bobawesome
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Illusory Revelations#FE (SMTxFE) - First Trailer, Winter 2015 [Up: Screenshots]
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Shhh...this is what he wants.
I like the Archer's crazy aim there. She's twisting her body all sorts of weirdness tryin' to get that shot off for no good reason other than to showboat
At least her pinky is properly extended
Really looking forward to the GameXplain video that is likely coming. Actually their video on Tiki suggest one is coming and that will likely deserve it's own thread with how great their videos end up being.
AcademicSaucer
Member
GameXplain eat your heart out
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Xenoblade X at last E3 literally contradicts this.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
God, is it uploaded on youtube yet, this video player...
That was one of my biggest surprises at E3 last year. Not only did they live demo Xenoblade X, they live demoed it for over 40 FUCKING MINUTES! Then they demoed it for another 40 minutes on day 3. Not to mention they did a demo with IGN and Gamespot as well.
Not yet.
I don't remember what happened; what do you mean? Was Xenoblade X's presentation in Japanese or something?
It was a story trailer that was subtitled.
Edit: Oh yeah. How could I forget that. Thanks Blood. The entire Treehouse live demo of the very beginning of the game. They did that twice while everything was still in Japanese.
Blooddimond
Member
Yeah. They showed a live demo of the Japanese version of the game with no translations for anything, just one of the Treehouse guys explaining what was happening, in addition to a subbed trailer.
Oh, sure, there are numerous examples of Japanese trailers shown with English subtitles at E3. I was thinking more of a presentation literally all in Japanese, presenter's voice and all.
Though, I guess if text is a non-issue for a presentation going by that example, then that wouldn't matter in this game's case.
I personally thought the trailer looked interesting albeit not what I expected. But now that I think about it I'm not really sure what I expected out of this project. Kingdom Hearts but with SMT and FE instead of Disney and Final Fantasy? Medieval Devil Survivor? idk I guess those games would have been cool but something about this seems better in someways. I think a melding on these games on a conceptual/abstract level is far more interesting than a literally cross over between the two. The last thing I would have wanted out of this project is a Project X Zone styled SRPG which I hoping it wasn't . Also this way longevity is better served since it's a standalone concept that can stand on it's own two legs. I can understand why SMT fans are somewhat let down by the game since it isn't the fan service we were hoping but oh well that ship already sailed. Bring on what ever this is.
Criticism about the Jpop motif strike me as a bit odd. I'm not sure if depicting Jpop in a game is what I would call fan service or pandering. That's like saying Brutal Legend's metal motif and theme is fan service when it's integral to the game's identity and what it constantly communicates to the player. You remove that and Brutal legend isn't the same experience. I suspect something similar is occurring with this game. Also i don't get why we would complain about fan service regarding a game that exists to serve fan service in concept quite literally. I mean, it's a crossover title between two beloved franchises. I understand not liking it or not being a fan of what you saw in the trailer but lets not get beyond that. Furthermore who exactly would this be pandering to and why exactly is it a deterrent when we know nothing of how it will serve the game?
PS: I hate how fan service has been misappropriated to mean boobs and how pandering often means "shit I dont like but may appeal to someone else not me"
Criticism about the Jpop motif strike me as a bit odd. I'm not sure if depicting Jpop in a game is what I would call fan service or pandering. That's like saying Brutal Legend's metal motif and theme is fan service when it's integral to the game's identity and what it constantly communicates to the player. You remove that and Brutal legend isn't the same experience. I suspect something similar is occurring with this game. Also i don't get why we would complain about fan service regarding a game that exists to serve fan service in concept quite literally. I mean, it's a crossover title between two beloved franchises. I understand not liking it or not being a fan of what you saw in the trailer but lets not get beyond that. Furthermore who exactly would this be pandering to and why exactly is it a deterrent when we know nothing of how it will serve the game?
PS: I hate how fan service has been misappropriated to mean boobs and how pandering often means "shit I dont like but may appeal to someone else not me"
If anything I trust in the Devil Survivor team to pull it off since Devil Survivor (1, I haven't played 2) was an amazing deconstruction of the series like Pokemon and Digimon and what happens when real people happen to summon beings of power. I would love if this turns into the Madoka Magica of videogames, LOL
Rushersauce
Banned
This is too easy...
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
We couldnt assume that, because they aleady confirmed since the announcement in that direc hat it wasent going to be a SRPG, but that it was going to be just a RPG
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Did I just hear some Macross?
