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[DragonKnight]

What happened to naughty dog?

 

[Jonnax]

I'm going to bet that they had a look at the backlash they got about the graphics in the psx demo and realised that the people who shout about visual downgrades are louder than the people that would call them shit devs for 30.

Screenshots are what will be posted on sites and Uncharted.has aleays.been about flashy graphics.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I think it's quite simple really. I have never been able to tell if a game ran at 30fps or 60fps until I played TLOUR. I played for a while and then switched to 30fps and could see the difference. The following day I then played a game on my PS3 and I was back to not noticing. NOW, if this game can run at 60fps most of the time but drop drastically with huge set pieces, because I have a point of reference within the same game, I'm going to notice immediately. This will spoil my experience.

 

[Fret]

I really hope they don't do this.

I love gaming at 60fps, but I'll take a solid 30fps anyday over a roughly optimised game that oscillates between the two.

They should never have even said 60fps.

A game that goes over 30fps is far better than a 30fps locked game.

 

[Darklord]

I'd rather better graphics with more detail and effects than 60. I would pick Forza Horizon 2 and it's beautiful lighting and weather than Forza 5 with its 60fps. If I want a locked 60 then I'll get that on PC.

 

[Chobel]

Aiming doesn't imply achieving.

37 fps? That doesn't sound like aiming for 60fps to me.

 

[BigTnaples]

What happened to naughty dog?

They went from being great developers to God Tier developers.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

Really? Can you point that delusional contingent out?

Should I link back to the original Uncharted 4 trailer release from E3 2014?

Because if some of the posts in there were to be believed, with how hard folk fell for it, you'd have thought that the PS4 had UNLIMITED POWER™

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835985

 

[Jigolo]

What happened to naughty dog?

They are still aiming for 60 fps as it states in the op. Apparently nothing's changed.

 

[SSReborn]

60fps mp at least..?

 

[lukeskymac]

A game that goes over 30fps is far better than a 30fps locked game.

Only if you have Gsync.

Should I link back to the original Uncharted 4 trailer release from E3 2014?

Because if some of the posts in there were to be believed, with how hard folk fell for it, you'd have thought that the PS4 had UNLIMITED POWER™

So "WELL, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE IT". Weak.

 

[Earthpainting]

Unfortunate, but not entirely unexpected. I had high hopes with how they started this gen by talking about the benefits of 60FPS, but at the end of the day their priorities lie elsewhere.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

So you are arguing that devs should just appeal to the lowest common denominator for the purpose of sales?

Do you regard ND, as a studio, highly?

If what ND has been delivering the past 5 years is considered the lowest common denominator, then I want more. They have historically delivered on providing games tuned to exactly what their vision is, and it is a vision I enjoy. This game will certainly fall in line with this legacy of quality. Why should their trademark visual fidelity take a hit to appease a vocal minority?

 

[Shiina]

That trailer they showed looked more like a stable 25 with dips down to 15.

 

[Acquiescence]

They should stop beating around the bush and just lock it at 30fps while trying to make the best damn looking game they can muster.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

37 fps? That doesn't sound like aiming for 60fps to me.

What has what they've currently achieved got to do with what they're aiming for?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Demo still looked great, but it's obvious that ND shouldn't have mentioned that they were aiming for 1080/60 so soon.

Felt more like a statement to show how powerful the PS4 is that they can offer those debut trailer visuals at a consistent 1080/60 rather than something they actually knew they could deliver.

 

[Stereogatari]

An option to choose 60fps and take the graphical hit should at least be attempted. They did with 3D support last gen.

 

[Jigolo]

That trailer they showed looked more like a stable 25 with dips down to 15.

The joke is flying by me here. That OG trailer showed a locked 60fps cinematic.

Demo still looked great, but it's obvious that ND shouldn't have mentioned that they were aiming for 1080/60 so soon.

Felt more like a statement to show how powerful the PS4 is that they can offer those debut trailer visuals at a consistent 1080/60 rather than something they actually knew they could deliver.

Why shouldn't they have targeted 60 fps, again? They thought it was possible and they are still targeting it *but if it comprimises with something they want to achieve, they won't think twice about dropping*.

