How do African Americans feel about white American culture?
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ShirAhava
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Moonman
There aren't a lot of people in the US who really do that, though. You have to go make an effort, really go out of your way to even begin to avoid the dominant culture.
User 73706
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meth, crocs and people watching
Because it happens mostly in Colorado, and rich parts of new York
Mostly white parts.
Sheeeooit, if we had snow and mountains down in Miami id go ski
PeskyToaster
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It's a class thing that is racial because of institutionalized racism and reasons going all the way back to slavery. Those are expensive sports.
We all have to do our part to keep that thread alive.
WickedCobra03
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Yeah, but even a lot of vacationers go to each, and its always a sea of upper middle class and upper class white people.
Is it price of admission being so high, a cultural thing or what?
terrisus
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ITP: Vermont and New Hampshire don't exist
You're talking about Go-Gurt and stuff? That stuff is basically candy. It's all artificial.
You want some Greek or Bulgarian white culture. That's the real stuff.
Of course, with how many of these high quality yogurt brands are making their stuff in upstate New York nowadays, you might have an argument in saying it now belongs to America as well.
Anyway, these white cultures are really healthy and everyone should appreciate them, including African Americans.
I make my own culture.
I've seen it used as a dip for fries but that is more popular over in Euroland.
Sure. But it's a matter of degrees, isn't it?
There must be people who go out of their way to say, support African American musicians because they want to see them get more opportunities.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
You guys should probably make an effort to be around people that aren't white, especially if it's not in a public place.
The bold.
It's similar to some white people thinking that black people can't swim or don't like swimming. When really, it's because black people didn't have the luxury of growing up around swimming pools that they had access to.
New York, new England, same thing to us southerners
Didn't 2 Sony execs get into a lot of hot water jokingly assuming Obama does just this ?
Honestly, this thread is disgusting. So it's ok to joke about everyone's culture now ? Or is it just white people ?
Someone on this page said white culture is Meth and Crocs shoes. Seriously ? If I made a similar comment about black culture that'd be cool right ? Yeah fucking right.
The double standard in today's society is disgusting.
terrisus
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Don't lump New York in with us, they have no part in the New England conglomeration :þ
Necromanti
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People can't joke about their own cultures now?
roosters93
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bullshit
also bullshit
Why did you ask a silly question if you already knew the answer?
this post has got to be kidding but I don't really get the humour
assuming you were serious, there's famous Jewish people named Ezra. Ezra Miller, Ezra Koenig.
Yeah, there's people who do support media/businesses made by African Americans due to that reason (alongside them making content that's good in their opinion), but doing so doesn't mean automatically avoiding everything made by White people.
I know
That's what I was originally trying to ask, to what degree do people do this if at all.
Once again I didn't make my question clear from the start, totally my fault.
Just white people. Because they own and control everything. That's what you do. You make fun of the people in power because it's all you can actually do to them.
Ummm...because what I perceived the answer to be wasn't the point? I was getting the perspective of the person I talking to? That we both arrived at similar conclusions is the product of discussion.
Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to label posts "bullshit" if you're not sure what's being talked about.
I know
That's what I was originally trying to ask, to what degree do people do this if at all.
Once again I didn't make my question clear from the start, totally my fault.
Mine is strictly with fiction books. I will maybe once a year read a fiction book written by someone white but I generally only read non white ones. I also don't buy books written by white people unless I know them.
evilromero
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hmm
Man it's funny you posted this as I've been jonesing to play this again.
I have a question
Its a question about Jewish persons. Hope I'm not crossing that invisible line, but,
How come Hollywood has such a large representation of Jewish people? In the actual country they make up a small percentage of the population, yet in film and comedy, especially comedy, there are a lot of Jews.
Its a question about Jewish persons. Hope I'm not crossing that invisible line, but,
How come Hollywood has such a large representation of Jewish people? In the actual country they make up a small percentage of the population, yet in film and comedy, especially comedy, there are a lot of Jews.
soundscream
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Don't you live in Connecticut?
triplestation
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terrisus
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For the past 3.5 years, yeah.
