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[jhmtehgamr20xx]

hey guyz

so sony lies about their sell-through numbers

it's a conspiracy okay

it's clear that sony lies about their sell-through data reports to make themselves seem much better than xbox which is actually doing better than sony

it's proven on sales tracking website vg chartz:

http://gamrconnect.********.com/post.php?id=6598658

and we all know that ioi tracks video game sales and he is unbiased unlike sony who wants to destroy xbox by any means necessary

don't believe sony's lies sheeple

I knew it all along in my heart of hearts. MS should sue Sony for defamation of numbers!

Spoiler

j/k

On a real note tho, like yourself and other sales experts have said, they can't even legally do that if they wanted to.

and when sony wants to cut the price. they announce that the new msrp is $299 and it is up to the retailers to lower it after that?
diverse game library? i honestly cannot recall there being that many remarkable 360 exclusives outside of gears and halo. not saying there weren't any, I just can't think of any.. there's fable, there was ME, there was bioshock, there's splinter cell... but you were talking about diverse exclusives early on. maybe i'm just havin a brain buster or whatever they call it, but I feel like if the games were noteworthy I'd remember some of the IPs.

if anything, playstation's been known to have the more diverse library. last gen most games on 360 were shooters and multiplayer, Ps3 had single player, story driven games.
I didn't say that it was a follow up to the brand itself, but a continuation of it. But I'm not sure what to say for the rest of your post was about.
goodwill of the Ps3 built up post 2010...? I disagree. someone else in the thread said it - this is kind of a return to form for sony, and the Ps3 was a massive misstep. Another person said that even if the xbone had a good e3 2013, the Ps4 would probably still be outselling it, just not by much, and I would agree with that too.


I hope you're not alluding to what I think you are.

What? No there were plenty of unique games on 360 that either never came to PS3 or took forever to get there. Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, 'Splosion Man and Woman, Castle Crashers, Too Human, Mass Effect, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Crackdown, Gears, Project Gotham Racing, and the list goes on.

The reason it's probably hard to remember most of them is because there hasn't been new installments for a lot of them in some years. E3s 2006 and 2007 were two of the best E3s MS ever had and that was thanks to all the unique 1st party stuff and 3rd parties lining up on the platform.

PS3 did have to build up goodwill again, and that started happening post-2010. TBH it was the only system out of the three that benefited from last gen being so long, so PS was on people's minds going into the new system launches. You're right that it's a return-to-form somewhat, but PS4 wouldn't be doing this well if PS3 didn't start getting some of those critical exclusives like Uncharted and Echochrome, and if 3rd-party games didn't stop being inferior to 360 versions. At least, in NA.

I honestly don't know what else I could be alluding to on this one :/...

I think Sony is careful about margins this time around. They want to make sure the PS4 isn't a significant loss-leader like the PS3 (where SCE lost a ton of money every year).

Will PS4 production be efficient enough to allow Sony to drop the price? Certainly down to price parity with Xbox One ($349). I'm not so sure about $299, though.

We'll see.

Personally I was hoping they'd drop to that this holiday for Morpheus, but since that isn't happening until 2016 I guess $299 is out of the window.

...Though Verendus did post a somewhat foreshadowing post hinting at "something" for the fall...

The PS4 was built/designed for revisions of the hardware to happen at a quicker pace. I believe the SoC will decrease in size quickly and dramatically when it does. It all comes down to the 8gb ram chips.

The longer they can go without a price cut the more dramatic and aggressive they can be when needed. Sony now have the high ground.

Question is, do they go down in $50 increments or smash the comp with a $100 when needed? For the foreseeable future I think they'll just add value where they can.

However I think for Morpheus to gain ground with new buyers it will need to be bundled with a cheaper PS4, maybe that's when they'll cut. For the right price Morpheus will sell to existing owners no doubt.

I've been wondering if Sony even needs to make a profit off Morpheus. By that I mean...shouldn't their priority be on services and software for it, rather than the hardware itself? It's not a device you can use standalone so it shouldn't be priced like a console, more like a controller or blu ray type of accessory player. Most controllers go for $60, the Wii U gamepad would be at least $100 at retail, and standalone Kinect was about that price too wasn't it?

Perhaps they could price it like an arcade stick? The apps and software is where the money's at anyway.

 

[florin3k3]

Hope you're not a chick

 

[xxracerxx]

Hope you're not a chick

The fuck?

 

[DNAbro]

I knew it all along in my heart of hearts. MS should sue Sony for defamation of numbers!

Spoiler

j/k

On a real note tho, like yourself and other sales experts have said, they can't even legally do that if they wanted to.

