Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Lol WAT!?
I'm out. straight up no point anymore.
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Destiny House of Wolves will Have no New Raid
- Thread starter mcrommert
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They didn't put MM into VoG or CE because it wouldn't be fun with MM not because it would be technically hard to implement.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I would like to take this moment to recount a memorable story of Halo: CE's AI -- I was playing the campaign (I think it was the level "Halo") and I was attacking this group of grunts + an elite (their leader, obviously). I stuck a grunt who happened to be near the elite, when the elite called the grunt an idiot as the grunt was practically screaming and running in circles around the elite. The elite promptly rolls off a cliff to certain doom before the grunt explodes.
It was priceless.
It was priceless.
Stilton Disco
Member
I was lucky enough to end up getting the CE for £5, with a free T-Shirt, OK headphones and £10 worth of loyalty card points, so I'll play this regardless, but man has content been utter shite. I still feel a bit ripped of frankly. Easily my most disappointing game since Mass Effect 3.
yodathesoda
Member
I'm going to do a crazy thing here and wait until the content is out to judge it.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Man the rage is real. And so deserved it. Bungie truly lost it man. One of the great developers on downfall since last year.
Whats the point of all the money if you lose respect and love from your fans and community? I guess they just dont give a shit anymore.
Cant wait to see how their next game will do. I am not supporting that is for sure.
Whats the point of all the money if you lose respect and love from your fans and community? I guess they just dont give a shit anymore.
Cant wait to see how their next game will do. I am not supporting that is for sure.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I really can't believe people or so upset by this. I love modes like this and can't wait to see how it plays with the Destiny sandbox.
PepperedHam
Member
If it's a horde mode then I'll be ecstatic. That's all I've been wanting from them since I quit.
If it has enough modifiers and enough variety then this will be great for my friends and I.
Of course though this is a real shame for the people that have raids as their Destiny mainstay. Makes no sense to me that they couldn't just include both. Unless this Arena thing is as robust as a raid content wise.
We shall see.
If it has enough modifiers and enough variety then this will be great for my friends and I.
Of course though this is a real shame for the people that have raids as their Destiny mainstay. Makes no sense to me that they couldn't just include both. Unless this Arena thing is as robust as a raid content wise.
We shall see.
burritosenior
Member
Modifiers would be a big one. Hopefully they're as robust as, say, Halo's skulls. There were bad ones. There were ones that helped the player/made it more fun. I hope we get both instead of just, 'lightswitch' again and again type of thing.
As someone who's put over 100 hours into destiny but only raided a few times due to parental responsibilities... I get it. Bungie wants endgame content that doesn't require such a huge time commitment from six players, but considering how content starved the game is now, HoW should have been a raid AND prison of elders.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
Lars is still with them, right? Maybe it'll be good.
Then I misinterpreted your original post, because that looked to be talking about the technical side:
The Arena is new content. It's as difficult as they want to make it. What's the problem with making this a six-player raid that's, well, more accessible? If you want to preserve the idea that raids are for the Chosen Few, you can still mix things up in terms of nomenclature (and maybe that's why they're calling it an Arena and not a Raid?), but I'm still baffled that they're keeping it three-person content.
Thrall's Birthday Party anyone?
SolicitorPirate
Member
I think people (myself included) are so quick to judge because Bungie has done nothing but damaged our faith in them. If Destiny hadn't been so content starved, if Crota wasn't as disappointing, we'd be a lot more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. As it stands, the only thing Bungie has done that has been met with near universal praise have been the raids, which is exactly what is missing in this expansion.
People would be a lot less upset if there was more to actually do in the sandbox.
Look at Dragonball Xenoverse. That general loop of the game is surprisingly similar to Destiny and its DLC are similarly anemic (3 story missions, new moves, new mentor vs 3 story missions, new loot and new raid/arena thing). The responses however were completely different precisely because Xenoverse was already full of content from the start. People felt that buying the DLC was just topping off an already rich game, whereas DLC for Destiny is a lifeline so that there's more than a handful of fucking strikes to actually do.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
I've officially turned on Destiny. I loved this game at one point, but looking back now I can see just how full of bullshit it really was.
I don't feel like I wasted my time, but I do feel the game is an astounding example of an underwhelming delivery.
A co-op horde mode sounds fun, but for how long?
I don't feel like I wasted my time, but I do feel the game is an astounding example of an underwhelming delivery.
A co-op horde mode sounds fun, but for how long?
Interficium
Banned
According to PSN trophies, only 20 percent of Destiny players have ever completed a raid.
