/Sony pony up cash to motivate developers, send them engineers, resources, build relations, secure exclusives but Nintendo should just sit on their asses hurdling all the money they can get.

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

They're totally slacking.

 

[sprocket]

to me that is not bad considering how much more powerful the 360 is and how much more ram it has.

not too mention it plays the exact same.

Some people are just going to hate no matter what.

 

[Gully State]

Mario Galaxy didn't do anything for you? Seriously?

If you're into more "realistically" grounded art styles, I could see how nothing on the wii appeals. Mario Galaxy looks great b/c of its art direction. Anything that will look gorgeous on the wii will be through its unique art style and not its technical prowess.

 

[KevinCow]

I'm not trying to troll the thread, I just still have not seen a single Wii game that managed to blow me away visually, without having to say "well it isn't bad for a wii game."

Well I guess that's the issue. You're not going to see stuff that will blow you away compared to stuff on the HD consoles. We're just pleasantly surprised to see stuff that actually looks better than what the Gamecube put out. It shows that the developers are actually trying to make a good Wii game instead of just throwing PS2 games with waggle on it or mutilating PS360 games and sticking them on it.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

No offense but you really sound like a tool in many ways when you say sucha thing. Why do MS/Sony pony up cash to motivate developers, send them engineers, resources, build relations, secure exclusives but Nintendo should just sit on their asses hurdling all the money they can get.

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

They're totally slacking.

...what? Got a source for that? That just sounds delusional. "MS/Sony LOVE developers and Nintendo hates them why should Nintendo get the devs??"

If the devs want the money, they should develop for Wii. Nintendo shouldn't have to cater to them as market leader (and even in last place.)

 

[outunderthestars]

Mario Galaxy didn't do anything for you? Seriously?

It was a really fun game that I truly enjoyed, but graphically it did not blow me away. Of course, it is mario so the art style is a bit more simple by design.

I like the wii, but mine has not been turned on in six months at this point.

 

[Threi]

I'm not trying to troll the thread, I just still have not seen a single Wii game that managed to blow me away visually, without having to say "well it isn't bad for a wii game."

Well you are left with three options, given that the Wii hardware is inherently underpowered. Be blown away by the art direction of the game, be blown away by the effects being pushed on the relatively underpowered hardware, or not be blown away, EVER.

For the first option I present you with Muramasa: Demon Blade or MadWorld.

For the second option I believe Overlord fits the bill, but if not I present you with The Conduit, or previous released games like Super Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3.

If neither blow you away, then you have to keep in mind the limits of the hardware. The Wii is not a PS3 or 360 and cannot be pushed as far. If you cannot keep that in mind when making a comparison then saying that no game blows you away is not very necessary at all.

 

[soldat7]

The longer a console is on the market, the better the games look. I think this is true for all consoles.

 

[Cipherr]

Those count as good looking? I want good Wii games too but companies' efforts haven't changed, your standards have just lowered.

Yeah, you need to lay off the narcotics. Dont be stupid. There is a clear difference between this years big games for the Wii and the stuff like Boogie, My word Coach, and SaTSR that were the Wiis "heavy hitters" in years past. Conduit MW and HOTD alone make those look like nothing.

 

[Gully State]

No offense but you really sound like a tool in many ways when you say sucha thing. Why do MS/Sony pony up cash to motivate developers, send them engineers, resources, build relations, secure exclusives but Nintendo should just sit on their asses hurdling all the money they can get.

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

They're totally slacking.

Not really, Nintendo has released more software in a shorter amount of time on the wii than any other Nintendo system. In the period of a year (2007), we got Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Paper Mario. If anything it's the 3rd parties that need to step up to the plate now that Nintendo has released all its big hitters.

 

[FightyF]

I like how this thread is lacking pics.

 

[Vinci]

No offense but you really sound like a tool in many ways when you say sucha thing. Why do MS/Sony pony up cash to motivate developers, send them engineers, resources, build relations, secure exclusives but Nintendo should just sit on their asses hurdling all the money they can get.

Sony and Microsoft moneyhat developers in order to provide incentive for people picking up their system. If Sony or Microsoft were capable of doing what Nintendo was doing now, they would without a moment's hesitation. But they can't. They're incapable of fielding their system effectively enough on their own and getting people to actually buy it. As far as I know, Nintendo isn't handing out cash money to get developers to make games for the DS. They're making games for it because it makes the most business sense to do so. They expect other developers to show some business acumen; and if they can't, so be it.

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

Gen ain't over yet.

They're totally slacking.

Slacking how? Because they're not a giant mega-corporation that will buy its way to success in the market and would rather be successful through actual good ideas and business sense? And I'd like you to show me how much Sony and Microsoft supported their new systems compared to Nintendo in its first 18 months. Their output was incredible, but they're too small a company to continue that pace forever.

EDIT: And if expecting business to make good decisions and game designers to get over their own egos makes me a tool, oh well. Welcome to reality.

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

...what? Got a source for that? That just sounds delusional. "MS/Sony LOVE developers and Nintendo hates them why should Nintendo get the devs??"

If the devs want the money, they should develop for Wii. Nintendo shouldn't have to cater to them as market leader (and even in last place.)

Even as market leader with an unprecedented lead with the PS2 Sony moneyhatted and helped co market games like GTA and MGS.

What's Nintendo's excuse?

 

[Threi]

I like how this thread is lacking pics.

well there are a couple of video links if you wa-

eh nvm who gives a fuck about videos. Pics are so much better

 

[soldat7]

I'm not trying to troll the thread, I just still have not seen a single Wii game that managed to blow me away visually, without having to say "well it isn't bad for a wii game."

