Arkage
Banned
Yes, it's hilarious when a company angers the majority of players still bothering to play it. I'm sure it's all laughs down at Bungie when they read this thread.
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Destiny House of Wolves will Have no New Raid
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Yes, it's hilarious when a company angers the majority of players still bothering to play it. I'm sure it's all laughs down at Bungie when they read this thread.
ebullientprism
Member
Anyone who ever wants to order a season pass pre release for any game should look at this and reconsider.
This is what happens when you hand your money over to a developer without ever knowing what you are getting.
This is what happens when you hand your money over to a developer without ever knowing what you are getting.
I refuse to pretend to be excited for this. I wanted a new raid and I'm not getting it. I wish I didn't spend money on the season pass.
HawksWinStanley
Member
What is hyperbolic about those statements? I feel foolish for spending money on this and thinking I'd actually get another raid. And yeah, that other guy probably did delete the game from his hard drive. Is that really that outlandish and hard to believe? Or do you just not really understand what the word means? It's ok if it's the latter, I don't think half the people who use it regularly on here know what it means.
The people still playing don't give a shit about that $40. They want the fucking content they expected for that price. The lack of content is what stings, not the stealing of their $40. It's that the game they love to play is not getting the content they hoped for.
JHoNNy1OoO
Member
Damn. Stopped playing Destiny a month ago(got boring, friends stopped playing) and the only thing I was looking forward to jumping back in the game was the new raid. I find it hard to see myself returning with no new raid and most likely dismissing the game altogether going forward.
I have absolutely no trust in Bungie anymore when it comes to this game.
I have absolutely no trust in Bungie anymore when it comes to this game.
I'm relieved
Look forward to new content that doesn't require coordinating six people
Became really stressful around the time the last raid hard mode came out
Alright
This is fucking stupid
Luckily getting 3 people together is much easier than 6
Bungie needs to fucking get over thinking raids (or anything in the game) can't have matchmaking
Look forward to new content that doesn't require coordinating six people
Became really stressful around the time the last raid hard mode came out
Alright
This is fucking stupid
Luckily getting 3 people together is much easier than 6
Bungie needs to fucking get over thinking raids (or anything in the game) can't have matchmaking
SolicitorPirate
Member
While I would normally argue for a wait and see approach, you cannot look at the reactions in this thread without considering the greater context of how Bungie has handled this game.
With the exception of VoG and to a lesser extent, the Crota raid, everything that Bungie has done post release has been divisive at best, if not outright disappointing. They simply have done nothing to earn any goodwill towards giving them the benefit of the doubt. At this stage, it would be prudent to assume whatever Bungie does for Destiny will be shit until proven otherwise.
I think this new mode is intriguing. I haven't played the game in several weeks but I guess I just don't see the outrage about it considering we haven't actually seen what it entails yet. I can understand people being annoyed that it's 3 person co-op rather than 6 but they haven't said exactly what it is yet, and they haven't confirmed that it's horde mode. It could be a boss rush with raid-like mechanics in between or something. I don't have a whole lot of faith in Bungie anymore, though I do think that they must have something interesting here if they're doing it instead of a traditional raid.
If they show it on May 6th and it's an absolute mess, then people have the right to complain, but I think it's a little early. I would've also liked a raid instead, but this could potentially be a cool mode if it's done right. They're going to livestream gameplay of it two weeks before HoW comes out, so that's going to be the real test. We'll have to wait and see.
If they show it on May 6th and it's an absolute mess, then people have the right to complain, but I think it's a little early. I would've also liked a raid instead, but this could potentially be a cool mode if it's done right. They're going to livestream gameplay of it two weeks before HoW comes out, so that's going to be the real test. We'll have to wait and see.
I still boggles my mind how stupid and inept they have been at handling this situation. If the raid wasn't ready for a May release, then so be it. But god damn, why would you announce that there is no raid on the same day you announce the expansion content?
All the headlines for the next week are going to read "No Raid in House of Wolves" when they should have ideally read "Bungie announces new modes, maps for Destiny expansion".
As soon as they made the decision to delay the raid, they should have announced it rather than letting people think it was a few weeks away. Alongside the delay should have been a special preview of the raid itself, to take some of the sting off the bad news. Show us a couple environments, a couple bosses, maybe some of the loot.
Then AFTER that shitstorm has blown over, announce everything that is going to be in the expansion. Tell us in detail about the new Arena mode. Show us what it looks like. Tell us what the rewards will be.