What? No there were plenty of unique games on 360 that either never came to PS3 or took forever to get there. Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, 'Splosion Man and Woman, Castle Crashers, Too Human, Mass Effect, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Crackdown, Gears, Project Gotham Racing, and the list goes on.

The reason it's probably hard to remember most of them is because there hasn't been new installments for a lot of them in some years. E3s 2006 and 2007 were two of the best E3s MS ever had and that was thanks to all the unique 1st party stuff and 3rd parties lining up on the platform.

PS3 did have to build up goodwill again, and that started happening post-2010. TBH it was the only system out of the three that benefited from last gen being so long, so PS was on people's minds going into the new system launches. You're right that it's a return-to-form somewhat, but PS4 wouldn't be doing this well if PS3 didn't start getting some of those critical exclusives like Uncharted and Echochrome, and if 3rd-party games didn't stop being inferior to 360 versions. At least, in NA.

I honestly don't know what else I could be alluding to on this one :/...

Personally I was hoping they'd drop to that this holiday for Morpheus, but since that isn't happening until 2016 I guess $299 is out of the window.

...Though Verendus did post a somewhat foreshadowing post hinting at "something" for the fall...

Maybe a permanent pack in. or idk verendus is weird

 

[Trust me. I'm a PhD]

The fuck?

I believe it is a comment on the amount of leg hair visible in the photo^^

 

[Ansatz]

I don't understand why. Sony have come back since ~2009 almost on nothing but games. Not many gimmicks (not any that worked at least) just putting out some great 1st Party games and maintaining good relations with the 3rd Party publishers.

I mean, if X1 would be taking the world by storm with its Kinect driven, always online vision, yeah, that would be disturbing. But currently Sony is "winning" with the game library. If I were Nintendo, I'd be ecstatic.

You're confusing a game with a game. Very few the PS4 games released and upcoming do anything for me. Just to get it out of the way, Steam is my indie central and games I'm interested in like The Witness are merely timed exclusives.

Now that leaves me with the retail releases and the majority of those I'm interested in either have or are supposed to have a PC release, and of those MGS 5 is the only game that would come close to a top 10 anticipated titles kind of list.

I'd just rather buy Valkyria Chronicles 10 times on Steam than anything else PS4 has to offer. It's just western stuff like photo realistic open worlds, sim sports, sim racers, cinematic games; none of which appeal to me at all.

So no the PS4 numbers don't make me happy, but they also don't make me sad either. Because I'm not Sony's target audience, I don't see PS4 as taking away sales that would otherwise go towards systems with games of my liking. The only things this story says to Nintendo is to make games more like the ones you see on PS4, and by doing that I'd stop console gaming altogether.

 

[Javin98]

At the rate the PS4 is selling, I think it should have no problems reaching 36 million by 31st December 2015. Maybe 38 million if Sony goes for more aggressive deals during the holidays but 40 million seems a bit too high. Still, a price cut to $299 can do wonders and Sony will announce it in September or October IMO.

 

[cazosozey]

i bought one last week - because bloodborne and amplitude

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

It's just western stuff like photo realistic open worlds, sim sports, sim racers, cinematic games; none of which appeal to me at all.

Are you talking about the PS4's current catalogue or its upcoming catalogue. Regardless of context, this is completely incorrect, more so when you look at what is coming to the system this year.

 

[The Artisan]

That a lot of people were banned in this thread?

yes.

I haven't kept up that much with this thread, last time I was in tune only one person got banned. I was around when the first guy started doing what I think led to what got himself banned, but I wonder what all the other grey names did.

What? No there were plenty of unique games on 360 that either never came to PS3 or took forever to get there. Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, 'Splosion Man and Woman, Castle Crashers, Too Human, Mass Effect, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Crackdown, Gears, Project Gotham Racing, and the list goes on.

not very many of those IPs became some of 360's best known though. but alright, you make a valid point that the 360 had a overall good launch with a good lineup.

The reason it's probably hard to remember most of them is because there hasn't been new installments for a lot of them in some years. E3s 2006 and 2007 were two of the best E3s MS ever had and that was thanks to all the unique 1st party stuff and 3rd parties lining up on the platform.

PS3 did have to build up goodwill again, and that started happening post-2010. TBH it was the only system out of the three that benefited from last gen being so long, so PS was on people's minds going into the new system launches. You're right that it's a return-to-form somewhat, but PS4 wouldn't be doing this well if PS3 didn't start getting some of those critical exclusives like Uncharted and Echochrome, and if 3rd-party games didn't stop being inferior to 360 versions. At least, in NA.