Before that it was Massachusetts for 28.5
Connecticut, unlike New York, is part of New England though.
Even though the southwest corner may as well be part of New York >.>
theignoramus
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Nonsense. Its not culture that is the point of separation, it's institutional discrimination, racism and personal biases. There are sharper cultural differences between various European Americans groups then there are between black America and WASPs. Jewish Americans have their own distinct culture, and while American anti-semitism was no joke in the 30s,40s and 50s, today, there are no significant social or institutional barriers between American Jews and the rest of white America.
soundscream
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I love how almost everyone I know from Connecticut tries to act like they are not part of the tristate area.
Some people might want to support people who they feel represent them. Seems understandable to me.
Thanks for answering!
roosters93
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Umm... you could say the same thing about my question?
haha thanks for the snarky advice
I really wanted you to link the two disparate quotes and not respond at all to one of them.
RockTurtle
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people who like wrestling are appropriating white culture
terrisus
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I was confused as heck when I moved down here (I'm fairly central in the state - Meriden. Originally from Northampton, Massachusetts). Since I always figured, hey Connecticut's part of New England. But, no, it may as well be knock-off New York over here >.>
You can support the people that represent yourself without segregating cultures.
Only you can't, because your question had nothing to do with any sort of discussion. It was just you pointing out that you think my question was silly which, well, good for you.
pokeystaples
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Can't really avoid white culture in the US, but I make it a point not to watch anything that doesn't have at least one POC. Someone has to look like me or one of my friends. My little group is like a United Colors of Benneton ad so lots of room to work with. I could really bitch about the representation of people who are not black, white or Hispanic, but that's a whole other giant post. I come from a really diverse community so only seeing white people do anything is weird to me. I read white authors, but I noticed that I am more inclined to read white females if I read a white author. This has changed a lot since high school and college where you kind of have to read old white dudes pretty much the entire time. I crave experiences that aren't "white guy" stories. Not because I have anything against white guys. It's just been a while since an author who was a white dude held my attention.
Games are another issue. It's hard to find games that fit that mold. If I play first person games I prefer the character wear gloves so that it is more believable to me.
White culture is just kinda bland to me. The CBS of cultures if you will.
Games are another issue. It's hard to find games that fit that mold. If I play first person games I prefer the character wear gloves so that it is more believable to me.
White culture is just kinda bland to me. The CBS of cultures if you will.
Semantics then?
If you go out of your way to support one thing then you of course you support the other options less. Is that "segregation"?
Thanks! Great to hear a detailed opinion.
You were the one responding merely with bullshit, adding nothing constructive on your own. We'll forgive you, it's not like we think everyone has the time to engage in lengthy forum discussions.
It really wasn't all that snarky, it was decent criticism. People should be allowed to flounder through conversations and discussion. It's okay to not have a strong foothold, and not every question you pose with be framed correctly to the conclusions you'll eventually arrive at.
Honestly, I've recently become increasingly aware of how "white" TV and hollywood movies are, and I'm... tired of it would be a strong word. Maybe just yearning for something different. Not to the point where I go out of my way to watch Empire though. It's still impossible to avoid though, like this thread has made blaringly obvious.
It's weird, but as a white kid growing up, I think I probably watched more shows centered around black Americans than shows based around any other ethnic group. Family Matters, The Jeffersons, Sister Sister, Smart Guy, Hanging with Mr. Cooper, Fresh Prince. So much stuff out there covering a fairly wide range of scenarios.
Thank god for this!
It's like people are absolute geniuses when it comes to picking you apart for not being perfectly concise but then when it comes to recall they are only capable of remembering the mistakes you made and nothing else. Effective in debating but not very helpful to discussion.
theignoramus
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This is why when people complain and say "how come black people do BET and their own awards" they expose their ignorance. Theyre unwilling or unable to see dozens of tv programs or movies with all white casts through a racial lens, yet they're annoyed by black themed content.