Instead you have this clusterfuck where the all the good news is going to be immediately overshadowed by 1 piece of bad news. Is Activision calling the shots on this PR? You'd think they would know better.
All the headlines for the next week are going to read "No Raid in House of Wolves" when they should have ideally read "Bungie announces new modes, maps for Destiny expansion".
As soon as they made the decision to delay the raid, they should have announced it rather than letting people think it was a few weeks away. Alongside the delay should have been a special preview of the raid itself, to take some of the sting off the bad news. Show us a couple environments, a couple bosses, maybe some of the loot.
Then AFTER that shitstorm has blown over, announce everything that is going to be in the expansion. Tell us in detail about the new Arena mode. Show us what it looks like. Tell us what the rewards will be.
Instead you have this clusterfuck where the all the good news is going to be immediately overshadowed by 1 piece of bad news. Is Activision calling the shots on this PR? You'd think they would know better.
Shaqiri1987
Banned
A game that was severely lacking content will not include a new raid in its second major expansion.
Prison of Elders sounds like we can expect to face slightly different colored enemies in the exact same environments we have been running through since launch.
If i look up lazy developing 101, i suspect it will redirect me Bungie.net
Destiny was the first and last game where i buy a season pass. I thought since it was Bungie, i would end up getting my money's worth.
Prison of Elders sounds like we can expect to face slightly different colored enemies in the exact same environments we have been running through since launch.
If i look up lazy developing 101, i suspect it will redirect me Bungie.net
Destiny was the first and last game where i buy a season pass. I thought since it was Bungie, i would end up getting my money's worth.
ThaPhantom
Member
I actually dislike raids and have been wanting something like the rifts in Diablo so if this horde mode has enough variety and replayability I am actually going to be happy with this expansion.
We literally know nothing other then you play with your fireteam. Get out of here with this shit.
For many of us, the raids were, by far, the best part of Destiny. By far. You really can't understand why people would be upset? /gaf
Well, to be fair, all non-raid content falls into this category.
It honestly sounds like they did decide to not make a raid
(I mean this raid was supposed to focus on the fallen and the next expansion supposedly focuses on the hive so it will be pretty obvious that they are screwing everyone over if a new fallen focused raid comes out this year)
The problem is their blatant disregard for the fact that everyone expected a raid and them not talking about this sooner
They do have a disturbing pattern of complete disrespect for their community
This is the type of thing they should have notified the community of as soon as they decided to even consider not including a raid in the new expansion
Granted it works out for me and I am personally happy with the decision
And yes, there is absolutely no fucking way Activision is calling the shots over PR
Shaqiri1987
Banned
Bungie literally said,
"House of Wolves will have a new cooperative end game activity focused on variety, replayability, and skill – a new battle Arena called The Prison of Elders."
It's gonna be horde mode. Has Bungie created a single new item or environment since releasing Destiny?
Ohh look at that sweet legendary ship from Vault of Glass that now has Bones on it because it came from Crota's End. Soooo sick!!!!!!!!!
I think the $20 price tag for expansions makes it apparent they wanted to charge a monthly subscription fee as they are clearly charging for more than just the content of the expansion
It's shady but overall fine for me personally as I have gotten far more than $100 of value out of destiny
It's shady but overall fine for me personally as I have gotten far more than $100 of value out of destiny
MrChowderClams
Member
good god
I really don't understand the hatred on this decision. I play Destiny regularly with my friends, and I am almost at 100 hours played. I have completed both raids, and frankly, neither are as fun as normal strike missions because most fireteams you join (as you require six people) will want to cheese the raid, or follow everything to an exact formula to defeat them. They become the most chore-like activity in the game, because if you have someone who is new to them, it takes a little while to teach them the mechanics. The first time you play, it takes quite a while to defeat, but once you know what you're doing, they don't offer a stark contrast from any other mission. As a result, my friends and I do not play them very often.
It seems to me people would welcome a new game-mode, even if it is horde mode, because that will offer scaleable difficulty for smaller parties. Horde mode was well executed in Halo ODST, and Gears of War comes to mind as a game with an enjoyable horde mode--so why wouldn't it be fun in Destiny?
For those of you who have already sunk hundreds of hours into Destiny, how much playtime did you want to consider having gotten your money's worth? I think as I am about to eclipse 100 hours, it has been well worth the $40 I paid on Amazon, and with the extra $20 for the Season Pass, it was the cost of one MSRP package.