I didn't really think of Devil Survivor as a deconstruction of collect 'em battle/'em games it just came across as a SMT game but it was a strategy rpg with a few additional hooks and changes to that formula. That's not to say that this game won't be a deconstruction of Idolism but I don't really think the precedent here is set. Anyways I don't need it to be a deconstruction of idol culture but I admit that would be a interesting story if it's not pretentious, masturbatory, and facile.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
This would be excellent. At least incorporating the Law/Chaos element of SMT would be wonderful!
Edit: Damn work! I'm so behind on the discussion.
That was a pretty good watch. Now to wait for GameXplain.
Idol music is Japanese pop but not all Japanese pop is idol music.
Granted the person you quoted has never played any SMT game aside from Persona 4, but yeah it is very mixed.
RecursiveFault
Banned
Shoutouts to ShakuganSan
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Weird they didn't mention the obvious Miku reference. Super relevant considering the idol motif.
But very good video otherwise! Their P5 one was great too. I need to check these out more often.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Yeah lol I was expecting them to mention Miku.
Overall, it was a really solid analysis. For all the cluelessness we get from IGN, their rewind trailer videos are pretty damn strong.
LurkerPrime
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Wow, this gif is hypnotic.
zeopower6
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tbh I'm surprised no one else picked that up =_=
That IGN analysis was fine, but there's way too much Persona talk in it.
I don't feel like a lot of the Persona comparisons that are being brought up for SMTxFE are warranted. A lot of them feel like a stretch. There are some obvious parallels such as the 2-world set-up, or the high school setting, but their transformations aren't anything like "Personas," and characters aren't referencing Persona.
I don't feel like a lot of the Persona comparisons that are being brought up for SMTxFE are warranted. A lot of them feel like a stretch. There are some obvious parallels such as the 2-world set-up, or the high school setting, but their transformations aren't anything like "Personas," and characters aren't referencing Persona.
James Scott
Banned
They both take place in modern day Japan in Shibuya. It's a bit J-pop-y, with SMT-esque combat and students living a double life. I think the comparisons are warranted, and I think it's a good thing.
Femmeworth
Banned
Fanservice has included cheap sexual appeals for a long time.
Read my edit. Some of these comparisons are going too far just for the sake of it. I get that Persona is Atlus' biggest series so it's easy to compare this to it, but that doesn't mean this is anything like Persona other than the superficial similarities.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Oh yeah, the guy constantly saying 'their Persona' like it is indeed a Persona was a little annoying.
zeopower6
Member
I like that shit occasionally just not necessarily here.
Wait a min, you keep misusing J-Pop when you mean idol. =___=
I'm sure most people knew what they meant. It's an easier way of saying "summon" or w/e without confusing people.
Ok? That wasn't my point. Were bemoaning "fan service" in a game that is literally fan service in concept and not seeing the irony.
Please correct me in that case
Wait, whoa there. I have to specifically quote this in a reply: what do you mean by "SMT-esque combat"? If there's anything in the trailer I could say is absolutely different from anything SMT, it would be what we're seeing from the battle system.
I think "summon" is better than "Persona." Soon, people are going to start calling the demons in other Megaten games "Personas" if this keeps up. They're pretty thematically and conceptually relevant to the Persona games, and the transformations here aren't anything like the manifestation of the other selves from that series. They're pretty cool; kinda lessens how cool they are.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I feel like the well informed will know what he meant, while others will now refer to those characters as Persona.
zeopower6
Member
They were going to do it whether or not they saw the video, tbh. At least until we get an 'official' name for them.
For some people I think it's just the closest point of reference. In the press in particular, there's a certain reverence for P4, but a lot of those people don't actually engage with anime all that often if ever. What are really just mainstay tropes from modern anime strike them as call-backs to Persona. It's ignirant, but totally benign.
It's when the comparisons are made in a pajorative sense that I dislike, myself.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Maybe, but this doesn't help.
Oh sweet! IGN and Gamexplain saving the day. XD
You still gonna make a thread?
What is the closest game to compare it to then?
Akhe
Member
God bless GameXplain
Why are you saying that like this game absolutely must be compared to another? SMTxFE shares similarities with Persona. It also clearly has its own identity. Its own identity doesn't have to be diluted by having every single aspect of it relate to another game.
Maybe just for the videos alone for more legitimate discussion. But if Gamexplain goes as detailed as I expect them to, they'll probably cover everything I was gonna photoshop.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Both IGN and GameXplain say "hashtag" thanks to modern day social media lol. Would be cool if one of them said 'sharp", but I don't blame them, I guess.