dead souls
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Does retail even want to stock a bunch of plastic instruments again?
I can see this flopping pretty hard.
I can see this flopping pretty hard.
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Rock Band 4 announced for PS4 and Xbox One
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Same as me now, actually. I look at my real bass and guitar, then over at Rocksmith on PC with all the custom songs...
I mean sure I enjoyed the drums the most out of Rock Band, but now that I'm an apartment dweller again I don't drum at all anymore.
I barely have enough time to play the games on ps4. Don't get so offended by a random persons buying habits.
TheFurizzlyBear
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As far as I'm aware, he is one of the artists that dislike the plastic instrument games.
PROh1bited
Banned
Gamestop kept asking Harmonix when they we're gonna bring back Rock Band. So no, your prediction will be completely wrong.
megashock5
Member
Agreed. All of my RB stuff was on Wii, so no DLC or instrument carryover for me.
I'll need good pricing (or a sale) and some Rush, Yes, Muse, Queen, etc.
EDIT: Hello, NIN bro above me ^
Trogdor1123
Member
I am so happy about this! I hope the instruments last longer than they did last time though.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
Uuuuuuuuhhhh, what? How did you get that from that post?
Yeah sounds about right, he's pretty fussy about Youtube as well.
It's not a dislike of games, so much as he's one of the most notoriously controlling artists out there.
With digital sales only growing, I imagine retailers would love to have a reason for people to come into their stores.
Skiptastic
Member
Agreed.
There are some interviews floating around where they address their focus for the game and that they are looking to expand on the gameplay elements and features so it's not just an HD port.
I'm hoping this winds up not being necessary, but I deeply fear that it will be.
And it sucks. I went PS4 this generation and I have absolutely no need or desire for an Xbox One except for this if it's necessary. And yet, buying one would still be cheaper than repurchasing all the songs I've got.
Zeyphersan
Banned
So does this mean all my Rock Band songs will work, but only when they've also created a RB4 version of the songs?
PROh1bited
Banned
Cause they didn't add more buttons, it's a no buy. Ok then. And why are you labeling it as an HD port when we know practically nothing on what the game will contain. They have said that this will be the only Rock Band released this generation, with updates throughout.
It doesn't confirm anything of the sort. Just because the instruments won't change doesn't mean there won't be new gameplay.
Version 3.0
Member
Just thinking out loud here, on the topic of 360-to-PS4 transfer:
Obviously, Microsoft has good reason to not cooperate with such a transfer, because clearly there are far more former 360 owners with PS4s than former PS3 owners with XB1s.
However, once upon a time, I created an account at Rockband.com, and the site showed all the songs I owned, my characters, and my high scores. So there is a mechanism for them to know what DLC you've bought.
At this point, they don't need Microsoft to help in this process.
It's Sony and the song owners that would need to sign off on "giving away" these songs, once they're identified. So it's not impossible - the argument simply needs to be made that it's in their interest. If they see it as I said above, "giving away" a bunch of content, they'll obviously say no. But if it's presented as "do this or people will pass on the game", then maybe it would sway them.
Maybe we need a mechanism to demonstrate the amount of demand for this. I don't do social media, really, but if anyone wants to start a campaign, I'd be happy to make this my 3rd tweet.
Obviously, Microsoft has good reason to not cooperate with such a transfer, because clearly there are far more former 360 owners with PS4s than former PS3 owners with XB1s.
However, once upon a time, I created an account at Rockband.com, and the site showed all the songs I owned, my characters, and my high scores. So there is a mechanism for them to know what DLC you've bought.
At this point, they don't need Microsoft to help in this process.
It's Sony and the song owners that would need to sign off on "giving away" these songs, once they're identified. So it's not impossible - the argument simply needs to be made that it's in their interest. If they see it as I said above, "giving away" a bunch of content, they'll obviously say no. But if it's presented as "do this or people will pass on the game", then maybe it would sway them.
Maybe we need a mechanism to demonstrate the amount of demand for this. I don't do social media, really, but if anyone wants to start a campaign, I'd be happy to make this my 3rd tweet.
This is my exact problem. I think I ended up with 1035 songs when I stopped purchasing DLC.
Version 3.0
Member
That's how I read it, and it seems like you and I are the only ones who noted that.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
I could of swore I read he was one of the artists who was on the "why dont you learn a real instrument" side of things.
I disagree, the controller is the main input and playing songs, imo, is the core experience. Anything else is just filler around the part of the game you want to play. Keeping the same hardware limits any new core gameplay for a musical game.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I mean, I understand why. Licensing is a HUGE part of Rock Band. But uh, everyone should temper their expectations on how much DLC goes forward <_<
HellofaMouse
Member
werent they asking people if they want a new rockband just over a month ago?
so they can pump these out in less than a year..
so they can pump these out in less than a year..
