The Artisan
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Digimon Adventure Tri: Final egg hatched! First PV will be shown on 6th of May
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One Piece: Popular
Project Diva: Popular
SAO: Unknown (not all anime fans buy games) but it did good so it may get a physical with LS, we'll see.
Yakuza 5: The next bomba out of a bunch of bombas. Nuff said really.
Digimon Cyber Sleuth may be DD only due to it being Digimon, a brand that isn't exactly popular. Of course if we get Digimon:CS. it may be the last Digimon game we get if the numbers are bad so let's hope. (that's why I also think they may do a western specific PS4 release - helps numbers/gives it a better chance).
Let's just wait and see, we're still early in the year after all.
At least it makes Hurricane/Golden more sense. At least compared to the JP version. (though that isn't saying much)
And yes before anyone says it, it IS a pretty movie but it makes 0 sense lol.
edit: woops, double post
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I just rewatched it a few days ago (I've been marathoning through everything recently), and I have to disagree. Digimon Hurricane Touchdown!! Supreme Evolution!! The Golden Digimentals is actually a much better movie than I remembered, and I think it holds up pretty well. The direction is very solid, it has a wonderful soundtrack, and I think the story flows together fairly well. The movie also does a good job tying together the central theme of not being able to let go of the past. When I was younger I found it to be kind of a drag, but watching it again now I actually think it's pretty damn enjoyable, and there's not really much that doesn't make sense (aside from maybe why Wendimon bothered taking away the people on the train Takeru and Hikari were on).
I'd actually say SAO is VERY popular in the west. I mean, it didn't quite get to Attack on Titan status (judging by the vast amount of groups of people I see cosplaying every con I go to since the anime aired), but it's still extremely big. When it first came out, people were freaking out about it, to the extent of the popularity Inuyasha was when it first hit western shores.
In the case of Project Diva, I still say it's fairly niche, even though Miku is super popular.
WrenchNinja
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Seraphimon and Magnadramon showing up out nowhere and the golden digimentals showing up too are so stupid and ass pully, I'm glad that piece of shit movie is non canon
The Artisan
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it's non canon???
and yeah, that shit did not make any sense. angemon warp digivolves without any supplements. why the fuck did he not ever do that in the fucking anime
I have a post I think (either that or I posted it on FB and thought I posted it on GAF when I was tired >_> ) earlier in the thread where I posted the issues I found with it but I'm too tired to write it all again.
So I'll just mention some of the stuff I remember (without having to watch it again):
At the start, Demiveemon -> Veemon -> Demiveemon several times. (I think some other Digimon had this issue throughout the movie)
Fladramon had his name romanized as Flaydramon (inconsistent from it's 02 series romanization during the evolution sequence)
Why were the Digidestined taken (who Wallace had never met) apart from the 02 kids and Takeru/Hikari.
Why were the people on the train taken apart from Takeru/Hikari and where did they go/end up?
Why could Patamon/Tailmon digivolve into their Ultimate/Mega forms? As if they could always do that (side note: They got beaten so easily)
How did the Golden Digimentals appear (and two of them, not just one this time)
Why the hell did Wallace speak in English to his mum (near the start with no one else around) then when the others were around, spoke in Japanese and then at the end when no one but him/Terriermon were around, he still spoke in Japanese
There is probably more animation errors or inconsistencies but these are off the top of my head.
WrenchNinja
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It is her form thanks to the PSP game
Ganzlinger
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Are you sure it isn't canon?
Project Diva f (the first one) sold well and it got a physical release in Europe for the 2nd one (first was DD only) so I think that proves that it was popular enough.
Look at my post again as well, I said SAO is popular BUT it was an unknown at the time because not all anime fans (aka SAO fans) are gamers and would buy the game. They even went cheaper by using the Asian english sub because their work was already done. (mostly anyway). But now they know and will probably make sure LS' english ver is better I'd hope.
If every person who liked Digimon bought the games, there would be no issue in the west as an example.
SAO is now a known quantity (based on how long it was in the top vita charts) so I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a physical release for Lost Song.