If any company deserves the benefit of the doubt, I would argue Bungie has earned it, after releasing one of gaming's most iconic series in Halo, and being amazingly accessible to its fans and community. It's confusing to see the vitriol stemming from this decision.
It seems to me people would welcome a new game-mode, even if it is horde mode, because that will offer scaleable difficulty for smaller parties. Horde mode was well executed in Halo ODST, and Gears of War comes to mind as a game with an enjoyable horde mode--so why wouldn't it be fun in Destiny?
For those of you who have already sunk hundreds of hours into Destiny, how much playtime did you want to consider having gotten your money's worth? I think as I am about to eclipse 100 hours, it has been well worth the $40 I paid on Amazon, and with the extra $20 for the Season Pass, it was the cost of one MSRP package.
If any company deserves the benefit of the doubt, I would argue Bungie has earned it, after releasing one of gaming's most iconic series in Halo, and being amazingly accessible to its fans and community. It's confusing to see the vitriol stemming from this decision.
Man, I remember watching the Destiny reveal back at E3 2013 and being so pumped. Played the Alpha and the Beta, and was super excited for the full game. Then threads started popping up on here talking about how many areas were in the game, and how the scope seemed much smaller than anticipated.
"Nah", I thought. Even if it's not as huge as expected, it'll still be great. Bought the LE and everything. Man, what a disappointment the game turned out to be. Never even played the first add-on that came with my Expansion Pass. Still haven't even done a raid.
I really hope Destiny 2 turns out better for those who buy it, but I definitely won't.
/coolstorybro
"Nah", I thought. Even if it's not as huge as expected, it'll still be great. Bought the LE and everything. Man, what a disappointment the game turned out to be. Never even played the first add-on that came with my Expansion Pass. Still haven't even done a raid.
I really hope Destiny 2 turns out better for those who buy it, but I definitely won't.
/coolstorybro
I think it's much more likely that they wanted to have the raid done for House of Wolves, but were having trouble finishing it for reasons unknown. So first they delayed the expansion from March until "Q2 2105", hoping they could finish the raid before the end of June. Then at some point they realized that the raid wasn't going to be finished before Q2, so they were faced with the choice of either delaying the entire expansion or simply delaying the raid. Somebody made the call that it was better to push the raid back rather than to go another 2-3 months with no new content for anybody.
StriKeVillain
Banned
That's funny. I followed basically the same path prior to launch. But when those threads popped up regarding lack of content I knew I should hold out until I knew more.
Here I am, still wanting to play the game (since I enjoyed the beta so much) but finding myself unable to shed the cash necessary to hop in.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
This is what happens when you give a company a huge success (with a new ip) without them actually earning it. They would see no reason to improve anything.
Orochinagis
Member
The problems is only 20% of the players completed a raid but yeah is pretty mindblowing not having a raid in the incomign DLC, poor Ghost edition owners
Complains about lack of content
Never even attempted most enjoyable part of game
makes sense
Destiny is six months old -- it pretty regularly goes on sale for $30 or less. Even with this disappointing news, I think it's worth it at that price if you enjoy looty-grindy type stuff.
I enjoyed my time raiding with dgaf. Some of the most fun coop experiences I ever had.
I have mixed feelings on this one. I enjoy the raids but I dont like that its the only consistent option to get equipment. Looks like new dlc will provide an avenue for pvp'ers to grab equipment. I approve. I do think this game desperately needs more pvp features. Would love to see map voting, spawn on a buddy, new game modes, etc. Just basic things we had in Halo Reach...
On the other hand, I do feel for the dedicated pve'ers. The raids do provide a lot of entertainment and are very well done. I just want them to provide an equivalent solution for pvp players to get items in which I think they will address. And hopefully it won't be a limited time, super grindy event like those Iron Banners
Alas, I'm playing Bloodborne and will be getting Witcher 3. havent been playing Destiny much at all (maybe a total of 2 hrs playtime in a month). I'm usually much more likely to buy a new game then dlc. that's just how it goes...
I have mixed feelings on this one. I enjoy the raids but I dont like that its the only consistent option to get equipment. Looks like new dlc will provide an avenue for pvp'ers to grab equipment. I approve. I do think this game desperately needs more pvp features. Would love to see map voting, spawn on a buddy, new game modes, etc. Just basic things we had in Halo Reach...