Stealth_Cobra
Member
No Pro Guitar and No Pro Keys support = No Buy... What the hell, Harmonix !!!
Taking such a long break, I was expecting the return of an almost professional grade pro mode (think Rocksmith, but for all instruments), not the removal of the feature altogether ?
Why am I suppose to upgrade from RB now again ? To go back in time from a two octave key and a near full guitar to a 5 button fase plastic guitar ? Series should go forward, not take a huge step backwards. Pro Mode was the future, Rocksmith is the future, this is a relic of the past, where people settled with the easy illusion of mastering tough songs because they could hit 5 colored buttons fast enough.
As a primary Pro Keyboard user that also loves playing Pro Guitar, and as someone that value my time spent doing make believe music, I think the least they could do is provide an incentive for people that see hitting five buttons as unchallenging and frankly useless in a music game... We want to learn the real songs, and while I'll agree the main target audience is peole that want a make believe party game, I for one will not take part in this rebirth...
You're not getting me back on board Harmonix... I'm hoping Rocksmith makes a return with a "Band" game will all pro instruments, using real midi instruments and offering real learning tools for Keyboards and Drums... As the niche is now wide open for them.
Taking such a long break, I was expecting the return of an almost professional grade pro mode (think Rocksmith, but for all instruments), not the removal of the feature altogether ?
Why am I suppose to upgrade from RB now again ? To go back in time from a two octave key and a near full guitar to a 5 button fase plastic guitar ? Series should go forward, not take a huge step backwards. Pro Mode was the future, Rocksmith is the future, this is a relic of the past, where people settled with the easy illusion of mastering tough songs because they could hit 5 colored buttons fast enough.
As a primary Pro Keyboard user that also loves playing Pro Guitar, and as someone that value my time spent doing make believe music, I think the least they could do is provide an incentive for people that see hitting five buttons as unchallenging and frankly useless in a music game... We want to learn the real songs, and while I'll agree the main target audience is peole that want a make believe party game, I for one will not take part in this rebirth...
You're not getting me back on board Harmonix... I'm hoping Rocksmith makes a return with a "Band" game will all pro instruments, using real midi instruments and offering real learning tools for Keyboards and Drums... As the niche is now wide open for them.
Impeccable
Member
Yeah, no.
TheFurizzlyBear
Member
I'm pretty sure it showed song you played and it was based off of leaderboards.
It's not a matter of tracking what you have but rather moving the license for the song that was purchased. This is has to do with record labels as much as it does Microsoft and Sony and the way content licenses work.
Quadraphonic
Member
Good to see the decisions made so far.
Dropping keys and pro guitar are pretty damn essential for survival.
As the Polygon article said, a number of factors contributed to the decline, and the pro instruments splintered the RB community, and also intimidated the FUCK out of new and casual players.
No one wanted to go to parties and switch instruments all night long if there was some dude fucking around on a real guitar or a full-size keyboard which was scary to them.
Dropping keys and pro guitar are pretty damn essential for survival.
As the Polygon article said, a number of factors contributed to the decline, and the pro instruments splintered the RB community, and also intimidated the FUCK out of new and casual players.
No one wanted to go to parties and switch instruments all night long if there was some dude fucking around on a real guitar or a full-size keyboard which was scary to them.
kitschbeam
Member
day-1 babyyyy
Because Harmonix can't just do that. The platform holders can't just *not* make money off content they're hosting. They're not hosting it, then, you say? There's no way the console makers would let a game download data not signed by them and keep it executable on a hard drive.
Not to mention going back and relicensing everything in a different way that by default would earn the music holders less money.
It's not going to happen. It's not sensible. It's wishful thinking.
MMaRsu
Member
I'm not, I'm just saying you could use that console for more than just rock band.
He may have, but the bigger point is he's in general very anal about how his music is heard and experienced. He's one of the most difficult artists to license from.
I imagine that it's not anything amazingly complex that they have to do. They have a ton of songs that they'll need to check through to ensure they don't break anything major (like the save-killing glitch in RB3 for bands with long names early on), and that understandably will take some time. I can't imagine that they'd be doing actual new versions of 2000 tracks.
count me in the "Over 600 songs in xbox 360 but now has only PS4" camp.
If they can find a way to bring the library over cross console, which they didnt say they wont thye just said is not up only to them, remember rockstar did it with GTA 5, then I would be even willing to pay a fee to do it.
I love RB. I kept my 360 just for it.
If they can find a way to bring the library over cross console, which they didnt say they wont thye just said is not up only to them, remember rockstar did it with GTA 5, then I would be even willing to pay a fee to do it.
I love RB. I kept my 360 just for it.