If it was canon, Seraphimon/Magnadramon would have appeared later in the 02 series >_>. Also if Ophanimon appears in tri, that's even more proof I say <_<
Ok yeah I get what you mean now and it is true. There is a strong connection with anime fans liking JRPG too, but not always.
And yeah, with close to half a million copies of the first one sold, I'll be VERY surprised if Lost Song isn't a physical title.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, that's silly, but it's not like the series never had that problem. It uses "Submarimon" during evolution sequences, but "Sabmarimon" during the analyzer, for example.
This is incredibly obvious. Wendimon was looking for the young Wallace (he even specifically refutes Wallace's claims because he's looking for someone younger, which ties into the main theme of the movie dealing with holding onto the past (and also connects with Wallace constantly saying "Chocomon" and "Gummymon" no matter what form their in).
Wallace had an old style digivice, so he captured the original chosen children who had those Digivices. Takeru, Hikari, Daisuke, Miyako and Iori didn't have the original digivices, so there was no need to take them. We then see Wendimon deaging the chosen children in order to see if one of them is Wallace (he even goes up to them and looks to inspect if any of them are).
Like I said, no explanation for this. It seems like a plot hole.
Well, it doesn't tie in with 02's continuity at all, so I think it's fine to accept something like this in a non-canon movie. It's a bit weird, but I don't find that it's some sort of massive plot hole.
They were created by Seraphimon and Holydramon.
Because the film is still a Japanese film, and they probably wanted to limit how much the actor actually spoke in English, especially since all those scenes would need to be subtitled.
Anime JRPGs
some people avoid FF for instance cause it's not anime/too realistic.Me... I like my JRPGs no matter what kind they are. I appreciate both the realistic FF-kind and the Atelier-anime kind
(Atelier games are so pretty)Paper Sparrow
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Forgive me if I remember this wrong, but isn't the only reason he knows Japanese because he had a Japanese girlfriend?
As if that would make you fluent, lol.
I'll forgive them since it's a Japanese film, though.
Nothing that happens in it is ever acknowledged outside of the movie (unlike the first two movies). And there is weird show contradicting stuff like a Digimon returning to egg form even in the real world. There has never been official word on it though.
First bit: I didn't notice that actually, might need to check the episode at some point to see that.
On this bit, then why didn't he capture all the kids around the world who had digivices since the original series/our war game movies
It's just so out of the blue
The sub I watched never mentioned that (the dub did though) and they digivolved to their ultimate/mega forms to fight, not to create digimentals. (and if that happens to be the reason they are created, still doesn't make sense as to HOW they were created)
Maybe so but it's still inconsistent. Gotta admit that.
I do think a lot of points can be dealt with as "it's not canon" but it is incredibly jarring when the first two movies (Adventure and Our War Game) were canon. So was the movie after it (Diaboromon take 2) so why did they do this with the first two 02 movies.
It's just so weird.
Indeed he did.
btw I love this discussion about everything apart from Tri mostly
. It's almost turned into an unofficial community thread haha.Ganzlinger
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My bad, for some reason I thought you were talking about Our War Game 2... I almost forget every Digimon's names except from Adventure 01.
Oh speaking about Digimon returning to egg form in the real world.
You gotta wonder how Wizardmon became a ghost (and how Myotismon because a spirit that could inhabit a human but I'll leave that down to the "He's a dick" mentality...).
There was a number of Digimon killed in the real world we never see. But those two could survive somehow (though Wizardmon is now uhh.... away forever? after that reunion scene)
You gotta wonder how Wizardmon became a ghost (and how Myotismon because a spirit that could inhabit a human but I'll leave that down to the "He's a dick" mentality...).
There was a number of Digimon killed in the real world we never see. But those two could survive somehow (though Wizardmon is now uhh.... away forever? after that reunion scene)
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Because they hadn't been invented yet at the time the movie was written? The various kids around the world with digivices weren't introduced until well after this movie came out (aside from Michael who was introduced a few days prior to the movie's theatrical release, but the film itself would have likely been in production long before that).
