CambriaRising
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Well people really didn't like Zero's off-screen heel-turn into the ultimate baddie so there's that.
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Well people really didn't like Zero's off-screen heel-turn into the ultimate baddie so there's that.
MAX PAYMENT
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I have that one. I haven't used it yet.
snake_eater_raiden
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Guys, where is my Metal Gear? filled of emotions and awesome cutscenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpiWoUehjP0
Kojima sold us out.
and David Hayter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpiWoUehjP0
Kojima sold us out.
So, uhm, I was watching this random Quiet video and... what the fuck.
I like how there was an off-screen heel-turn into the ultimate baddie and then an off-screen heel-turn into Big Boss' friend again :>
James Scott
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This one? http://youtu.be/z2TeGbNIm-EI can't find Venom's cut tape anymore in youtube
Did Konami take it down?
Kenzodielocke
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It's pretty awesome. But he still don't uses those glasses in a sandstorm -.-
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The Patriots' most uninteresting aspect was delved into (their identities) but their actions and in-depth motivations remain a mystery. Which is the opposite of how MGS2 went about things.
Not really talking about the open world per se, but only about the weapon quantity and variety. Just like in MGS4, there are lots of stuff you can use, but you don't HAVE to use them.
I actually used Decoys just to see how they worked, but that was the only time. I never used them to actually get through a mission since the AI is easy to manipulate and fool anyways. I just tranq them and go through them no problem.
razzmahtazz
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Makes you wonder why those variety in lethal guns are still around. Maybe they're a Konami exec compromise "We need the COD audience to play this game, I want to see a lot of gun varieties cause that's why they like COD" or did they farm play data from 4 and people were actually using other guns?
BlastProcessing
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I am the complete opposite of disappointed. But that is probably because I didn't enter the game with such specific expectations.
I still honestly don't understand the Quiet final mission. If the parasites can't breed because she has no lungs how is she even a risk for spreading them, except them possibly mutating? Wouldn't they just die after a while, so after she spoke she could have just gone away and eventually came back?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The Patriots are an Illuminati stand in. That's all that are; secret society that controls all the things.
Yeah thats the one.
Thank you
Also, has anyone commented in the MSX tape in the Truth Cutscene? It's the exact same noise from the Hidden tape in Ground Zeroes.
Were we watching that during the moments before the final battle in Metal Gear 1?
I don't think a lot of people in here love or hate the ending. I get the feeling it's a big "whatever". I found the ending to be a cheap and a poorly executed rehash of what MGS2 did.
Shanks D Zoro
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i never got that impression.
Zero always idolised BB. He wanted him to be the icon for the world. But BB didn't want that and went off to do his thing. Zero wanted BB to come back to him and that is the whole point of the role of Paz in PW.
Zero saved BB after GZ because it was never his will for Skull Face to try and kill BB. Zero protected and arranged Venom to give BB a fighting chance, but knew they would be enemies, both trying to create the world of The Boss, once he awoke. I am sure that if Zero wasn't attacked he would have kept trying to get BB to come back with him.
I am sure the hatred was more on BB's part than on Zero's
"Legend? Legend is fiction, someone tells it, someone else remembers it, everybody passes it on"
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Yeah, pretty much. As soon as I read early impressions about how the game didn't really focus much on story or offered "closure", I went in with my expectations properly adjusted, and it's my GOTY so far.
She just realized she was with a fraud the whole time and needed to come up with an excuse to leave.
/s
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Holy shit sub-machine guns on the Skulls absolutely dominate. Extreme Metallic Archaea was piss. Once you get the CQC down, it's laughable.
Zabant
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You're right, like the entirety of MGSV.
Don't get me wrong, fun to play.
But TOTALLY inconsequential.
You could easily make a game about the patriots, how cool would it be to have a globe trotting adventure with BB and the radio team of MGS3?
Game involves various missions where BB infiltrates different countries and does different heinous things to threaten and cagoule them into obeying the patriots will and coming into the fold.
Kidnapping dictators daughters, sabotaging different countries nuclear power plants and threatening to blow them up if they don't comply. Now THAT would be a good example how BB really fell from grace, all under the pretence of 'the greater good' aka the boss' will.
Imagine how ground zeroes played, with lots of different & highly polished small areas to infiltrate, lots of bosses which are basically the top soldiers of each individual country.
You could even have it where the final vestiges of the Chinese philosophers have their own metal gear, and BB destroys it. It would finally explaining just what the fuck happened to that organisation, the Russians also.
Sumio Mondo
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You're talking about Zero as PW & MGSV established him, according to the events of MGS4, they had a big falling out [which we never see or hear about in either PW or MGSV] and it was Zero, Para-Medic & Sigint (DARPA Chief) vs BB, Ocelot & EVA for years and years. Of course, now according to MGSV, Zero and BB made up and Zero fell into a comatose state. Which means it doesn't really make much sense why BB gets Zero in MGS4 and kills him aside from putting an old friend out of his misery, I guess? The Metal Gear story post MGS3 is a joke anyway, so I don't know why I'm even bothering really. Metal Gear will always be MGS1-MGS3 and some cool spin offs like Ghost Babel, Rising and the AC!D games.