On the other hand, I do feel for the dedicated pve'ers. The raids do provide a lot of entertainment and are very well done. I just want them to provide an equivalent solution for pvp players to get items in which I think they will address. And hopefully it won't be a limited time, super grindy event like those Iron Banners
Alas, I'm playing Bloodborne and will be getting Witcher 3. havent been playing Destiny much at all (maybe a total of 2 hrs playtime in a month). I'm usually much more likely to buy a new game then dlc. that's just how it goes...
New thought
Maybe they gutted the raid and used all the assets they had built to make this new mode instead
I just don't think they would have delayed the raid out of the expansion for later release
Like I said before though
It will be obvious If I am wrong based on the content of the next raid
If the a raid released this year is fallen based than I think any good will they have left will be 100% gone
Lets get matchmaking for the raid and the percentage should go up. I'm guessing the main reason so many players haven't completed one is the lack of matchmaking.
Without a doubt
Totally bro, this is 100% fact.
I've seen both of them played, neither seem very enjoyable; PVP is the most fun for me, and even that doesn't entice me to come back.
Sorry the game isn't that good man, good luck with Destiny 2
Don't do it man, learn from my mistake
Sevyne
Member
Well, there goes my motivation for starting Destiny back up...right out the window. Had a set 6 man Fire team of really great people that I met originally by random pick ups, and now I have to leave out half or rotate in people for some other unknown mode? No thanks.
The biggest draw for me were raids and its a huge disappointment hearing this news. Sure, the previous raids lacked a lot and were loaded with bugs/issues, but it I looked forward to it every week simply due to the people I was running with. Now I can't even have that satisfaction.
Honestly though, I'm not even mad at Bungie anymore. I fell for the hype and blindly bought the season pass (something I never do). That's on me. However, they've done nothing to gain my trust, only lose it. I'll not be preordering another game or DLC from them for sure. I'll wait until post release impressions/etc come in.
The biggest draw for me were raids and its a huge disappointment hearing this news. Sure, the previous raids lacked a lot and were loaded with bugs/issues, but it I looked forward to it every week simply due to the people I was running with. Now I can't even have that satisfaction.
Honestly though, I'm not even mad at Bungie anymore. I fell for the hype and blindly bought the season pass (something I never do). That's on me. However, they've done nothing to gain my trust, only lose it. I'll not be preordering another game or DLC from them for sure. I'll wait until post release impressions/etc come in.
After the terrible Dark Below DLC, this was the update that I was waiting for to decide to ever come back. With the news of this update that will never happen.
My problem isn't only the raid but also the communication. Destiny have one of the worst PR/communication I have ever seen. At times it feels like they have no idea what they are making.
The reset of exotic gear was one of the things that killed most of my excitement. Then it was the mission content of Dark Below (finished in 40 min). Now there is this update that seals the deal. Not ever coming back.
I've followed it, so I understand your point, haha...but I guess I am more hung up on so many people asking for refunds or feel like they've been defrauded after purchasing this game. I guess my thoughts are that it offered enough content to warrant the price, considering any number of games that offer considerably less content. It's almost as if people feel betrayed by Bungie somehow, and that's where I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Even if this game didn't deliver on initial goals or scope, I'd chalk this up as a slight misstep in an otherwise strong track record for Bungie as a developer.
So having "troubles in development" is suddenly a valid reason to move content intended for the already paid for DLC to a new expansion which has yet to be paid for? How is that any better?
TheOctodad
Member
I played this game excessively for awhile. I was playing with a number of my friends for awhile through both the raids. But after getting all the weapons but a few that I really wanted and having no way of getting them other than continuing a repetitive RNG grind, I stopped.
I quickly realized that the game had become a chore and was not worth it. This news just seals that opinion for me.
I quickly realized that the game had become a chore and was not worth it. This news just seals that opinion for me.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Already mentioned it, but according to PSN only 25% of players have a set of Legendary gear, which is absolutely necessary for tackling the raid. Even if they introduced raid matchmaking, the net result would only be an additional 5% of players running the raid. The other 75% of players wouldn't be able to participate even if they could.
What?!?! For real?
I was hoping to read that they will make Nightfalls have matching now as well as all the new content. As people on my friends list fall away from this game I don't want to have to waste time finding teammates. The game can do that me.... Or it could.
PSASBR
Really?
Here are 3 major releases from the last year
The Order
Titanfall
Evolve