stump sock
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There are two positive results of threads like this:
- raising awareness of the kind of shit that happens away from a lot of peoples' eyes
- culling junior shitposters
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Anita Sarkeesian shows what one week of harassment directed at her looks like
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There are two positive results of threads like this:
- raising awareness of the kind of shit that happens away from a lot of peoples' eyes
- culling junior shitposters
Same here. I felt the same way for Phil Fish.
Although what is happening to Ms. Sarkeesian is an even greater injustice because of her intent to educate the very same ignorant people that are berating her and her gender.
In general, I've come to think that this is as much a videogame community issue as it is a general sexual discriminatory issue. The videogame community seems to be loud and proud with regard to its ignorance.
But then again, maybe my disproportionate time spent with other gamers is clouding my perception, and this indeed is simply societal bigotry that pervades all aspects of entertainment.
X.x you know that was sarcastic right?
cm osi
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i think both sides see the problem in a different way, so an anita worshipper won't make good wife material. ┐（´ー｀）┌
This is why the junior system is good, most shitposters can't go 300 posts without saying something idiotic so it cuts them off before they can get too far
ozz ex machina
Member
That list of screenshots had a real impact on me. No matter her cause, whether or not you agree with it, nobody should be treated like that.
One of those truly depressing things that makes me lose all faith in humanity.
One of those truly depressing things that makes me lose all faith in humanity.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
That's how these Gamergate threads work. The most awful comments come from throwaway junior accounts.
hey_monkey
Banned
Well said. No, her videos aren't perfect, nor her analysis, but damn, what is?
Here's what's real: consistently, frequently, women are shut out of the gaming industry at many (every?) levels. People argue against us when we say we're gamers; we're rarely heroes; our avatars, when we get them, are often hypersexualized and/or poorly dressed; we are frequently used as plot points and/or objectified. The list goes on and on and on. It doesn't stop because people can find a few examples of games that have fewer issues; it doesn't stop because someone says it's not a "real" problem; it doesn't stop because some people like to pretend it's just fine.
That there are some of the same issues with hypermasculinity in games also does not invalidate the above, nor does the fact that some circles are simply toxic.
At least with posters like you, we know not all junior members who come into these topics are throwaway accounts/undercover GGers/straight up hateful
I also got the feeling that some just created accounts to continue their harassment here.
Edit: We got atleast some better ones.
Don't give up. Give them some deserved shit.
With all the discussion on trolling and why people behave in this manner, I thought this might be a good place to drop these links. This American Life had a great segment this week on Internet trolls -- including an online journalist who was trolled and confronted her troll through an article, his reformation, and a direct, frank conversation with him about why he did what he did. It's fascinating to listen to -- but, I'm also including a link to the transcript for those who can't listen. It's the very first segment.
http://m.thisamericanlife.org
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/transcript
http://m.thisamericanlife.org
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/transcript
You should have stopped writing after the first sentence. smh
Probably 8chan's newest mole operation for our SJW hugbox.
Beelzebufo
Banned
At least the whole junior thing can help us remember that biases are very real, and that we need to be constantly working to overcome our own. Whenever I see a long post in a thread like this by a member like "xXLord of LordranXx - Junior Member" I automatically start reading it to look for errors, and then actually get a little surprised if I agree with it.
So, we should leave her to fend off the vicious hordes by herself? Where's the logic in saying that good people should do nothing, while hateful misogynists get free reign over the internet?
mocolostrocolos
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Grimløck;149466425 said:
I'm a male gamer and don't have to apologize for other's mistakes.
bet if you showed this image to the chest-puffing "FAKE GAMER GIRLS ARE RUINING MY GAMES" dudes, they wouldn't be able to tell you where it came from...
crowphoenix
Banned
Because I must further the advances of anti-gaming!
It is possible you see some individuals create accounts to post in FF or GG threads with the expectation of getting banned.
Or perhaps these threads are just one way of culling junior members early and often.
You wrote all that about someone you know little about? interesting.
Beelzebufo
Banned
It's from Basilisk II, the cult classic PC game. Any gamer could tell you that.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I pretty much knew what to expect reading that, and still couldn't go through much of it. IMO, most important thing is the support from smart people. That makes insults from idiots much easier to ignore.
it's worth pointing out that phil fish somehow started getting it EVEN WORSE when there was that guilt-by-association shit with that indie game panel that Zoe was also on...
*Assassin's Creed Avatar* is that even a real game or is that a walking simulator
Hah, shows how much you know. It's clearly the Mac version.
Also, DMA Design and Psygnosis pushing their SJW agenda by having green-haired, genderless people in their video game disgusted me to no end!
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Much lower salaries than men
Household violence
Harassement at workplace
I'd like to hear how my point is untrue.
And, are you implying I'm insulting women? That's interesting. There are no female developers or engineers because most women are not interested in that because of a completely different cultural factor broader than videogames. (This point also applies to the quote above) So if anything, programming and engineering should be marketed to females as "cool" since childhood, but that'll take at least 20 years.
She chose to start a series of videos (Which, if I'm not mistaken, she hasn't even completed to the kickstarter terms) that were inherently controversial and indeed drew attention away from more serious problems. It's not bad per se, but she takes it WAY too seriously.