Kenzodielocke
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The game could've been that way, totally fine with that. But at that moment, the game should've switched to real Big Boss and see his downfall.
NoctisVsStar
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Idk why Kojima is so against giving people what they expected. Kojima be like " nah you already know how it ends instead I'm going to mindfuck you one last time just for the sake of it"
Yep, I'm with you there. It doesn't make any damn sense. She could just test how contagious she is with a random enemy, and if she's not - just go back to mother base. If she is contagious, just remove the vocal cords or wait for the parasites to die naturally. Whatever's, it's dumb.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
so how did real big boss wind up back in the usa military and given leadership of foxhound
Sumio Mondo
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You haven't heard all of the tapes? Zero goes to visit BB in the hospital.
Zabant
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It's subversion for the sake of subversion. Probably stems back to MGS1 when he wanted to make a new game but all the fans wanted was MGS2 and all Konami could see was the $$$$$ that MGS2 would bring.
He's still salty that he had to make only Metal Gear games for his entire life, so he took it out on the fans.
Roufianos
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How is Big Boss a legacy? What do you even really mean by that? Its not some mythical figure or ideology. Big Boss refers to a very specific and important person.
It's not just a title, it's Jack himself. There was only one Big Boss prior to this game and no other character in the MGS universe has even wanted to go by that name. It's not the name that carries importance but the man behind it.
Kojima knows how invested the fans are in this particular person which is why he gave us trailers presenting the Big Boss story that we've always wanted.
We'd much rather have that than some meta bullshit about the player being Big Boss and Kojima knows that. It's a very loud and clear "fuck you" to the fans and nothing else.
It's nothing more than Kojima stroking his ego and getting off on the fact that he's so daring and unexpected that he's fooled us again.
Why would I even want to be told that I'm Big Boss? I know for a fact that I'm not.
Why would Kojima even be thanking the fans anyway? This game started planning 5 years ago, long before it because clear that this was his last MGS game.
Kenzodielocke
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Nobody fucking knows , not even Joakim Mogren
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
that is what I have wondered.
Someone said to me the other day that with Signit and the AI's controlling the patriots it would make it easier to explain.
Maybe BB went to signit and they reached a deal, while BB still had his dreams of creating his outer heaven. Used the patriots to further his goal.
He had to kill him to stop the patriots AI iirc.
Think the mistake here is that everybody is waiting for this one big grand event that will make BB go mad or something forgetting that BB at this point has done enough to be considered evil by some. Almost seems cheesy at this point.
Shanks D Zoro
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yes, and i think it is stated at one point in the other tapes that Zero is doing it to give BB a fighting chance against Skull face, but once he awakes he is on his own and they will be against each other.
Zero wants BB to come back to his organisation. The hatred is more on BB's part.
Sumio Mondo
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Which is completely stupid, since why would the DARPA Chief be at Shadow Moses, was he asking to get captured by Ocelot and tortured to death, or something? If Sigint had effectively taken over after Zero enters his coma state, wouldn't he be best to stay out of harm's way?
So, uhm, I was watching this random Quiet video and... what the fuck.
random? u r 1 cheeky count
chapter 3 actual Big Boss story, $30konami'ed - out in 2016.
could make some people happy, or unhappy. still won't redeem this game though.
Shanks D Zoro
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Maybe he thought the patriots AI to be so big and powerful that he had nothing to fear.
it would give it some closure (hey guys final english strain) at least but you are right the story is trash, and there is no redeeming that.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
He didn't. The Patriot AI was flushed at that point. He killed Zero because of symbolic zero becomes one so we all return to zero but only if zero is erased the world only has room for one snake no it's better off without snakes i finally understand this is good isn't it
Was avoiding spoilers and such until I finished the game. Did 45 and lost Quiet forever. It killed my desire to go back and finish old content considering I used her 99% of the time.
The thing with zero is that everything went to shit the instant he fell into a coma. Everyone that he trusted before did a 180 like paramedic, so it wasn't completely his fault. Zero also attempts to apologize to Boss before getting fucked by skullface's oopsie, it's not like they were buddy buddy.
Yes, the game actively avoids the gap period where we all went "hey, he could have turned evil after Peace Walker!" and suddenly fills it with a guy who I have trouble believing went full on evil by MG1.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I still maintain the idea that an awesome premise for the game would have been:
Chapter 1: Play as Big Boss, build up your army, your base, your resources. Have the story and all that shit.
Chapter 2: You play as Solid Snake, taking down everything you've spent the first 40 hours building up.
Post-Credit Codec Call:
IT WAS VENOM ALL ALONG SNAKE. THE REAL BIG BOSS IS IN ZANZIBAR OR SOME SHIT.
Chapter 1: Play as Big Boss, build up your army, your base, your resources. Have the story and all that shit.
Chapter 2: You play as Solid Snake, taking down everything you've spent the first 40 hours building up.
Post-Credit Codec Call:
IT WAS VENOM ALL ALONG SNAKE. THE REAL BIG BOSS IS IN ZANZIBAR OR SOME SHIT.
I don't think theres any reason to believe he's blind
I don't think he's blind. He interacts with the world as if he can see perfectly. Maybe he just has CrAzY EyEs.
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