Just because neogaf always revieves "we're targeting 60 fps" as "yes, locked at 60 for sure" doesn't mean they shouldn't target or even mention that they are targeting it. This shouldn't even be as big news but this thread will be right up there with the NPD thread because of GAFs dumb obsession with 60 FPS, you can bet on that.

 

[Dictator93]

Really? Can you point that delusional contingent out?

In regards to GTA V being 30fps on PS4:

Nope, I think that maybe they could reach 60fps with extra development time, and they would be even glad to do so, but Rockstar didn't think it was worth the additional cost, that's all I am saying.

I am saying that a dev used to code to the metal is usually capable of yelding better performance.

And it will provide you with 1080p60fps glory this gen. Now, the point is, ND is a dev known for pushing the hardware as far as they can. Rockstar on the other hand probably thought that 1080p at 30fps was fine and called it a day.

There will always be some devs that work harder than others. What I am saying is that even if they could have the game running at 60fps with some additional work, they probably thought it wasn't worth the effort.

Give the game to the capable hands of Naughty Dogs and it could easily reach 60fps.

Well...

 

[KKRT00]

30 FPS Campaign
60 FPS Multiplayer

Please

That would be the best solution, i hope they are considering it, even if it meant using resolution scaling technique like KZ:SF.

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Btw, so ND are humans, not gods or wizards after all? Shocking news!

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

30 is fine.

 

[cyberheater]

But there were some people hoping it would be able to achieve bar raising graphics while also at 60fps because, well, that's basically what Naughty Dog said they were going to do.

The folks that want that are expecting too much from the hardware. It's too early in this generation for that kind of graphics and is in my opinion unfair on the developers.

Don't blame the people here, blame the expectations that Naughty Dog themselves created.

So we get to the point where devs won't say anything about games they are working on because folks will get their pitch forks out if the devs can't deliver their lofty ambition. Hardly reasonable behaviour is it.

 

[Kaleinc]

No need to panic

Particles, shading and shadows to medium for sweet 60 fps.

 

[Cornbread78]

I just want a fun ga me to play and I have complete faith in ND to deliver that, so..

 

[Fliesen]

A game that goes over 30fps is far better than a 30fps locked game.

37 FPS doesn't offer that much more fluidity over 30 FPS yet will have judder that some people are really perceptive to.

if you're close to 50 FPS the irregularities in drawn frames at least have the upside of perceived smoothness. 37 FPS should be locked to 30.

 

[Caayn]

Already backpedaling on 60fps, I wonder how 60fps impacts the user experience in a negative way that Naughty Dog talks about. Sounds like some PR spinning to me.

 

[Paertan]

I really hope they stick to 60fps. Few things compromises player experience more than cutting the framerate in half.

 

[Fret]

Only if you have Gsync.

It's a game. The experience is paramount, and when using a controller at locked 30fps, it feels pretty terrible. A bit of slight screentearing is nothing.

 

[Chobel]

Well...

LMAO!!!

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Already backpedaling on 60fps, I wonder how 60fps impacts the user experience in a negative way that Naughty Dog talks about. Sounds like some PR spinning to me.

No pretty graphics.

What has what they've currently achieved got to do with what they're aiming for?

I'll refer you to durante

This is a common sentiment, but I don't think it's accurate. In a title on a console, a solid 60 FPS doesn't just "come together", you need to plan everything (including assets) around it from the start.

 

[Opt1kon_]

Oh boy, here we go

 

[Toparaman]

Personally I would prefer the stylized realism of ND's PS3 games at 60 fps over the photorealism we're seeing in UC4 at 30 fps.

That said, photorealistic visuals are probably a huge draw to casuals.

Because 20s FPS PS3 TLoU won Neogaf GotY of 2013. You say that below 60fps is not acceptable but majority of our community vote for 20s fps game like TLoU.

Also this. GAF raved (and raved) about GTA V and TLOU, both games that regularly performed in the 20s. If even one of the most obsessive gaming communities turns a blind eye to performance as long as the overall game is good enough, why should Naughty Dog care?