Ps3 started to turn around slightly in 2008 because it got its first killer app. MGS4. But that year they also lost its last 2 and most anticipated 3rd party exclusives - FFS13, and Tekken 6. But 2009 is when the Ps3 finally started getting some good traction. Kz2, Demon souls, infamous, and of course at the end of the year, the redesigned half the original price console and Uc2. Uc2 in particular to this day is considered one of the greatest games of all time. If we count all of the consoles, last gen was from end of 2006 - end of 2013, 7 years. which would make end of 2010 right smack the middle of last gen, but that's well over a year the Ps3's popularity evened out with the 360.

I honestly don't know what else I could be alluding to on this one :/...

uhh, that was a response to another post, not yours. Not sure how you got that confused.

The fuck?

lol

 

[Heshinsi]

I just think 10.8 million units sold in the next 9 months, 3 weeks and 4 days seems reasonable. They have got some Big Games coming out though, of course. I'd have to look at the month by month sales for the PS4 to date, and research the half a dozen or so big games coming out that are likely to shift units. But that's work and I'm sat here in my dressing gown buying Giant Bomb shirts so there's that.

They sold 8 million consoles from August to December 2014. You think that they are only going to push through 2.8 million PS4s between March, April, May, June, and July? Come on man.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

At this point, I'm not sure if UC is any less of a franchise compared to Halo.

I'd be shocked if UC4 sold leas then 7 million week 1 ww

 

[The Artisan]

They sold 8 million consoles from August to December 2014. You think that they are only going to push through 2.8 million PS4s between March, April, May, June, and July? Come on man.

But that was the middle to the end of the year. Consoles always sell better then.

I'd be shocked if UC4 sold leas then 7 million week 1 ww

is that something Halo's pulled off before?

 

[DieH@rd]

Certainly looks like Sony has shown that they do know how to make and market and sell a video game console...again!

31 million by 31/12/2015.

That's too low.

Sony had what, ~13-14million consoles sold in 2014?

I expect they will add another ~16 in 2015. 35M is achievable, and I think 37M is realistic. Especially if they have good spring and summer.

 

[The Artisan]

That's too low.

Sony had what, ~13-14million consoles sold in 2014?

I expect they will add another ~16 in 2015. 35M is achievable, and I think 37M is realistic. Especially if they have good spring and summer.

Console sales are expected to rise year over year? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I'd expect sales to slow as the install base spreads out.

 

[Nightengale]

My guess : 38-40 million if there's a 299 price-drop.

35-37 otherwise.

 

[Nightengale]

Console sales are expected to rise year over year? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I'd expect sales to slow as the install base spreads out.

A large majority of PS3's sales happened at the 299 price-point.

Lower price-points broaden the market opportunity of consoles. There's a lot of people who wouldn't buy a console untill it's hit a pricing sweet-spot.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

I like Microsoft They make a really good job with the Xbox One in my opinion.

Pack it up folks.

Edit: Ahhhh fuck I need to read tags:/

 

[Welfare]

Console sales are expected to rise year over year? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I'd expect sales to slow as the install base spreads out.

Usually a console peaks in its 3rd year. Then it starts the decline.

I expect 36 million PS4's by the end of the year.

 

[Artex]

What the hell is going on in here?

 

[fluffydelusions]

What the hell is going on in here?

 

[The Artisan]

A large majority of PS3's sales happened at the 299 price-point.

Lower price-points broaden the market opportunity of consoles. There's a lot of people who wouldn't buy a console untill it's hit a pricing sweet-spot.

yeah I forgot about a potential price cut for a sec, but even that doesn't bring a console the same momentum as it did at launch. does it?

also, do you think the majority of Ps3s sold are the slims?

Usually a console peaks in its 3rd year. Then it starts the decline.

I expect 36 million PS4's by the end of the year.

hm... I wonder how much the best selling consoles of each gen were at by their 3rd years.

 

[Genio88]

Is this one of those weird bugs in that UFC XB1/PS4 game?

 

[ZhugeEX]

yeah I forgot about a potential price cut for a sec, but even that doesn't bring a console the same momentum as it did at launch. does it?

also, do you think the majority of Ps3s sold are the slims?

hm... I wonder how much the best selling consoles of each gen were at by their 3rd years.

Pretty much every console sells better YOY for the second, third and even fourth year. (PS3 kept increasing till 5th year then decreased YOY)

In fact the Xbox 360 sold more in it's last 5 years then it did in it's first 5 years.

PS3 as an example sold-

CY 2006 - 1.7m
CY 2007 - 8.7m
CY 2008 - 10.7m
CY 2009 - 12.4m
CY 2010 - 14.4m
Cumulative total as of Dec 31st 2010 = 47.9m

Then we saw a decline YOY.