Not even Okami? Sure, I'd give the edge to the PS2 version upscaled on a PS3 but Okami on either system beats most games on most platforms, IMO.

 

[Drinky Crow]

these aren't good looking games. they don't even pass xbox 1 muster. does the wii come with cataracts in the box, or is that something you mail into the fan club for?

 

[Vinci]

Not even Okami? Sure, I'd give the edge to the PS2 version upscaled on a PS3 but Okami on either system beats most games on most platforms, IMO.

Art design isn't as important as realism, it would appear.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Even as market leader with an unprecedented lead with the PS2 Sony moneyhatted and helped co market games like GTA and MGS.

What's Nintendo's excuse?

...again, source? I doubt MS and Sony are throwing cash and tech at third parties hand over fist.

Nintendo co-published Fatal Frame 4 and is going to market Dragon Quest 10 in the West, but I don't think any of this is as widespread as you think.

 

[outunderthestars]

Well you are left with three options, given that the Wii hardware is inherently underpowered. Be blown away by the art direction of the game, be blown away by the effects being pushed on the relatively underpowered hardware, or not be blown away, EVER.

For the first option I present you with Muramasa: Demon Blade or MadWorld.

Ok, Those two games do look awesome.


Glad to see some quality third party efforts to make up for the onslaught of truly marginal first and third party efforts out there so far.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

They're totally slacking.

Because they're focusing first on building a user base for their console that would be more receptive towards a new franchise?

Everyone acknowledges Pikmin as a great series, but because it was released on the GameCube, it didn't reach the full potential that it could have.

Nintendo wants to ensure that their new Mario/Zelda level IP can succeed on the level of Mario/Zelda before they actually do it.

I'm sure we're going to get something.

 

[Cipherr]

Even as market leader with an unprecedented lead with the PS2 Sony moneyhatted and helped co market games like GTA and MGS.

What's Nintendo's excuse?

Nintendo is co marketing games this gen from third parties, and Sony pulled WAY back on the money hats this gen. Because that shit is unsustainable. Completely unsustainable, you just cant keep handing out millions like that.

 

[D-Pad]

I have no vested intrest in Nintendo if they aren't going to try to satisfy core gamers, cycling Mario/Zelda is not enough in anyway. Why haven't they tried to create a nwe franchise on the level of Mario/Zelda this gen?

They're totally slacking.

P.R.O.J.E.C.T. Hammer and Disaster: Day of Crisis.

 

[Redd]

these aren't good looking games. they don't even pass xbox 1 muster. does the wii come with cataracts in the box, or is that something you mail into the fan club for?

:lol

 

[The Elite]

I guess my Wii is going to get some work in over the next few months. Lookin' good.

Now if they could make a Crusin' game with good graphics!

 

[Rhindle]

The simple answer is that publishers assume (correctly, for the most part) that the people who really care about graphics are not the same people who're doing most of their gaming on the Wii. Therefore investing heavily in building engines to squeeze the last bit of performance out of the Wii doesn't make a lot of sense from their perspective.

The Conduit was independently developed and funded by High Voltage. Not a lot of developers are able to do that. I think you'll mostly see more impressive output from Japanese developers over the next year or two, since HD console development isn't financially viable for many of them.

 

[Vinci]

I think you'll mostly see more impressive output from Japanese developers over the next year or two, since HD console development isn't financially viable for many of them.

I'm actually looking forward to this: Been a while since we've seen a real test of West vs. East. I wonder who will win.

 

[Threi]

these aren't good looking games. they don't even pass xbox 1 muster. does the wii come with cataracts in the box, or is that something you mail into the fan club for?

good to see ur trolling got u banned hahahahaha score 1 for wii fans

 

[Arde5643]

Art design isn't as important as realism, it would appear.

Shit, don't get me started about that this gen - there are very few games in the HD consoles that try advanced cell-shading akin to the Ubisoft Naruto games or some unique artstyle a la ICO/SotC.

For all the graphical prowess, it sucks that a lot of games use really boring artstyle and design in the current HD games (for both JP and Western publishers).

Of course, there's Mirror's Edge, PoP, and AssCreed so maybe more developers will start using more unique artstyle and design as this gen matures since right now I'm really really bored of the current look of games coming out for HD consoles.

/rant

 

[Aaron Strife]

P.R.O.J.E.C.T. Hammer and Disaster: Day of Crisis.

Hammer is still in development, supposedly.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I think ignorance has something to do with it. There are actually a few pretty good looking games on the Wii that most people have ignored.

This game has more shaders than most Wii games next to Galaxy. The texture resolution does leave a bit to desire, but there were some hidden gems in the Wii library before.

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

I think ignorance has something to do with it. There are actually a few pretty good looking games on the Wii that most people have ignored.

This game has more shaders than most Wii games next to Galaxy. The texture resolution does leave a bit to desire, but there were some hidden gems in the Wii library before.

Yeah but the game itself was probably atrocious.

 

[Bending_Unit_22]

It's not surprising that good looking games can be done on the Wii, it's just surprising 3rd parties are actually making some finally.

these aren't good looking games. they don't even pass xbox 1 muster. does the wii come with cataracts in the box, or is that something you mail into the fan club for?

:lol

good to see ur trolling got u banned hahahahaha score 1 for wii fans

:lol :lol :lol Unless that's sarcasm. You're not a junior which means you should know better, so I can't tell.

 

[sprocket]

I thought skate it looked really good and was really fun too.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

these aren't good looking games. they don't even pass xbox 1 muster. does the wii come with cataracts in the box, or is that something you mail into the fan club for?

My cataracts came with the body I inhabit.

 

[Guled]

Not just wii, but all gaming systems are getting a suprising amount of great games this year, epecialy the PC. 2009 looks to be one of the best years in gaming by far