FrenchToastDisciple
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America's history of systemic economic disenfranchisement of people of color means that, at least from a media production standpoint, white culture is often synonymous with the frivolous indulging of bourgeoisie concerns and the reaction to that ultimately empty cultural perspective, whether it be coming of age stories in afluent suburban areas, spiritual and intellectual rebellions against the corporate neoliberal status quo, or economically secure people looking for actual human connection in the anti human connection mess that is the modern middle and upper class America.
That isn't to put a judgement on this cultural perspective (indeed, all of these things are legitimate concerns). Nor does it mean that there aren't alternative, potentially subversive "white" cultures (Poor, rural white cultures being some good examples). However, the fact that fact that the dominant white culture portrayed in media as described in the previous paragraph became the mainstream culture portrayed by Holywood and television studios means that, in a way, middle and upper middle class white culture is the default perspective for media production in this country, and hence why it's seemingly invisible to many Americans.
I suppose what many people mean when they refer to "white" culture is a perspective in which of some degree of economic prosperity is assumed to be the default, starting position of those people portrayed in the cultural production. In this way something like Friends would be the whitest possible cultural production, a bunch of twenty and thirty somethings whose primary concerns are romance and other more petty concerns despite the fact that living in Manhattan is goddamn expensive and would be a burden to anyone not sitting a bunch of assumed material resources (nevermind the cultural baggage that comes with living in an area of racially concentrated poverty).
And yes, this "white culture" is a distortion of reality. Obviously, the vast majority of white people have to worry about money, and there are plenty of racial minorities who have achieved material affluence in this country, but the history of this country as a society in which the rules, both written and de facto, have been designed to reward whiteness means that there are generations upon generations of independent cultural production in which economic and societal status have come to be conflated with a particular racial perspective. Even if all the different races in this country were to achieve economic and legal parity, the sheer cultural inertia of hundreds of years likely means that "white culture" will be something very real and tangible for decades to come.
So yeah, that was a pretty meandering post, and I don't think that nails the issue down entirely by any means (I didn't even touch how political and historical narratives and perspectives can have racially influenced points of view), but I think that's one of the points of entry at the very least.
That isn't to put a judgement on this cultural perspective (indeed, all of these things are legitimate concerns). Nor does it mean that there aren't alternative, potentially subversive "white" cultures (Poor, rural white cultures being some good examples). However, the fact that fact that the dominant white culture portrayed in media as described in the previous paragraph became the mainstream culture portrayed by Holywood and television studios means that, in a way, middle and upper middle class white culture is the default perspective for media production in this country, and hence why it's seemingly invisible to many Americans.
I suppose what many people mean when they refer to "white" culture is a perspective in which of some degree of economic prosperity is assumed to be the default, starting position of those people portrayed in the cultural production. In this way something like Friends would be the whitest possible cultural production, a bunch of twenty and thirty somethings whose primary concerns are romance and other more petty concerns despite the fact that living in Manhattan is goddamn expensive and would be a burden to anyone not sitting a bunch of assumed material resources (nevermind the cultural baggage that comes with living in an area of racially concentrated poverty).
And yes, this "white culture" is a distortion of reality. Obviously, the vast majority of white people have to worry about money, and there are plenty of racial minorities who have achieved material affluence in this country, but the history of this country as a society in which the rules, both written and de facto, have been designed to reward whiteness means that there are generations upon generations of independent cultural production in which economic and societal status have come to be conflated with a particular racial perspective. Even if all the different races in this country were to achieve economic and legal parity, the sheer cultural inertia of hundreds of years likely means that "white culture" will be something very real and tangible for decades to come.
So yeah, that was a pretty meandering post, and I don't think that nails the issue down entirely by any means (I didn't even touch how political and historical narratives and perspectives can have racially influenced points of view), but I think that's one of the points of entry at the very least.
What an absolute moron.
Also goes to show how many closet racists we have here at GAF, of course those pathetic enough will pull out the "you can't be racist against white people" excuse.
Good to see who the idiots are in this forum.
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