Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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Captainbob
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I dont know if it has been discussed yet, but informations about Udon latest work "The Life and Death(s) of Charlie Nash" have been surfacing lately. Since this comic is part of SF5 advertising and deals with Nash reappearance I think we can safely assume it somewhat follows SF5 story.
Interesting summary from reddit r/Kappa user Twotecks (spoilers for the comic obviously) :
As if we needed more proof it seems to confirm that Nash was indeed brought back by the Illuminati, and interesting point, it seems he is not brainwashed and is willingly working with them.
It would also support the rumours that the game is dealing with the fall of Dictator and takes place before SF3.
Interesting summary from reddit r/Kappa user Twotecks (spoilers for the comic obviously) :
As if we needed more proof it seems to confirm that Nash was indeed brought back by the Illuminati, and interesting point, it seems he is not brainwashed and is willingly working with them.
It would also support the rumours that the game is dealing with the fall of Dictator and takes place before SF3.
Grimgrillz
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Has anyone received a beta code yet?
HORRORSHØW
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codes go out on the 20th i believe
Stone Ocean
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This is why you don't mash DP you scrub
At this point, I think the absence of Urien would be the only way the initial roster can disappoint me.
Not that I was ever any good with him because I could never get charge partitioning figured out, but he was still my fave 3s character. Plus an alternate costume where he's wearing his suit would seem certain.
Not that I was ever any good with him because I could never get charge partitioning figured out, but he was still my fave 3s character. Plus an alternate costume where he's wearing his suit would seem certain.
So pretty much guarantees that Urien will make it in
I don't think it does, tbh. Shadaloo could have very well been biding their time for a comeback during 3, and the clash between Gill's organization and the former could be the main storyline in V.
When I saw this character on screen at Comic Con, I thought this was, like, Evil Ryu or Akuma. But huh. I guess he really is a brand new character! Maybe it's Rachnid? He doesn't look to be "Main Villain" tier, so I don't think he's the unknown boss character, and I really doubt that's Laura.
KidA Seven
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Geminosity
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I'd personally prefer Karin as the reveal because the announced characters so far, if we include Maori-kun, would be 6 men and 2 women. Karin as the 9th reveal would be a bit more balanced, plus she was the one all the top players mentioned when asked who they really wanted in
As someone mentioned in the thread earlier they could even tease her by just having a black screen or silhouette with her iconic haughty laugh playing :3
I like that Nash isn't brainwashed. Makes it a lot more interesting. It's going to be really cool seeing both Shadaloo and the Illuminati play a role in the so-called improved story mode.
I have a question about the lore. If Urien is with what I assume to be Gill's secretary, then does that imply that he took over the organization? Wouldn't that make it take place after SF3? Maybe I'm speculating too much into the secretary part.
I have a question about the lore. If Urien is with what I assume to be Gill's secretary, then does that imply that he took over the organization? Wouldn't that make it take place after SF3? Maybe I'm speculating too much into the secretary part.
The comic shows Urien and Gill talking to Nash as allies, but they are enemies in 3s after Urien betrays the Illuminati. Plus Gill should be defeated anyway if this was after 3s. I'm pretty sure Ken Bogard said it takes place before 3 and deals with the fall of Shadaloo anyway. This seems to support that, rather than not.
I'm convinced Karin will be saved for TGS.
Tizoc
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Assuming they didn't retcon 3S yet, no Urien is still under Gill and is just bidding his time by just doing what Gill and the org. command him to do.
Yeah I just saw that Gill appears in the comic. I thought it just had Urien.
IntelliHeath
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Ever since Nash's announcement trailer, it's really no brainer that Urien would be in the game.
Yeah, that's cool thing about the story plot. I'm curious if Capcom is going to make that plot canon.
Yeah, that's cool thing about the story plot. I'm curious if Capcom is going to make that plot canon.
Man, I hope so.
Geminosity
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Fair point. Then again, if Mika is in, when would she be best revealed? Despite being popular in polls I doubt she's generate the same hype as Karin at something like EVO so perhaps the pigtailed wrestler in blue would be more likely at TGS?
pls for the love of god
Well, Urien's on the only surviving leak list outside of KB's so far and Siliconera also said he was in sooooo... his chances are pretty good I'd say
Stone Ocean
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If Mika and Karin are a thing it's likely they'll be revealed together at TGSFair point. Then again, if Mika is in, when would she be best revealed? Despite being popular in polls I doubt she's generate the same hype as Karin at something like EVO so perhaps the pigtailed wrestler in blue would be more likely at TGS?
I don't think it's that cut and dry. He threatens to kill Chun-Li if she "gets in his way" again in his win quote against her. Seems like he would have no reason to kill an innocent person, let alone a police officer who shares a similar goal in stopping Bison.
Hell even Urien in SF3 faced Chun-Li with no intention of actually killing her.
It's certainly possible he's maintained free will and has been twisted by his thirst for vengeance, but who knows.