Stealthcobra
Member
You must not have played borderlands
DAREALGUMMY
Member
I'm barely level 20 and nothing really compels me to get any expansion for this game.
No maybe about it, co-op completely trivializes Halo encounters, absolutely no coordination required, you kidding me right now? Halo has the better vehicle sandbox, bout all I'd give it on the PVE side.
GitarooMan
Member
The problem for Bungie is trying to balance the interests of the raiding groups with those people who may not be investing the time and/or want to go hunting down 6 people for raiding. you can't just appeal to raiders or the user base will just confinue to dwindle. To me the biggest failing of Destiny is its complete dearth of interesting endgame content for solo/smaller groups. Focusing only on the 6 player endgame content was a mistake from the start, and I wonder if they may be coming around on that. Might be too late though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
My argument is that a horde mode has longer longevity than a raid, if done right.
At this point, everyone hates Crota hard mode and Atheon is a 5 minute encounter that people do only for exotics.
That's subjective to the player in question, but it definitely could for a portion of the playerbase. I don't see why they couldn't have included both, though, other than deciding that since the raid likely requires more developmental resources, they were better off financially just holding it back until they could force everyone to pay for it.
7DollarHagane
Banned
further validates my choice to trade the game in while i could get $30 for it.
It's okay but not good. What a shame that bungie chose to ape boring, grindy MMO design over their excellent FPS and multiplayer formula.
It's okay but not good. What a shame that bungie chose to ape boring, grindy MMO design over their excellent FPS and multiplayer formula.
Sounds about right. No having matchmaking makes finding 5 other players a bit of an issue for the less social players out there.
Probably a lot of people, since the raids were the best content in the game.
HocusPocus
Member
They have been on a steady decline since halo 3 imho. Never understood all the hype for destiny.
SirRyanOfSmeg
Member
Sounds good to me. I've always wanted a Horde-like gametype in Destiny. That Fatebringer picture...I've got so many 300 legendaries that need upgraded. This DLC may bring me back to the game.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I speak as someone who has done it every single week. Including that stupid 12 hour Crota battle that some people on DestinyGAF still make fun of us for.
I don't know if they felt the need to go back to the drawing board, because the raids came down to basically cheese and repeating the same effective strategy over and over again. That's not to say that this new mode would have it's own exploits, but I'd rather they find something new to challenge players other than making everything higher level than you.
Yeah, as disappointed as I am I'm going to hold off on any harsh judgments until we actually see what the new mode is like. If it's just a generic horde mode though.... I think that's going to be it for me and Destiny (or at least until Fall when Comet comes out).
Hah yes, hours not days.
As for what there is to do... that's about how long it took to acquire every piece of exotic loot in the game and get it all to max level, plus other assorted pieces of loot that I wanted.
That stat is always unfair because many people never even made it to the Destiny endgame. Matchmaking for raids is really not the issue.
Only 24% of Destiny players have a complete set of Legendary Armor (a requirement for raiding).
19% of players have completed a raid.
So of the players who would be eligible to raid, roughly 80% of them have raided at some point or another.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I actually wonder how many people will pay for further Destiny content and then Destiny II. It seems like so many bridges have been burned between when Destiny was first announced and today, I don't think this is a Call of Duty situation where you make some amazing games and then start piece-mealing content out yearly to stretch out the revenue horizon.
Destiny never established itself the way CoD did in that way so now after House of Wolves we'll see with the 3rd "expansion" (the first not included in the Expansion Pass), further DLC, and then Destiny II just how many people are still out there who are still willing to pay for the Destiny franchise. I have a sneaking suspicion that Destiny II will have a pretty steep sequel drop-off compared to the sales of most AAA franchise sequels, and if that happens Bungie and Activision absolutely deserve it.
Destiny never established itself the way CoD did in that way so now after House of Wolves we'll see with the 3rd "expansion" (the first not included in the Expansion Pass), further DLC, and then Destiny II just how many people are still out there who are still willing to pay for the Destiny franchise. I have a sneaking suspicion that Destiny II will have a pretty steep sequel drop-off compared to the sales of most AAA franchise sequels, and if that happens Bungie and Activision absolutely deserve it.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I wonder what the general opinion of the game is within Bungie. Do they think it's a good game worthy of their name? Do they think it was problems but either can't or don't know how to fix them? Or is the reason the game is what it is because decision makers in the studio can't agree on what Destiny should be and how it should grow?
MeBecomingI
Member
It doesn't bother me personally, as I wasn't even able to play one raid in my time playing the game because of the requirement of everyone to be invited or on your friends list. I had a few friends that played it, but we could never get enough for a full raid.
