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Uhhhh the daredevil tv series was pretty dour as well except for a few moments with foggy. Clearly adaptations also prefer him to be a bit darker as well
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Batman v Superman [Official Trailer Release]
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Man, that is some shitty art.
The basic story may be his but I doubt it goes much beyond that.
Don't fix what isn't broken.
I mean, it isn't even as though there aren't different flavors to Batman over the years. Miller, Morrison, Dini/Timm, Burton and Nolan all portrayed reasonably different versions of the character. Some of them have even been known to make a joke every once in a while.
Bobby Roberts
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It says I'm willing to engage with you on a thing you said?
I'm pretty sure that's all it actually says.
He's playing BATMAN. The character isn't especially known for dramatic fluctuations in tone of voice. Plus when Batman, it appears his voice is going to be electronically modulated/adjusted anyway.
What about his vocal range is worrying you, specifically? You're still not actually addressing that. What is it about the way he delivers his lines bugs you?
I mean, I can kinda understand people wondering about Jesse Eisenberg's line deliveries because he occupies a register people tend to associate with Woody Allen more than anything, and that doesn't really align with previous portrayals like Clancy Brown's, or Gene Hackman's, or Kevin Spacey's. But I don't understand what it is about the way Ben Affleck talks that has you hung up.
I mean, aside from Mallrats, what other films of his have you seen? Hollywoodland? Gone Girl? Argo? The Town? Changing Lanes? Boiler Room?
30 years? Get you weren't alive in the 90s.
The fuck? I wouldn't describe Marco Martin's artwork shitty or bad at all.
Michael F. Assbender
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FTFY, because comics are shitty at pathos.
TheDarkKnight774
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Hahaha no way. Waid's DD is great but like factions hawkeye it's a totally different take on the character than he is 99% of the time. Which is fine, but it's not their core nature. Matts core is to be mopey and depressed. Bruce's is to be obsessed and internalize all tragedy to fuel himself
It's good that you like it, but it sounds like crap to me.
Even for superheroes which operate mostly in the realm of nonsensical storytelling, that many tragedies sound like overkill to me. What's next? Is he going to have a kid, and someone is going to burn that child alive? He's still going to somehow cope with it though, I'm sure.
BadAss2961
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Shout out to all the folks that constantly bitched and moaned about the destruction in Man of Steel. Without you, we may not have gotten the awesome themes on display here.
TheDarkKnight774
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What are you complaining about exactly? These characters are ongoing mythologies that started in the 40s+. They're not finite stories, they rack up triumphs and tragedies over the years as different creators do their takes on the characters. No one takes the stance to incorporate 50 years of storytelling when they have their turn on the character. Continuity and character history is only as relevant as the creators want it to be for the story they want to tell at that time. Otherwise just ignore it
I'm getting exhausted by people saying there's no room for darker/brooding comic book films or characters at this point.
Seriously, there's a wide, wide spectrum of ways to make films and tell stories. Not everything is going to be 1 part comedy, 1 part action, 1 part glib machismo. There's a place for that type of entertainment just as much as there's a place for something more serious or dire.
Less content policing, please.
Seriously, there's a wide, wide spectrum of ways to make films and tell stories. Not everything is going to be 1 part comedy, 1 part action, 1 part glib machismo. There's a place for that type of entertainment just as much as there's a place for something more serious or dire.
Less content policing, please.
I'm still apprehensive on this after MoS, but I'm just so glad Goyer is gone, I can't wait to actually get some good dialogue and themes which will be delivered on, rather then telling us how important they are before getting distracted by a cgi crapfest mood killing final act and delivering on nothing.
More_Badass
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Nah, man, Daredevil is one of the coolest characters around. I started reading the comics due to the series coming out, and his stories are fantastic.
Kenzodielocke
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Can you give me some examples of David Goyer's bad lines ?
badcrumble
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The Dark Knight Returns is a great Batman comic for people who have only read that and no other Batman comics.
Dark Knight returns at least up till the final mutant fight is absolutely amazing and I have read other batman comics. What about TDKR you did not like?
I'm not complaining about anything. Stop being so defensive, and just read the posts. Someone posted a ridiculous list of this character going through all these crazy events, yet apparently being normal enough to make jokes, and stay as a superhero. Which, frankly, sounds like crap. If it's different stories, then making such a huge list is silly in the first place because I don't see how it'd be relevant. What is the point being made here exactly? You tell me.
I'm just going to list all these entirely unrelated events of this character, from different stories to make a point about how someone can remain quippy after experiencing the tragedies of one hundred men.
