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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface

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Tence said:
Yeah I know you are not talking about biology, but that is the field the term race comes from and seems to be the field qualified to determine the meaning of the word.
It is a term that has been misused and abused and needs to die because it creates a distinction between people that isn't there.

Stating that there is only one human race does not mean you do not recognize ethnic diversities and the enormous discrimination and racism that runs rampant all around the world. Nor that it is a good idea to lie about your ethnic background.

Edit: Also race as a social construct is derived from the biological construct. People back then did think white, blacks, asians were different subspecies of the human species. Now they know they are not, so it is not stupid to say there is no such thing as different human races. It is the correct thing to say.
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This is just an exercise of pedantry. Race due to societal construction has moved beyond it's we're literally different species and is much more in line with ethnicity. The person I was replying to clearly was invoking that.
 
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Bo-Locks said:
I made one post pointing out the likeness of the arguments against transracialism with those made by people who are not particularly tolerant of transgender people, and this is apparently annoying and insulting.

You're clearly the one who is insecure and defensive about this similarity, not me.

I can trawl up the old post that I was referring to and you can judge the likeness for yourself.
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Regardless of any differences or similarities and whether or not there's a conversation to be had, this post makes me think that anyone discussing this will probably be without an account tomorrow.
 
Chariot said:
Are you kidding? Remember that time a white girl made herself box braids and was cyberbullied into never ever make herself that hairstyle again and a good chunk of GAF applauded the battle against "cultural appropriation"? That one.

No way a white woman genuinly wanting to be a black woman is going to be accepted.
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If you count the tumblr wackjobs you may as well count shit from 4chan. Just loud idiots on the fringe.

Skimming through that thread now, its disappointing its an issue for some posters. It's a fucking hairstyle, how was it hurting anyone.
 
Chief Chujo said:
If you count the tumblr wackjobs you may as well count shit from 4chan. Just loud idiots on the fringe.

Skimming through that thread now, its disappointing its an issue for some posters. It's a fucking hairstyle, how was it hurting anyone.
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I don't usually care much for tumblr or twitter opinions, but it was the NeoGAF posts, some from users I respect, that really irritated me.
 
Madness said:
Obama has a black/African father from Kenya. He chose to self-identify as Black because he is black.
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I don't think it's that easy. "Because he's black"? He's mixed, technically he's just as white as black but if he self-identified as white that wouldn't be accepted by the vast majority in the west because of the lingering one drop rule.

There's a really interesting film by Mo Asumang, a mixed race german director/actress. Like Obama she had a white mother and a black father and in "Roots Germania" she explores her racial identity, how she's perceived by others, her family's history etc., it's obvious that in germany she's always perceived as black, she then travels to Africa to the village her father grew up in and she's very quickly identified as WHITE, they don't even consider her mixed, when she flat out asks them if she's black or white the reaction she get's is pretty much "White, duh!!!".
I think that really shows how much of a social construct "race" really is, Mo Asumang can be either or, her racial identity seems to depend mostly on the people around her, is her skin darker than the average she's obviously black, if it's lighter than the average she's just as obviously white according to the people she asked.

That said, a white woman pretending to be black, going so far as lying about her father is kinda nuts but I don't think she did it for malicious reasons and definitely not for monetary gain, aren't black females one of the most underpaid groups in america?
 
excelsiorlef said:
This is just an exercise of pedantry. Race due to societal construction has moved beyond it's we're literally different species and is much more in line with ethnicity. The person I was replying to clearly was invoking that.
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Except it has not for some, which this topic proves, considering people are actually comparing transsexuality with 'transracial'.
 
Dear people comparing this to trans folk. Knock it off right now. You are hurting both trans folk (and people of colour). This comparison has been used to discredit trans folk for ages and to see people using it seriously (and using as a means to be more progressive than thou) is fucking infuriating. You undermine trans rights with your stupid shit. Get that through your head you are hurting trans people. We don't need your kind of help so kindly fuck off

- A Trans Person

Tence said:
Except it has not for some, which this topic proves, considering people are actually comparing transsexuality with 'transracial'.
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Right and those people are racists of a different kind. I get the feeling we are mostly on the same page and are arguing semantics which honestly is boring.
 
epicnemesis said:
Why can't a white woman be a leader of the NAACP? She must have done a good enough job to become a leader in the first place.
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Considering she's been lying and pretending to be a black woman for the past decade, that's a pretty good reason why she was probably considered for the post. And that's beyond the issue. Others may disagree but you'd think a person of color would be better suited for an organization that is about advancing the rights of colored people.