PS4 as an example

CY 2013 - 4.5m
CY 2014 - 15.4m
CY 2015 - ????
Cumulative total as of Dec 31st 2014 = 19.9m

 

[DieH@rd]

Console sales are expected to rise year over year? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I'd expect sales to slow as the install base spreads out.

Yes, console sales are supposed to rise in the first 3-4 years because majority of gamers [including many casuals] wait for $299 [and lower] prices for hardware. PS3 sold 80%+ of its total install base when price fell down to below 350$.

Usually a console peaks in its 3rd year. Then it starts the decline.

PS3 had 5 years of rising sales.

 

[The Artisan]

Pretty much every console sells better YOY for the second, third and even fourth year.

In fact the Xbox 360 sold more in it's last 5 years then it did in it's first 5 years.

well that's kinda good news.

Yes, console sales are supposed to rise in the first 3-4 years because majority of gamers [including many casuals] wait for $299 [and lower] prices for hardware. PS3 sold 80%+ of its total install base when price fell down to below 350$.




PS3 had 5 years of rising sales.

awesome.

 

[Welfare]

PS3 had 5 years of rising sales.

PS3 and 360 are exceptions to the rule I'd say. Slim revision in 09 really helped sales not slow down, and 360 had the Kinect which gave it a second breath.

 

[The Artisan]

PS3 and 360 are exceptions to the rule I'd say. Slim revision in 09 really helped sales not slow down, and 360 had the Kinect which gave it a second breath.

is it a coincidence that the consoles that you labeled exceptions were also part of an elongated generation?

 

[Welfare]

is it a coincidence that the consoles that you labeled exceptions were also part of an elongated generation?

Yes you're right

 

[DieH@rd]

PS3 and 360 are exceptions to the rule I'd say. Slim revision in 09 really helped sales not slow down, and 360 had the Kinect which gave it a second breath.

I dont see them as exception, because best gaming they both offered happened in 2nd half of their lifecycle when both consoles got the best versions of their hardware.

 

[The Artisan]

Yes you're right

well i've said it before and i'll say it again: I'm all for another 7+ console generation, as unlikely as that may be.

although, that would mean I'd turn 30 before the launch of the Ps5/Xbox Two. yikes.

 

[The Artisan]

I dont see them as exception, because best gaming they both offered happened in 2nd half of their lifecycle when both consoles got the best versions of their hardware.

I don't think the actual hardware in the consoles ever changed. Otherwise newer games would run worse on older versions of the consoles.

 

[ZhugeEX]

PS3 and 360 are exceptions to the rule I'd say. Slim revision in 09 really helped sales not slow down, and 360 had the Kinect which gave it a second breath.

Agreed. But even the PS2 saw sales increase YOY for first 3 years.

 

[ZhugeEX]

I don't think the actual hardware in the consoles ever changed. Otherwise newer games would run worse on older versions of the consoles.

Why do you always sound like you're trolling.....

Change your avatar as welll...

 

[Slayven]

hey guyz

so sony lies about their sell-through numbers

it's a conspiracy okay

it's clear that sony lies about their sell-through data reports to make themselves seem much better than xbox which is actually doing better than sony

it's proven on sales tracking website vg chartz:

http://gamrconnect.********.com/post.php?id=6598658

and we all know that ioi tracks video game sales and he is unbiased unlike sony who wants to destroy xbox by any means necessary

don't believe sony's lies sheeple

Call me crazy, but wouldn't Sony get in a lot of trouble as a publicly traded company lying about sales?

 

[Polo67]

So sony has about a 10 million unit lead on MS now. What are we expecting by the end of the year? 15 million ?

 

[JustinBbad]

i bought one last week - because bloodborne and amplitude

Welcome aboard!

 

[ZhugeEX]

So sony has about a 10 million unit lead on MS now. What are we expecting by the end of the year? 15 million ?

Less than 10 million gap at the moment. But expect it to increase over 10 million shortly.

Based on current trends the PS4 sell through for calender year 2015 should exceed 2014 sales which were 14.3m. I don't think it'll be much higher but right now it looks like it'll exceed quite easily. It'll be easier to make a better prediction later in the year though. Especially if the price is cut.

 

[EGM1966]

Call me crazy, but wouldn't Sony get in a lot of trouble as a publicly traded company lying about sales?

Indeed. It's bollocks. Officiall releases almost always say "more than" or "at least" for this reason. Funnily enough most recently it was MS with their odd "almost sold" that skirted closest to unclear press.

 

[The Artisan]

Why do you always sound like you're trolling.....