A friend and I were actually talking about the game on Friday (and talked about why they haven't announced the new pack... good timing, apparently) and we talked about how we felt they needed to loosen the restrictions on raids or release more content for those who aren't into the raid scene to bring some of those players back. This seems to cater to that crowd. I'm actually interested to hear more about this mode and it seems like something him, his friend and I could actually play together.
That said, for those that do raid, this is pretty awful. Probably should've have both a new raid and the new mode and then maybe announce that they wouldn't have a raid in the next pack or something. I mean, people have been craving a new raid for a long time. To suddenly spring up and say they aren't providing a new raid with the pack is a pretty shitty move.
A friend and I were actually talking about the game on Friday (and talked about why they haven't announced the new pack... good timing, apparently) and we talked about how we felt they needed to loosen the restrictions on raids or release more content for those who aren't into the raid scene to bring some of those players back. This seems to cater to that crowd. I'm actually interested to hear more about this mode and it seems like something him, his friend and I could actually play together.
That said, for those that do raid, this is pretty awful. Probably should've have both a new raid and the new mode and then maybe announce that they wouldn't have a raid in the next pack or something. I mean, people have been craving a new raid for a long time. To suddenly spring up and say they aren't providing a new raid with the pack is a pretty shitty move.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Wow.
What a waste.
What a waste.
NullPointer
Member
That was my feeling from the bits I played on VoG. Lots of insta-fail scenarios and invulnerable enemies and bosses with gobs and gobs and gobs of HP. It requires coordination, yes, but I don't see how that makes them better encounters than you'd find in a Halo. You have battles in Halo, with combats going back and forth and you learn to adapt - Destiny for me was more about following the plan, with the acts of heroism happening when that plan falls apart.
I'm not at all upset that Bungie is trying something different here but it does seem weird to spring this news all of a sudden and then go mostly quiet to adhere to the marketing drip-feed schedule. It comes across as tone-deaf.
toastyToast
Member
lol
Even though Crota's End was basically horde mode at least there were some team objectives to keep it interesting. I really thought they'd come up with something similar to VoG but then they came out with Crota's End (lol) and no they aren't even bothering with another raid (lol)
At the very least they need to make the other two raids relevant for people at max level
Even though Crota's End was basically horde mode at least there were some team objectives to keep it interesting. I really thought they'd come up with something similar to VoG but then they came out with Crota's End (lol) and no they aren't even bothering with another raid (lol)
At the very least they need to make the other two raids relevant for people at max level
But you said "Out of all the loot games...."
If the game is not enough like Borderlands then fine, but that game is not really indicative of the entire genre.
So the issue then becomes they made the requirement to get to a raid an issue for casual players. I think the raids are fun and all but going by those trophy stats, it seems that while the raids may be the best content for the game, the majority of players are not seeing them. It then makes sense to why they would cut a new raid and instead opt to add more things that are accessible without the requirements for a raid. Sucks for those who have been waiting for a new raid though.
xplicitone
Member
Reserving judgement until it drops. But atm, no 6-man is disappointing. However, UPGRADED FATEBRINGER!! Just like the final Urn mission for TDB (which is really fun) , Arena has a lot of potential
mugoldeneagle03
Member
I've played Destiny quite a bit since it came out, stuck with it through the bad times, and defended some of it's biggest problems in the name of "fun co-op", but not having a raid sucks.
I'm willing to wait and see how it looks but when literally everyone in the community universally praises one aspect of the game, raids, it's shitty knowing we won't get another one until probably September at the earliest.
For some reason I keep trying to pin the shortfalls on Activision and not Bungie. I mean it makes sense financially to drop a new raid post comet when they project an even bigger community but at what cost to the current one? I'm very interested to see player #'s currently, I imagine they fell off a ton the last few months.
I already have HoW bought, but it's going to take a ton of convincing to go in on any future DLC.
I'm willing to wait and see how it looks but when literally everyone in the community universally praises one aspect of the game, raids, it's shitty knowing we won't get another one until probably September at the earliest.
For some reason I keep trying to pin the shortfalls on Activision and not Bungie. I mean it makes sense financially to drop a new raid post comet when they project an even bigger community but at what cost to the current one? I'm very interested to see player #'s currently, I imagine they fell off a ton the last few months.
I already have HoW bought, but it's going to take a ton of convincing to go in on any future DLC.
johnnyquicknives
Member
Do you not think that the 20% that have completed the raid are more likely to be the people willing to shell out for a pretty expensive season pass though?