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

The folks that want that are expecting too much from the hardware. It's too early in this generation for that kind of graphics and is in my opinion unfair on the developers.



So we get to the point where devs won't say anything about games they are working on because folks will get their pitch forks out if the devs can't deliver their lofty ambition. Hardly reasonable behaviour is it.

Devs could talk about the game and less about its "specs".

 

[Fret]

37 FPS doesn't offer that much more fluidity over 30 FPS yet will have judder that some people are really perceptive to.

if you're close to 50 FPS the irregularities in drawn frames at least have the upside of perceived smoothness. 37 FPS should be locked to 30.

Well I hope there's an option to unlock it then. Coming from PC it's difficult to play at 30.

 

[lukeskymac]

In regards to GTA V being 30fps on PS4:





Well...

So a bunch of posts that hardly fit all the criteria... all from the same poster.

Nice contingent there.

 

[cyberheater]

The only problem here is that Naughty Dog should not have made promises they can't keep.

LOL. They did not promise. They hoped they could get to 60fps and shared that hope with their fans.

 

[dmr87]

I don't expect them to get it to 60, and I rather have a rock solid 30 over a dipping 60.

 

[biglittleps]

Seemed to be clear they were never going to hit it with the early promises anyway. Doubt any but the extreme Sony faithful bought it.

they can but they want visuals, time and others as important instead 60fps because uncharted was 30 so far.

 

[robotrock]

60fps would be awesome, but I did play the other three Uncharteds just fine at 30fps.

 

[jmaine_ph]

Uncharted 3 running at a pretty stable 30 fps on PS3. I'll take uncharted 4 at a locked 30 fps if they can't hit 60.
http://youtu.be/w1x7L6-0JJE

 

[lukeskymac]

It's a game. The experience is paramount, and when using a controller at locked 30fps, it feels pretty terrible. A bit of slight screentearing is nothing.

If controller lag's your concern (it really shouldn't be), know that it can be polled at a higher frequency separately. NFS (Most Wanted? Hot Pursuit?) and Driveclub do this.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

What happened to naughty dog?

They make 95+ metacritic games that sell 5+ million copies on a single console.

 

[tuxfool]

They went from being great developers to God Tier developers.

Yup, just like with Gods, people have unreasonable expectations or just invented stuff about them.

It's a game. The experience is paramount, and when using a controller at locked 30fps, it feels pretty terrible. A bit of slight screentearing is nothing.

I hate screen tearing.

 

[Dictator93]

So a bunch of posts that hardly fit all the criteria... all from the same poster.

Nice contingent there.

Fits the idea of "cannot get 1080p 60 with crazy graphics, then you are lazy dev."
Also, that was just an instance I remembered. I cannot be an encyclopedia for other poster's postings.

 

[barit]

lol amazing

Well make SP 30fps and MP 60fps. I could live with that.

 

[bombshell]

Those graphics in the trailer were impressive for 60 fps (their stated target) so good in fact people said it can't be 60 fps. Now that we learn it's barely running at 40 fps it's not as visually impressive to me.

There's a difference between being "not as impressive" as running the same graphics at 60 fps and being "not impressive" at all. I can agree to the former, but you said the latter. For it to be not impressive, you would need to give example of a more impressive console game, like what I asked you to do.

 

[Fret]

If controller lag's your concern (it really shouldn't be), know that it can be polled at a higher frequency separately. NFS (Most Wanted? Hot Pursuit?) and Driveclub do this.

What? Why shouldn't it be? It's how I interact with the game

 

[lukeskymac]

Fits the idea of "cannot get 1080p 60 with crazy graphics, then you are lazy dev."
Also, that was just an instance I remembered. I cannot be an encyclopedia for other poster's postings.

I'm sorry, but I think "crazy graphics" is more nebulous than "PC-beating graphics".

 

[Fattony12000]

37fps locked for every game in 2015 please.

 

[lukeskymac]

What? Why shouldn't it be? It's how I interact with the game

Because the difference between 30fps and 60fps as far as input latency goes is negligible for most types of games (including this one).