Not necessarily. Gill was never defeated during SF3, as per the unofficial guide that has compiled what little plot there is in the SF series;
On Urien:
On Gill:
On the whereabouts of Shadaloo and other SF2 characters:
Of course, all of the above is moot if Ken Bogard confirmed when V is taking place.
Tizoc
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Man...that guide...needed some better frikkin' grammar or translation cuz immediate translation of the Japanese text into english hurts my brain cells.
Write it as a proper english sentence not what it means in Japane please @_@
We don't know yet. Signs are pointing to pre-3S though.
it seems like they wiped his memory + pulled some inception shit on him
First time I've read this, thanks! Looks like this is pretty much the direction SFV is going in. Urien pretty much seems confirm then.
Bobby Roberts
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16 years since Third Strike, and we're still pre-Third Strike.
Only took Fast & Furious 9 years to catch up to itself.
it makes sense to bridge and fill in the story stuff that takes place between and around SF3 + SF4 before pushing the time line. Clean up some old lore before moving on to something new and in the future with SF6?
Geminosity
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Possibly. Interestingly, the only two female characters revealed so far have always been unveiled as part of a two-person reveal and always with a male character, but twice isn't really much of a pattern to go off of admittedly :3
Considering they unveiled Birdie and Cammy together and the only thing connecting the two is that they're both UK fighters I'm not sure how fussed they are about pairing up reveals based on relevance to each other
I agree, I would love the story to take place after 3S. If the finished game does indeed take place before 3S then I assume Capcom just wants to retcon the SF3 storyline entirely.
I guess SF4 retconning Bison's death pushes Capcom to explain the relative powerscale of the Illuminati vs Shadowloo and Bison. The only weird thing about setting this before SF3 is that the only boss options can be Urien or Gill, and we've already had three games with them. Gill is also not a very well designed boss imo. He may be extremely powerful, but he's not intimidating nor imposing in appearance.
Then who is? He's Street Fighter's best boss in my opinion.
He's not even the primary antagonist of the franchise anymore. That would be Akuma.
Which is a shame as Akuma is boring as a boss, I guess Shin Akuma woul fit the bill. But he's....Oni now *shudders*
Oni is non-cannon. Shin Akuma is just a recolored Akuma with more powerful moves (Akuma is already consistently more powerful than just about anybody). I think there's better lore and more character development involved in the Ryu/Akuma plot than there is in the increasingly dumb Shadaloo plot-line.
They should just move on which is even better.
Move on from 20 year old, unfinished plot-lines?
The last time they tried to move on from their characters and storylines, the idea was not well received.
RESURRECTION!
Yeah, I would hate to fight that cheap jack ass again, just on the fact that he can restore his health without a hitch.
Well, Akuma can't be a primary antagonist if Ryu isn't the central plot character right? He's not an overarching manipulative evil who threatens to control or destroy the world. He just wants to fight strong opponents, few of which he considers worthy to fight to the death or expose his true power to.
There have only been two worthwhile bosses/villains in SF's history, and that's Bison and Gill. Seth doesn't count because he's basically cannon fodder storyline wise.
The SF3 storyline has shown that there are people walking the earth that are of an obscene power level outside of and, for the most part, above Bison's (Akuma, Oro, Gill and maybe Urien). I think Capcom could always invent a new villain that could be more powerful than Gill and it can make sense storyline wise. Oro and Akuma are both more powerful than Gill afaik (sans the ability to resurrect from death). If these two guys are so obscenely powerful then there can most definitely be others.
This may be cliche, but I wouldn't mind Capcom inventing a new storyline where Ryu's estranged biological father or mother is a super powerful villain. They could use there existence to explain Ryu's enhanced affinity for the Hadou.
Emperor Bohe
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The only game where I would consider Akuma an antagonist would be SFA2, and even then he's only one to Ryu and (to a lesser extent) Ken. Bison definitely causes more shit as a terrorist, Akuma is just some dude that wants Ryu to reach his potential because he leaves everyone else alone.
Sf1 villain = none really, but Sagat was the dude to beat. Sagat wasn't evil, especially at this point. (Plot focused on Ryu)
SFA2 villain = None, but focused on Ryu's relationship with Akuma, but he wasn't really a villain/evil (Plot focused on Ryu)
SFA3 villain = Bison fucking up everyone's lives (Plot focused on Chun-Li, Nash, Cammy & Guile)
SF2 villain = Bison, (plot focused on Guile & Chun)
SF4 villain = Seth... who is a puppet of Bison's (Plot focused on... Abel, I guess?)
SF3 Double Impact: Gill, but like Akuma & Sagat he didn't really do much to fuck up peoples lives... just injured Alex mentor mainly (Plot focused on Alex)
SF3 3rd Stike: everyone was minding their own business (did this game even have a plot)
Sorry for wanting something different...?
Yep that's how I also see him. IIRC M.Bison has always been the main boss in the games.
"God's Beard!"
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what about rare akuma
KidA Seven
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Not really. There can be a powerful henchman of theirs that goes insane.
Probably not, not enough eyeballs on a friday, would distract from the USF4 tourney.
Basically another Seth...that would stink.
KidA Seven
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Seth was shit because his overall design was shit.
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