Also, a developer's career is not Anita's. Has Corrine Yu (Random female developer) ever been harassed by gamers?
Some of those are not even threats (though offensive) , and everybody involved in controversial subjects get a shitton of those anyway.
This is as much offensive as anything she says.
Anyway she's an intellectual fraud, making lots of money while ignoring women's true problems.
The fact she says things like this is an insult to women who really have fough for their rights and are or have been in danger.
Also, if there aren't women in game studios is because engineers are 99% male, as women choose other careers.
Now I raise my flame shield.
Couple questions for you...
What are "women's true problems"?
What women have you spoken to who are super offended by these simple videos asking for better representation?
Why do you think "99%" of women avoid tech fields? (As a woman in tech, I could tell you, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.)
Edit: I see you answered the first one. Your #3 has a lot to do with my 3rd question.
Panel 1: "Fat! Dwarf!"
Panel 2: "Ha! Ha! Ha! ...I love being politically incorrect"
Panel 3: *bunch of slurs*
Panel 4: "It's the consolation of the prisioner"
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People clinging to a dieing culture of hate are horrible because while their culture is so dominant no alternative is given, they can hide behind a facade of good citzens and still be pieces of shit; then when it starts to crumble, when stuff actually starts to change (and by "starts to" I mean it even haven't yet), then they get desperate and crazy and the mask of civilized human being falls to reveal that civilization is only a tool for power; that we can revert to barbarism and violence in an instant.
She should gather a month of those comments and the big publishers should give her money for each one of them. She is doing them a favor by expanding their audience and getting this kind of treatment for it.
itzknickknac
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I feel bad for Anita, but some of these tweets are hilarious.
I can't take these hate comments/death/rape threats serious, since I already know there are people like these out there. Despite me not agreeing with her "movement," she has my respect after all she's been going through.
Here's what's beginning to bother me; some of these tweets say something along the lines of "these threads are part of gaming, have you played multiplayer." I wouldn't want to be part of the gaming community where such threats are socially acceptable and a norm.
I can't take these hate comments/death/rape threats serious, since I already know there are people like these out there. Despite me not agreeing with her "movement," she has my respect after all she's been going through.
Here's what's beginning to bother me; some of these tweets say something along the lines of "these threads are part of gaming, have you played multiplayer." I wouldn't want to be part of the gaming community where such threats are socially acceptable and a norm.
RustySpoon
Member
Seems to me like this is a pretty good example of where Twitter could use a better policy than "block and move on". Ugh, no one should have to deal with that shit.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Wait... what? Isn't that what this is? That's the whole point of this thread.
Also, there are a lot of female developers that have been harassed as well, the most significant being Quinn. I also don't think "she takes it too seriously" is a fair complaint, considering that these people in the OP take it seriously enough to threaten to murder and rape her. You're even calling it a controversial issue, showing you take it seriously as well, right?
One thing that I can't really wrap my head around is how Twitter doesn't just immediately ban some of these people. I understand there is freedom of speech, but when you are threatening death and rape? I can't imagine what PR spin exists to allow stuff like that to continue unpunished
Anton Sugar
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I love it when men explain why a woman (who is constantly harassed, denigrated, and threatened with violence) isn't doing anything about real women's issues!
Ok, That, sir, is hilarious. I can only hope a mod starts using that when applying the hammer.
HiredN00bs
Banned
Um, maybe some, but there is a huge amount of mainstream anti-feminism out there, and I can understand why because for many years Rush Limbaugh was my only source on what feminism was and what it was trying to accomplish. I'm sure a majority would be appalled by the crass language, but these kids are knee-jerk reacting to a world view which opposes the one they were raised to have.
I would wager almost every woman who has gone into an online space has received some kind of gender-specific harassment. I mean, people get harassed period, but minority groups receive extra harassment on top of it.
TheSlySoul
Member
This holds true though. She is being harassed for the work that she is doing.
You can choose to ignore the issues, but read things like the Dragon's Dogma development scandal before saying it isn't an issue.
The Technomancer
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No see, its online so its not real harassment.
crowphoenix
Banned
Yup. The fact that people are so angry is that she found a real issue.
Women are less motivated to join a culture and industry where people harass and terrorize them.
Regarding gender issues in video games culture, you really need the 101 lesson, because you don't seem to be informed about why representation in video games is important, why it matters how women are treated in the industry and culture, how developers and players and marketers all contribute to excluding people who aren't white heterosexual cis-dudes. I seriously don't know where to start, but you should read up on it.
Exactly.
Women avoid tech because it's historically unwelcoming and downright hostile in some cases.
Palculator
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Actually, the game is super inaccurate and only reinforces the stereotype of lemmings as mindless drones who would follow each other to their own death, even though that's factually incorrect. Kinda </s>, though that article isn't.
John Kowalski
Banned
i thought someone had edited last thread's title...
i have to start a twitter account just for saying daily nice stuff to people like her
i have to start a twitter account just for saying daily nice stuff to people like her
Videogames aren't important. We should close the gaming side and stay only on off-topic, not being distracted, talking only about what really matters.
Mariah Carey
Beelzebufo
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The only explination I can think of is that he meant like sexual harassment, which both still applies in this case (rape threats) and is sort of troubling because it sort of implies that women can only have problems that are related to sex or home life.
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