Yes, looking back at it now we can ask "what about the international chosen children", but they just didn't exist when the movie was written. It's the same reason the Dark Masters didn't just show up on File Island and kill the kids right at the start.
It doesn't need to be mentioned. You see the digimentals fly out right after they get knocked back down to Patamon/Tailmon. They weren't necessarily trying to create them, but they wound up doing so. The Digimentals are called "Fate" and "Miracles" after all.
The movie kind of has an other worldly tone throughout the whole thing. Yeah, it doesn't fully explain how Angemon/Angewomon can suddenly evolve into their Ultimate forms, or what the exact process of the creation of the Digimentals was, but those scenes all make it clear what is happening. The style of the movie is not one of explaining every little detail.
It's inconsistent, but it doesn't really bother me. No more than all the other anime where American characters talk in Japanese to one another.
ShironRedshift
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Not very sure on the "canocity" of it, but both Wizardmon and Tailmon show up in the Xros Wars manga and Wizardmon in particular ends up filling an important role in it.
Paper Sparrow
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All the movies make me like the characters more, even the bad ones.
There is a part in Diabolomon Strikes Back when Ken and Daisuke are bantering as they run to the bridge. It was probably one of the few times I liked Daisuke.
Indeed he did.
btw I love this discussion about everything apart from Tri mostly
It's pretty nice. There was a time about a couple-ish years ago when I first got back into Digimon and realized there was almost zero discussion about it online. 'Twas a lonely time.
I just file it under "Magic" where Hikari shenanigans and physical beings turning into data sit.
Alternatively, you could say... a Wizardmon did it... ohohoho~
On this note, the adventure novel (which has been partly translated by Onkeikun, a friend and translator in the Digimon Community) tied this in by having stuff like Devimon working for the dark masters and the reason they weren't on file island is because they were fighting/trying to seal the Harmonious ones (Sovereigns).
I really like that take on it.
Anyway at the very least, I think most everyone can agree that the movies are pretty non-canon. (which like I said is jarring when considering the first two Adventure movies and the last 02 movie were canon)
Haven't read the manga and due to not liking Xros Wars much (like I said, it feels so boring and samey to me more so than any other series) I don't feel the need to.
That said, I am now a little more interested in checking out the manga at some point purely for that. (I also want to check out V-Tamer at some point since we're talking about mangas)
Hot Coldman
Banned
Xros Wars seems lame as fuck just due to it ditching the evolution hierarchy as far as I can tell. Simplicity, yo.
Paper Sparrow
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I have to admit, Xros Wars is the only season (seasons?) I haven't seen all the way through. It's not bad or anything, it's just that I stopped watching it and never felt the need to go back.
WrenchNinja
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I have tried multiple times to finish watching Xros Wars
But I can't. I don't like Taiki and Shoutmon at all. The whole lack of digivolution bothers me so much and how every form is Shoutmon X whatever
It just sucks. And I often wonder if it's just because it's different. But then I really like Frontier. No, it's just that Xros Wars sucks.
But I can't. I don't like Taiki and Shoutmon at all. The whole lack of digivolution bothers me so much and how every form is Shoutmon X whatever
It just sucks. And I often wonder if it's just because it's different. But then I really like Frontier. No, it's just that Xros Wars sucks.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Xros Wars started out pretty slow, but I found that the latter half of it picked up quite a bit and I wound up really enjoying it.
But then they botched it all with Hunters and its plotless garbage.
But then they botched it all with Hunters and its plotless garbage.
For this franchise, and I only consider Digimon Adventure (movie) and Our War Game to be canon. Digimon Adventure (movie) actually aired in Japan before the regular Adventure show. If that is not canon, what is?
Digimon Adventure (movie) is by far my favorite movie of the franchise. It was uneventful in terms of epic battles, but the Hikari/Taichi dynamic with Koromon is just fantastic. That is why the Yagami siblings are my favourite and imo, should lead the show.