What are you trying to say now? WHO THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN?
It looks like art from the sixties.
Also the shading looks like it's done with a photoshop filter.
So was the entire Dark Knight trilogy.
Nolan's Batman suit to me was fugly. This here, this is the Dark Knight....returning.
I'm honestly surprised that nobody seems to have figured it out yet.
This seems like a fun breakdown/speculation
http://comicbook.com/2015/04/17/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-trailer-1-an-in-depth-look/
Some of the things I noted
"Is it really surprising that the most powerful man in the world should be a figure of controversy?" Asks Charlie Rose.
http://comicbook.com/2015/04/17/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-trailer-1-an-in-depth-look/
Some of the things I noted
"Is it really surprising that the most powerful man in the world should be a figure of controversy?" Asks Charlie Rose.
DarkJediKnight
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"Not the hero they need, but the hero they deserves"
Joker to Maggie Gyllenhall: "And you ARE beautiful!" Maggie Gylinhall looks like a grandma, with her droopy face.
Who decided to put that crap in?
badcrumble
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It focuses way too much on Bruce as a completely lonely guy (largely to the exclusion of his actually-quite-strong supporting cast), basically denies any useful focus on the Bat-family, and pretty unconvincingly has him turn against a bunch of his core philosophical tenets. It did a great job of recontextualizing Batman's relationship to the Joker in ways that were very important to both characters going forward, but in terms of Batman's relationship to Gotham or to the world I think it's very poorly handled.
Gimme Grant Morrison Batman over Frank Miller Batman ten times out of ten.
Maninthemirror
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Lol yes this is what I was thinking too . They seem to directly address the issues people have with man of steel thematically as a plot point
unholyrevenger72
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I know right, if everybody on earth made a list of the best superhero movies. Then translated those titles into their writers guess who's name would pop up the most, Goyer.
Ahh so the Larry Fong Easter Egg is that the rocket is 003... which in reverse is 300
https://twitter.com/larryfong/status/589497030227075074
https://twitter.com/larryfong/status/589497030227075074
Pretty sure that was intentional & I don't see how that's a bad thing. The art was inspired by Wally Wood's daredevil.
Future Foundation
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The script to TDK was a Nolan/Nolan joint, so if you've got a problem with it, it's on them.
The second line isn't indicative of quality, but because you think Maggie Gyllenhaal is ugly. Okay.
Sibersk Esto
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I don't think it's fair to measure dicks here dicksplash
Discotheque
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Just hoping snyder's hard on for TDKR doesn't crutch batman's universe too much. Aside from the stylistic decisions.
Would much rather have Gordon than the commissioner in tdkr. Female Robin is all good tho, but hopefully other robins are not dead or some shit
Would much rather have Gordon than the commissioner in tdkr. Female Robin is all good tho, but hopefully other robins are not dead or some shit
lol and people said that it was a Robin costume, damnnn!!
Spike Spiegel
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Two of the five creative voices you named expressly drew inspiration from the first one for their mainstream depictions, as has Snyder clearly. And Dini, if recent stories and the Arkham games have been anything to go by, has fallen in with that lot as well. And Timm, well... correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bruce Wayne end up a miserable old man, all alone and waiting for death in a drafty manor until Terry showed up, much like Carrie did in TDKR? Oh, he had a dog.
My ego needed that, thank you.
Batman is a SERIOUS character, Penguin. His parents are DEAD. His sidekicks are DEAD (or paralyzed). He's such a tortured, painful, brooding soul; all the joy has been sucked out of his life by gunshots and crowbars, creating a black hole inside him that can never be filled by anything other than VENGEANCE and the NIGHT. That's what makes him such a badass, unstoppable engine of justice. Try to make a little light in that hole, turn that perpetual scowl rightside-up once in a while, and the entire world shatters.Penguin said:
Disappointed I was hoping for something DC related
So was Rises.
Discotheque
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Grayson batman was cool. Anyways levity from batman isn't necessary but I should hope Alfred and Robin is there for that to some degree then in this film
Kenzodielocke
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Batman said:
This is why Superman vs Batman is not silly at all.
Man, this thread...
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Yes, this. I'm not interested in one-note, super dark and gritty Bruce who's not allowed to have a full range of human emotion. And that ignores pretty much everyone in Bruce's life who's alive.
For all the shitty stuff that has happened, there's still a lot of good.
Although (Huge fucking spoilers for Batman v Superman)
If they kill Dick and he has no other kids, than yeah, I can see Bruce realistically just going off the deep end, because what saves him is being a father.
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