Change your avatar as welll...

so of the 100+ posts I've made in this thread you (along with god knows how many others) are still convinced I'm here to troll.

I'm not changing my avatar. I wouldn't have chosen it if I didn't like that picture. And for the record... if you guys know anything about the comics, then you'd know he actually makes himself useful.

now, back on topic, correct me if I'm wrong, but of the 7 years Ps3 was being sold, all 7 years it was using the cell. of the 8 years the 360 was being sold, it always used the tri core processor.

all that changed were the console designs and features. unless DieH@rd meant to say that developers finally understand how to take the best advantage of the hardware, I stand by what I said. If I'm wrong which I have been before, then I'll stand corrected again.

 

[ZhugeEX]

so of the 100+ posts I've made in this thread you (along with god knows how many others) are still convinced I'm here to troll.

I'm not changing my avatar. I wouldn't have chosen it if I didn't like that picture. And for the record... if you guys know anything about the comics, then you'd know he actually makes himself useful.

now, back on topic, correct me if I'm wrong, but of the 7 years Ps3 was being sold, all 7 years it was using the cell. of the 8 years the 360 was being sold, it always used the tri core processor.

all that changed were the console designs and features. unless DieH@rd meant to say that developers finally understand how to take the best advantage of the hardware, I stand by what I said. If I'm wrong which I have been before, then I'll stand corrected again.

I seriously think you're trolling. Or you genuinely don't understand peoples posts and are also quite gullible (based on previous posts of yours).

He's talking about hardware revision model. As in PS3 Slim / Super Slim and Xbox 360 S and E.

Of course he doesn't mean they changed the internal specs. But the hardware revisions that came out which took advantage of cheaper and more efficient ways to build and sell the console

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Call me crazy, but wouldn't Sony get in a lot of trouble as a publicly traded company lying about sales?

The shareholders are in on it. They just want Microsoft out of the industry and will go through whatever means necessary.

 

[The Artisan]

I seriously think you're trolling. Or you genuinely don't understand peoples posts and are also quite gullible (based on previous posts of yours).

Please try to wrap your mind around the bolded that there can in fact be people as naive as I am and was, out there (and was, because I know I was worse). But I've wanted to know more. In the entire time I've been here I never claimed to be as well informed as the rest and it took a while for me to fully get a grasp of how things work in the gaming industry, but I've learned a lot already and I am still learning, thanks to the gaf.

I don't know any better than the rest of you, so if I've looked gullible to you then it's just because I'm an easy target to be led to believe things. In other words, it sounds like I am the one getting trolled.

He's talking about hardware revision model. As in PS3 Slim / Super Slim and Xbox 360 S and E.

Of course he doesn't mean they changed the internal specs. But the hardware revisions that came out which took advantage of cheaper and more efficient ways to build and sell the console

alright. when he said "hardware" I was only thinking of the specs. cpu/gpu/ram. I don't think that's ever really changed in a console.

 

[WickedCobra03]

Amazing shit. 25 million by E3?

Please make that MGS V red,black and gold version and I would be tempted.

I did my part last December picking up a straggler Black Friday GTAV and TLoU bundle for $300. I held out because honestly, I would have easily been happy with my PS3 with the immense backlog and this gen really having nothing to offer yet as far as crazy new experience that makes any of the consoles that matter must buys. Sadly, the 3 big games that I have been playing are Hotline Miami, Geometry Wars 3 and Grand Theft Auto V; all of which are available on the PS3... :/

 

[Apt101]

Honestly, I don't think Sony even has to drop the price to increase momentum this year (though perhaps they should just prior to the Holidays). Just put out another bundle with TLoU and inFAMOUS (or LBP3) + three months of PS+.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Why do you always sound like you're trolling.....

Change your avatar as welll...

Yes, not exactly the most trustworthy face ...

 

[Assault]

Wow, these PS4 sales are incredible.

 

[Rymuth]

Please try to wrap your mind around the bolded that there can in fact be people as naive as I am.

Naive people wouldn't be self-aware enough to know they're naive

That's why we call them...naive

 

[The Artisan]

Yes, not exactly the most trustworthy face ...

that was the episode he confessed, hence the humiliated look on his face. and, if you know anything about the comics, than you that far down into the story he becomes useful.

I'm not changing my avatar.

 

[The Artisan]

Naive people wouldn't be self-aware enough to know they're naive

Yes they can. I'm fully aware of the fact that I lack a lot of knowledge that most other people around here have. But I'm less naive than I was when I first registered.

That's why we call them...naive

You call someone naive when you notice a subject in which they lack understanding of. That doesn't mean said person isn't aware of how little he knows.

Spoiler

But has the desire to learn more.