Digimon Adventure (movie) is by far my favorite movie of the franchise. It was uneventful in terms of epic battles, but the Hikari/Taichi dynamic with Koromon is just fantastic. That is why the Yagami siblings are my favourite and imo, should lead the show.
CoolBatteryCharge
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I had a lot of issues with Fusion (I watched dubbed):
- The pacing was weirdly "fast" where they kept introducing so many damn characters in each episode they had to keep reminding you four or five times what each character's name is by showing it in text on screen.
- Weirdly, with it's "fast" pacing, the story felt dragged out and very little happened. If it was a regular season, the conflict of those 30 episodes would have been resolved in around 15 to 20.
- It felt like they made a Digimon themed season of Yu-Gi-Oh than an actual Digimon story. Digimon does usually touch on serious topics, but it instead did what Yu-Gi-Oh did where it just had serious music and more dramatic visuals rather than having it be in the actual story writing.
- DigiCards felt like pointless nostalgia rather than having any real purpose to the story.
TL;DR I think it tries to do too much without actually doing anything.
I thought changing the Digivolution levels stuff was an interesting idea. Don't think they executed it well enough to make me interested though.
- The pacing was weirdly "fast" where they kept introducing so many damn characters in each episode they had to keep reminding you four or five times what each character's name is by showing it in text on screen.
- Weirdly, with it's "fast" pacing, the story felt dragged out and very little happened. If it was a regular season, the conflict of those 30 episodes would have been resolved in around 15 to 20.
- It felt like they made a Digimon themed season of Yu-Gi-Oh than an actual Digimon story. Digimon does usually touch on serious topics, but it instead did what Yu-Gi-Oh did where it just had serious music and more dramatic visuals rather than having it be in the actual story writing.
- DigiCards felt like pointless nostalgia rather than having any real purpose to the story.
TL;DR I think it tries to do too much without actually doing anything.
I thought changing the Digivolution levels stuff was an interesting idea. Don't think they executed it well enough to make me interested though.
Yeah I heard about that a while ago. Was surprised but it makes sense. It is defo a good movie as well. Love it. I also loved the dub version of it due to the music I'll admit.
Both versions are good.
Paper Sparrow
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This must always be posted when talking about the first movie. :3
Yeah I heard about that a while ago. Was surprised but it makes sense. It is defo a good movie as well. Love it. I also loved the dub version of it due to the music I'll admit.
Both versions are good.
I would love to know the opinion of the Japanese who watched the movie before the show on how they liked the movie. Its very endearing, and I think it integrates greatly with the show not matter when you watched. Also the quality of it is really good considering its 16 years old.
Also Bolero is just so perfect. It fits the mood and the series quite nicely.
Paper Sparrow
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I'm thinking it's going to be like Hikari's vision at the end of 02, with everything being butterflies and rainbows. (I really hope it's not.)
Xros Wars moved to Disney XD?
Poodlestrike
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Disney XD? Crap.
Paper Sparrow
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The Artisan
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it didn't make davis any more likeable. at all.
I'm not sure it has the type of audience needed in the west to get onto the main channel.
The Artisan
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Fusion/Xros Wars started on the main channel, but got switched after a few weeks.
Paper Sparrow
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Maybe not, but they should at least try to push it. If there was ever a season of Digimon that could reignite interest, this is it.
Fusion? Yeah, it just got renewed.
Yeah, what exactly happened there? Surely ratings weren't that poor after two episodes?
The Artisan
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Na man I was talkin about tri
Would it? Because this one seems more made for people who saw Adventure and Adventure 02. Chances are the current Nickelodeon audience doesn't quite hit that qualification
Part 1 of Xros Wars was pretty good, though the 2nd half of it (The Evil Death Generals Arc) was pretty awesome.
I never got around to watching Young Hunters since I heard it was pretty bad.
Granted, my complaints on Xros Wars are pretty minor stuff at best.
I liked Xros Wars and to an extent Hunters.
Urgh, I had forgotten how bad the dub is.
If they have any sense retcon it.
I think it's more frightening without any of the added dialogue. Two little kids and now it's a giant monster that's not even responding to them. Silence > speech can be so effective.
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