But beyond all that, a lot of you are still purposely being obtuse. You just hate the fact you cannot do something. No, there has to be every excuse in the book as to why what this woman did should be allowed, even celebrated. Those saying she couldn't have done it for monetary gain, black women make less money. Can you not see the irony in a white woman pretending to be black and becoming the local leader of a visible minority organization? She's become the public face of the local chapter. She's giving speeches, she's appointed to mayor and policeman councils, all because she's falsely presented herself as someone she's not. She's literally taken the REAL ability of a woman of color, and in this case, a black woman, to do the same job.

In the end, she is white. She was born a white American woman to two white parents from Montana. She was raised white well into adulthood and who has now built a career out of falsely pretending to be black and gotten accolades for it. She wakes up white, puts on this 'costume' of blackface for her job, comes home and sleeps as a white woman. Nothing will ever change that fact.
 
So, have her friends, family and colleagues all been under the impression that this woman is an actual black person? I don't feel like that was really explained in the article in the OP. I mean, I find it hard to believe that "she's not black" is a revelation to anyone who knows her.

Also, my issue with this thread isn't the fact that I'm upset that a white person can't do a particular thing... It's the tone of this discussion. It's that I find it far-fetched to believe that she took on the identity of a black person intentionally for personal gain. Sure, she may have gained as a consequence, but I doubt that was the "plan." I've seen a lot of people say that "this is not a thing. You can't 'feel' black. This is mental illness." Fair enough, I can't say that I disagree, but the typical response I'd expect to mental illness wouldn't be to pile on with memes and jokes and shit.
 
excelsiorlef said:
Dear people comparing this to trans folk. Knock it off right now. You are hurting both trans folk (and people of colour). This comparison has been used to discredit trans folk for ages and to see people using it seriously (and using as a means to be more progressive than thou) is fucking infuriating. You undermine trans rights with your stupid shit. Get that through your head you are hurting trans people. We don't need your kind of help so kindly fuck off

- A Trans Person



Right and those people are racists of a different kind. I get the feeling we are mostly on the same page and are arguing semantics which honestly is boring.
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Really dislike the term people of colour, white is a colour.
 
Laughing Banana said:
And now you're accusing your fellow GAFers that posted here and find her action as silly/unacceptable as people that are willing/seeking to inflict harm to her. Or even worse perhaps, willing to inflict harm to the "lying Transgender people" since your rationale so far is the situation of her and Transgender people are the same, right?

Don't be ashamed now: quote the people in this thread, right here, that makes you genuinely worry about her safety. Name them. Bring them out in the open.
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To be fair, I don't think he was implying that anyone on Gaf would be dangerous. Just that if a tolerant place like this already reacts this negative less tolerant people might react much worse.
 
JustenP88 said:
So, have her friends, family and colleagues all been under the impression that this woman is an actual black person? I don't feel like that was really explained in the article in the OP. I mean, I find it hard to believe that "she's not black" is a revelation to anyone who knows her.
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Nah there are legit black people with the same complexion as her. Its hard to explain but she managed to obtain that permanent tan look. I mean she could pass for steph curry's sister in some of those pics. Once a black person detects a hint of black, you're on the team
 
I can't believe it. LOL at all the images in the thread, dead at some gifs. Now, about the more serious discussion:

EatinOlives said:
This isn't the way to show her passion about the black population. Being completely dishonest about her race and heritage is a betrayal on the people she's supposed to represent. And let's not kid ourselves, she did this because she thought she wouldn't get as far as she did in the NAACP if she "stayed" white.

"Look! I'm black just like you! I'm one of you! Nose earring, thick curly hair!" is extremely patronizing and offensive to the black community. And I'm sorry but there's no chance that she's anything but crazy. There's plenty of people who are passionate about a population or region without pretending they're from there.

Let's say I'm super passionate about veteran's affairs, supporting the troops, all that jazz. Then somewhere along the way I start to pretend to walk with a hobble, act like I have PTSD, and lied that I was deployed and got injured, and received a purple heart. The people who actually DID get deployed and suffered injuries would be absolutely livid, because there's no way I would do that if I didn't think it would get me places in my humanitarian career.
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BobbyRoberts said:
It's the level of dishonesty on display.

I don't quite get why this question's come up so many times in the thread, but if we're going to use the Caitlyn Jenner example. Everyone knew about Caitlyn before. Everyone had seen Caitlyn before. Caitlyn never made an attempt to hide what she was, and Caitlyn was very open about what was going on, and why she was doing it.

This woman lied about her heritage, lied about who her parents were, and used those lies to gain some semblance of political power while representing a race that wasn't hers. She knew she wasn't black, and still manipulated her way into a position of authority within that community.

So the big difference is dishonesty. And there is nothing about what she was trying to do that necessitated her dishonesty. She didn't have to pretend to be black to enjoy the things she enjoys, or to help advocate for the community she was a part of anyway. So not only was it unnecessary, it was dishonest. It was fraudulent.
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By reading the thread, I think I'm in this camp. Especially after reading her tweet about a black man marrying a white woman...when she actually IS a white woman married with a black man. As well as seeing some images of her, and how she looks like in her "black costume" (I can't even believe I'm typing this), with all the stereotypical traits. And yeah, by reading more about Caitlyn Jenners' story, I can't see how they can be compared. At all.
 
I can't wait for all the clever racists on the net to start spamming her picture whenever there's white people defending civil rights. Ugh.
 
SmokyDave said:
Regardless of any differences or similarities and whether or not there's a conversation to be had, this post makes me think that anyone discussing this will probably be without an account tomorrow.
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Good, because it's fucking ridiculous.

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This thread's real entertaining though, beyond that.
 
Laughing Banana said:
And now you're accusing your fellow GAFers that posted here and find her action as silly/unacceptable as people that are willing/seeking to inflict harm to her. Or even worse perhaps, willing to inflict harm to the "lying Transgender people" since your rationale so far is the situation of her and Transgender people are the same, right?

Don't be ashamed now: quote the people in this thread, right here, that makes you genuinely worry about her safety. Name them. Bring them out in the open.
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I'm not saying there are posts here on GAF that threaten her, I'm saying that GAF itself is at best unaccepting, so imagine what the response will be on, say, the darker corners of reddit.
 
Bo-Locks said:
I made one post pointing out the likeness of the arguments against transracialism with those made by people who are not particularly tolerant of transgender people, and this is apparently annoying and insulting.

You're clearly the one who is insecure and defensive about this similarity, not me.

I can trawl up the old post that I was referring to and you can judge the likeness for yourself.
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It's annoying and insulting because it is a bollocks comparison that is indeed annoying and insulting.
 
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Madness said:
Considering she's been lying and pretending to be a black woman for the past decade, that's a pretty good reason why she was probably considered for the post. And that's beyond the issue. Others may disagree but you'd think a person of color would be better suited for an organization that is about advancing the rights of colored people.

But beyond all that, a lot of you are still purposely being obtuse. You just hate the fact you cannot do something. No, there has to be every excuse in the book as to why what this woman did should be allowed, even celebrated. Those saying she couldn't have done it for monetary gain, black women make less money. Can you not see the irony in a white woman pretending to be black and becoming the local leader of a visible minority organization? She's become the public face of the local chapter. She's giving speeches, she's appointed to mayor and policeman councils, all because she's falsely presented herself as someone she's not. She's literally taken the REAL ability of a woman of color, and in this case, a black woman, to do the same job.

In the end, she is white. She was born a white American woman to two white parents from Montana. She was raised white well into adulthood and who has now built a career out of falsely pretending to be black and gotten accolades for it. She wakes up white, puts on this 'costume' of blackface for her job, comes home and sleeps as a white woman. Nothing will ever change that fact.
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The NAACP association has almost nothing to do with why this story is interesting.
 
I can tell this girl is white not because of her color of her skin, but because of the amazing defense of her bullshit actions in the same manner people do with murderous cops, #alllivesmatter people and diet racists. She gets the be black and also an army of devil's advocates that have the same superficial understanding of reality as hers.

epicnemesis said:
Why can't a white woman be a leader of the NAACP? She must have done a good enough job to become a leader in the first place.
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Who is saying a white woman cant be the leader? People are just saying that this particular woman shouldnt.
 
Dolezal added: “We’re all from the African continent.”
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Now we have someone invoking the 1% rule to its most extreme degree. I'm not even mad.


A hairstyle is a hairstyle.


What would make me mad is if she deliberately applied bronzing makeup. That's the only thing that would annoy me about her stance on what it means to be part of an ethnic group. Otherwise it's the same ol' I'm 1/8 Cherokee nonsense we've heard before but now applied to being from Africa. *shrugs*
 
It's weird. She was wrong to lie about her ethnicity, but she adopted black kids and seems interested in supporting the fight. This is something for the local community to decide. She needs to come clean, apologize to her constituents and see if they continue to support her.

We're not able to judge her fairly because all we know is this deception. But her local peeps will know best if she is a good person or not. It's a weird situation. PEACE.
 
I have no idea how I feel about this story.

My dad had an entire section of his family move to California and pass for white when he was growing up. I never in my lifetime thought I'd see someone, let alone a white person pretend and devote themselves this seriously to being black.

The more I read about her, the more I don't understand. I mean we're all speculating that she received racist threats that she herself planted, but that's based off the fact that this one big lie has now blown up, so we're assuming she's lied about everything? But there's no proof of that(That I can find).

Has she does positive things for the black community? It seems she has, but it's such a weird thing. I literally can't wrap my head around the entire thing.
 
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